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Suspense is killing me so gonna vent!

Discussion in 'The Attic' started by jshort, Dec 3, 2014.

    Dec 3, 2014
  1. jshort

    jshort Experienced Member MM PABaccred webmeister

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    Bus Driver
    Location:
    Canada
    I posted this in the "attic" because honestly I might regret writing this (I'm drunk too!) and figured not as many people come to this sub-forum. I'm not necessarily interested in any particular feedback.

    Okay so whats on my mind me........

    It's like this; I signed up to xxxx-casino. I registered through an affiliate portal (not casinomeister) which just so happens to have blacklisted
    all casinos that belong to a group which xxx-casino also happens to belong to. Stupid yes, but I was looking for another MG casino to bonus whore from and the affiliate site itself had its own ADDITIONAL incentives for those who clicked its link (fyi; the page I clicked the link didn't exactly have the words BLACKLISTED or "Not-recommended" posted anywhere and xxx-casino is an accred casino here at Casinomeister).

    Anyway got through the welcome bonus and profited a few hundred. They at first rejected my KYC docs, so I submitted newer ones (less than 3 months) and just to show I was a "good" customer, I deposited another $50 or so (no bonus, no promo incentives attached). Anyways, my docs were approved and I got my first withdrawal.......Yay.

    Afterwards, I made a couple more smaller deposits and lost each of them........THEN I suddenly started kicking their ass (ie I was winning)! In part thanks to their too-generous bonus offers (which only have x30 WR I might add) I made a withdrawal. Then I reversed withdrew and won again, hence I mad a second withdrawal. Then I "reverse-withdrew" and won AGAIN....And then it happened again (I won)....Not a crazy insane amount but more than $1000 total.....

    Now I'm waiting on 4 withdraws. Three of them I've been told have been recieved and I don't know what the heck their security team is looking for right now! The first one I made Thursday night! Now I'm just sitting here on my butt just waiting/hoping they don't confiscate my winnings and lock my account (which they have a surprisingly tendency to do to members who have signed up through this particular affiliate site).

    END OF STORY.......
     
  2. Dec 3, 2014
  3. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    Well post the name of the casino and we'll tell you if it's normal or not?
     
  4. Dec 3, 2014
  5. bigjohn

    bigjohn Meister Member MM PABnoaccred

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    Swimming Pool Serviceman
    Location:
    Northeast Coastal USA
    Well, I gotta say I'm a little miffed that you signed up through another affiliate to a casino that is promoted and accredited here. There is enough information and contacts here that Bryan could easily run this site as a subscription site and he would have plenty of subscribers.

    This site is supported by players signing up through the links provided here.

    What did you get from the other affiliate? A few shiny trinkets?

    And now you are worried that you might not get paid because of the reputation of the affiliate site you signed up through?

    I'm at a loss for any other words.
     
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  6. Dec 3, 2014
  7. Azzurri

    Azzurri Banned User

    Occupation:
    Non of your business
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    From Foil Land
    I think you're being a little unfair here.

    CM isn't the only place or forum around that members visit or contribute to (it is for me however), and whilst in this particular case it sounds like the op didn't particularly know the affiliate he signed through all that well, hence CM would have been a better option, I don't think we should feel at all obligated to only sign up to casinos via CM, as sometimes another affiliate may have a better offer, and be just as trustworthy as CM to that individual.

    Personally I have shared my business between here and The Pogg, with CM being better off only because I frequent the sites I signed up to through here more often (eg. Guts, Betat, Slotty etc), however whilst I appreciate the site very much, I don't feel like I owe CM my exclusive loyalty, as this site would still not be as great as it is, if it didn't have any dedicated members who take their time to contribute to it.

    Just my opinion, and something to think about from the other side of the spectrum, as Bryan would be doing just fine, and I don't think we need to make the op feel any worse than they already do. ;)
     
  8. Dec 3, 2014
  9. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    United Kingdom
    The affiliate can't be that bad since the casino is still prepared to do business with them in order to draw in new players. If they don't feel the affiliate is sending them good traffic, they should terminate the agreement. If anything, the casino is favouring this affiliate by allowing them to offer additional incentives for going through their site, which means they have an advantage over other affiliates when it comes to attracting players.
     
  10. Dec 3, 2014
  11. bigjohn

    bigjohn Meister Member MM PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Swimming Pool Serviceman
    Location:
    Northeast Coastal USA
    Does 'The Pogg' blacklist a casino and give you extra special offers for that casino?

    If 'The Pogg' had a reputation of players who signed up through them not getting paid would you use them? And then vent here?

    Look, jshort seems like a good guy and I sincerely hope he gets paid but in order to make the whole enterprise of on-line gaming better we all, especially those of us who know better, got to do our part not to support shady operations.

    AFAIK 'The Pogg' has a pretty good reputation and actively and publicly supports his players so that would be a good site to support as would any other affiliate that practices what they preach.
     
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  12. Dec 4, 2014
  13. P.V.

    P.V. Senior Member webmeister

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    Just so you know the attic isn't private like it used to be, anyone can read it.
     
  14. Dec 4, 2014
  15. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Bexhill on sea, England
    Bryan has said in the past that this is not how it works here. Even so, I have signed up to many casinos via this site as a show of support.

    Other affiliate sites do offer different things to CM, such as different sign-up offers and more information about bonuses, etc. So if a player appreciates that, then I don't see why the shouldn't use the other site to sign-up. (I admit I am a bit biased there ;))

    I would also love to know which casino we are talking about here, but that's up to the OP if he wants to reveal it or not.
    If they're Accredited, he should be safe however he signed-up.

    KK
     
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  16. Dec 4, 2014
  17. maphesto

    maphesto Ueber Meister CAG MM webmeister

    Location:
    Sweden
    I just had to look for some casino portals who have "blacklists" and still advertise the casinos they want players to avoid. :rolleyes:

    This is what I found:

    xxhttp://www.gamblinggrumbles.com/Casinos/Hall-of-Shame

    Several CM accredited Microgaming casinos are there.
    Gambling grumbles belong to the Gambling City Network and they are affiliates for those casinos they have in Hall of Shame. :rolleyes: I can understand if players use a 200% bonus when they use the link from Gambling City, but it's quite odd to advertise casinos you warn players for.

    Here's an old thread where this was discussed with webmasters from there:

    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46702

    @jshort:

    Correct portal?
     
  18. Dec 4, 2014
  19. bigjohn

    bigjohn Meister Member MM PABnoaccred

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    Northeast Coastal USA
    I thought he more said that is not the top priority here. There has to be some funding coming in from straight up affiliating activities. But I hear ya, nothing wrong with supporting the good guys.
     
  20. Dec 4, 2014
  21. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    United Kingdom

    I think Bryan receives income from a variety of sources. Affiliate income is just one, and another is advertising (only accredited casinos are allowed to advertise). He also owns GoneGambling. He does not rely on any one casino group to keep the site running, so no casino group is "too big to pitify" as seems to be the case at some other affiliate sites.

    If a casino is not accredited, then no amount of money will buy them a slot here. The only way in is to meet the standards, apply, and complete BBF successfully.
     
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  22. Dec 4, 2014
  23. jshort

    jshort Experienced Member MM PABaccred webmeister

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    Canada
    Yikes, good googling!

    I suspect this could be just an honest mistake with regards to giving a good review or listing one of their "hall of shame" casinos from Gambling Grumbles. Gambling City Network is otherwise a great place to go and I've found Graeme to be an awesome dude.

    I don't want to mention the specific casino I personally played at. I don't believe in underserved bad publicity, and truth be told even some of my fav casinos to play at have occasionally taken me more time than this to process withdraws. The only difference here is that this casino group owes me a large sum and also happens to be listed in GCN's hall-of-shame, but that alone is no reason to publically name them (more so as their accredited here).

    Speaking of the topic which BigJohn mentioned of "making the enterprise of online gambling better by signing up through a common link", perhaps the reason why a casino that is accred here at CM but is blacklisted elsewhere is because here at CM, there are enough players that sign up through the links here that would be willing to leave (or call them out) if a listed casino didn't behave. However this same casino might not behave nearly as well at other website portals because it knows it won't be hit as hard either financially or publically.......Just my two cents. I know the very best listed accred casinos here like 32Red or GUTS wouldn't behave this way at other less important portals, but the rest of them????

    ..................

    Anyway VYM and others mentioned CM wasn't an affiliate portal. Sorry if I'm calling CM something that it isn't. I'm not really interested in that though.
     
  24. Dec 4, 2014
  25. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Edmonton Canada
    Actually I think this is incorrect - the internet is a small place and most of the gambling community belong to multiple forums. If a Casinomeister accredited casino was behaving badly anywhere, it would get back to Bryan. If you noticed the failed BBF of the Reffiliates casinos just awhile back, that was because of something that was brought to light at another portal.

    That being said of course, there are plenty of reasons why some portals have blacklisted casinos when others don't. Some will blacklist casinos because the casino won't respond to inquiries, or they'll do a blanket blacklist of anyone using a specific software.
     
  26. Dec 4, 2014
  27. Azzurri

    Azzurri Banned User

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    From Foil Land
    You must live in a very big city. :lolup:
     
  28. Dec 4, 2014
  29. jshort

    jshort Experienced Member MM PABaccred webmeister

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    Bus Driver
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    Canada
    This was definitely one of the reasons in this case, yes. There were others, but don't wanna give too much away, less maphesto figures out which casino were talking about with his Jedi-googling skills!

    I noticed the failed BBF for Reffiliates too. Actually it was something of an eye opener for me.
     
  30. Dec 4, 2014
  31. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Edmonton Canada
    lol yeah you got me, that was kinda stupid - after all I have only seen about half of the internet so far. :oops: What I meant to say in my own clumsy way is that in the online gaming community, it wouldn't be long before any shenanigans by any casino would spread like wildfire.

    I think I already know which casino group it was, but if that's who, then you're pretty safe. Although if it's the group I'm thinking of, they have pretty strict anti-AP policies and also a limit to the signup bonuses you can take at their brands within a certain timeframe.
     

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