Taking a break after losing 14k in one day...

BrianGhattas

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I respect the OP’s honesty.

Let’s not stop at criticizing streamers. How about those nutcases in Vegas and elsewhere with their endless high stakes videos? I hate how they promote irresponsible gambling while titling their videos with the CAPS LOCK ON. These are grown adults acting like kids who play Minecraft and Fortnite all day. If I had my way, I’d ban their YT accounts.

I wonder what kind of lives AKAFUJI and her friend have away from a slot machine.
 

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With all due respect, anybody who streams and has banners and adverts for casinos popping up for fun along the way with.......ahem.............’exclusive’ bonuses in an attempt to ENCOURAGE people to gamble and sign up for their own financial gain, isn’t going to get any sympathy when they do their bollox. Especially when most weeks they can be seen jumping around like lunatics and living the dream on the casino grounds big win videos every week.

Tough shit pal and have a think about the path you are trying to lead people down. Could easily happen to them.

Still I’m sure you promote it ‘responsibly’ like all the other cretins. Who we all know couldn’t give a fuck if this sort of thing happened to one of their ‘customers’

Give me a break.
 

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Actually just had a quick look at Videoslots CPA, these must be the lowest in the industry, I'm sure it used to be 65 euro. To give a comparison, the lowest I've every promoted on a CPA for was £150 per customer (although it's rare I do CPA)

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Crikey! That's shocking! I don't do CPA's either but even my hybrids range from 50e lowest to 120e highest, average 80. This explains why in 4-odd years I have only ever had one payment from this programme.

They no longer have the excuse that they don't believe in spending too much on affiliates as they reward the players, given the RTP skimming they've done on their games since.
 

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Crikey! That's shocking! I don't do CPA's either but even my hybrids range from 50e lowest to 120e highest, average 80. This explains why in 4-odd years I have only ever had one payment from this programme.

They no longer have the excuse that they don't believe in spending too much on affiliates as they reward the players, given the RTP skimming they've done on their games since.
can you imagine though, who the hell would give any position, let alone a prime position, for 5 euro per player hahaha
 

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can you imagine though, who the hell would give any position, let alone a prime position, for 5 euro per player hahaha
It's not worth the bandwidth. The Bandit did actually show his measly VS earnings in one of his videos a while back. IIRC correctly he ended up taking home about 6% of GGR his players created that month.
 

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It's not worth the bandwidth. The Bandit did actually show his measly VS earnings in one of his videos a while back. IIRC correctly he ended up taking home about 6% of GGR his players created that month.
It's not even worth the time to put a banner up let alone anything else!
 

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When I was still drinking, and I had an especially bad evening where I drank so much that I did something really dumb, I would often "take a break." I always picked up another drink and went on another spree. Eventually I had enough and realized that I needed help, and I had to quit entirely. The original post reminded me of my behavior when I was still drinking. I'm grateful that gambling was never a compulsion for me, but I have nothing but sympathy for someone does have that compulsion.
 

Mouse75

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I think the mis-conception with bonus buys is that its a bonus. its not! Its simply a significantly higher slot spin than you would normally make. If its 100x your money can go up and down a hundred times faster and will be far far far more volatile. @ChopleyIOM has a youtube video where East Coast v West Coast ate a modest balance in minutes.
You are simply playing a slot game at 70 - 200x ( or greater) bigger stakes, so if you a happy min stakes better like me you bet 20p, and you win various amounts from 0x 0.1x, 0.2x and so on up to the 100x 500x and bigger wins.
A bonus buy reduces those lower hits - but they are still there and at the same time limits the higher wins. You aren't winning 1000x the BONUS buy amount that's for sure.

These are in place to increase spend and play through - THAT IS All. OP says he bought 60 - 70 bonus buys at 70x each. 65 x 70 is 4550 spins at base stake - at 500 spins an hour - thats 9 hours - in bonus buys 2-3 hours. Even if hitting RTP - you are just losing money faster and this is the only reason Bonus Buys exist.

To clarify - with some easy numbers
20p base spin 95% RTP
£20 Bonus buy 96% RTP 100x bonus by

On average you can do 500 spins an hour, or 25 bonus buys

500 x 0.2 - £100 - RTP £95 - £5 hourly profit for provider

25 x £20 - £500 - RTP £480 - £20 hourly profit for casino.

Even the higher RTP is just a con to trap the unwary.
 

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Hello again, and thank you for your responses.
Currently I have very limited Internet access, but as soon as I get home from mini-vacation, I will make sure I reply to everyone.
Take care!

Just one thing to mention, my betsizes almost never were higher than $1-$2 per spin, for over 3 years of streaming, and I almost never deposited more than $200-$300 per streaming session. And I'm not making any money from affiliation (I think I mentioned this is the video). And I kinda happy (sic!) that I lost in that session, because if I recovered my losses, that may have led me into thinking that I could do it again next time, potentially ending up in even more losses.
 

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Unless he gets a fee per video ? Why play at a lower RTP site if he is a gambling expert ?

There was a post by Rocknrolla on his TGC site that said he was offered ‘pay per video’ by 21 Casino who he always plays with , and asking if people would be ok with it if he agreed .

Maybe VS do the same ?
Link to that reply?
 

PMKFRUITPRO

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It wasn’t 21 casino it was that lot whom funnily enough chip started playing at shortly after.......

Can’t think why.........
 

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Hello again, and thank you for your responses.
Currently I have very limited Internet access, but as soon as I get home from mini-vacation, I will make sure I reply to everyone.
Take care!

Just one thing to mention, my betsizes almost never were higher than $1-$2 per spin, for over 3 years of streaming, and I almost never deposited more than $200-$300 per streaming session. And I'm not making any money from affiliation (I think I mentioned this is the video). And I kinda happy (sic!) that I lost in that session, because if I recovered my losses, that may have led me into thinking that I could do it again next time, potentially ending up in even more losses.
Glad you lost.

people like you are lower than low...

no sympathy at all, think your scum
 

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Meanwhile over on Letsgiveitaspin the 'party stream' has ended on a pooper, £30,000 of deposits for £10,000 of withdrawals

Including a €20,000 bonus hunt with 43 bonuses (not many bonus buys, €3 - €10 stakes) which only just managed to return half that!
 

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Glad you lost.

people like you are lower than low...

no sympathy at all, think your scum
WTF? You don't know Slotmonster, I do. He's a Meister Meeting participant and a long time member here. Really don't think that was appropriate. 14 day supsension. You should have known better.

If this happens again, it will be for good. Actually, it is for good. That was it. Adios.
 
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I'm sure @Playford7 will be here soon crying tears of purple piss on your behalf

He might of been a little egged on here like a schoolyard bully.

@SlotMonster, it sucks! Totally... I just wish you didn't wake up from your sleepless night and attempt to pass blame on the
legitimacy of the slot. It did what it was designed to do. The second video should be edited solely as a lesson video on your channel
to not encourage this type of behavior from the viewers who follow you.

You'll be slotting away, taking vape pulls when you bonus in no time. I've seen other streams from you and this was totally out of your
character. I'm sure you've learned your lesson and will influence others too.
 

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He might of been a little egged on here like a schoolyard bully.

@SlotMonster, it sucks! Totally... I just wish you didn't wake up from your sleepless night and attempt to pass blame on the
legitimacy of the slot. It did what it was designed to do. The second video should be edited solely as a lesson video on your channel
to not encourage this type of behavior from the viewers who follow you.


You'll be slotting away, taking vape pulls when you bonus in no time. I've seen other streams from you and this was totally out of your
character. I'm sure you've learned your lesson and will influence others too.
That's the whole point - although we don't know who, no doubt many viewers of this channel and the others have found themselves in exactly that rotten situation, only with no recourse to affiliate easy money to bail them out of their mess which would likely be much longer lasting.
 

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That's the whole point - although we don't know who, no doubt many viewers of this channel and the others have found themselves in exactly that rotten situation, only with no recourse to affiliate easy money to bail them out of their mess which would likely be much longer lasting.

Which is why he's getting swift kicks to the nuts from forum members.
 
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Rubs me the wrong way that someone who advertises gambling to other people think that the problem that caused the 14k loss will somehow magically be gone in two weeks.
Either you have no knowledge at all about how addiction works, or 14k is not alot of money to you.
And thats fair, its all relative to how much money one has how much a 14k loss would sting, for alot of people, losing that much would probably take them years to recover.
Yet, two weeks later, you will be back online, promoting the same "responsible gambling" as always as if nothing happened.


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Rubs me the wrong way that someone who advertises gambling to other people think that the problem that caused the 14k loss will somehow magically be gone in two weeks.
Either you have no knowledge at all about how addiction works, or 14k is not alot of money to you.
And thats fair, its all relative to how much money one has how much a 14k loss would sting, for alot of people, losing that much would probably take them years to recover.
Yet, two weeks later, you will be back online, promoting the same "responsible gambling" as always as if nothing happened.


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I understand your opinion, but like I mentioned in the video, I got used to all kinds of cold streaks, but this one was way out of line, i.e. happened too fast and too much money were lost. Normally I deposit $200-$300 per stream, so 14k loss in 2 hours is an immense amount compared to what I usually deposit. I also said it will at least 2 weeks break, even more if I still will not feel comfortable playing.

I know how gambling addiction works, otherwise I wouldn't be able to take a break, because if you've got an addiction, there is not way you can stop playing, and that's why it is called an addiction, i.e. something you have no control over.

14k is big money for anyone, but I was lucky enough to invest in BTC in 2015, but let's not discuss it here.
 

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Personally, I don’t think slots are random to begin with but that’s okay when your playing spin by spin because you can make a judgment and get out if it’s cold.

In effect bonus buying is like condescending for example 500 spins into one so getting £28 dead spins at £1 means you lose £28 but £28 dead spins at £500 a time is 14k. (Possibly not the best analysis but you get the gist).

I agree that there is no way that kind of thing should happen and if they were genuinely random the chances would be next to zero but they are not so anything is possible.

In the early days of playing online, I stayed on a slot a time or two, believing my luck should change. Each time, it did the opposite and got even worse. That was enough to persuade me that something within the programme is set to understand when someone is chasing and wins are somehow blocked off.

I hear people saying, impossible. Let’s remember nothing is impossible, quite the opposite, these programmers aren’t your run of the mill guys, they are the dogs dangly bits. Slots have been compensated since day 1, why would they be different now?
 

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I can not condone Ben's recent post but permanently banning one of the handful of consistent posters who produces responses to a site that is slowly getting even quieter is not really conducive to keeping a very niche and much less frequented website by your industry alive.
Especially when your core contributors are turning their backs on the very Countries that keep this industry and your forum alive due to mandatory rules and regulations imposed on them.
 
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snorky510238

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I thought it was just a two week ban?

P.S. A quick glance around and it seems it is permanent after all.
 
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I can not condone Ben's recent post but permanently banning one of the handful of consistent posters who produces responses to a site that is slowly getting even quieter is not really conducive to keeping a very niche and much less frequented website by your industry alive.
Especially when your core contributors are turning their backs on the very Countries that keep this industry and your forum alive due to mandatory rules and regulations imposed on them.
I’m new here and I totally agree, it seems talking about affiliation related issues is a very touchy subject and if your not onside your a gonna
 

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