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Stupid Question

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by parkmyjag, Jan 20, 2005.

    Jan 20, 2005
  1. parkmyjag

    parkmyjag Dormant account

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    Planet Earth :)
    Hi,

    I am new here. I would like to ask a stupid question here if I can, does anyone on this forum make money playing on online casinos? If so, which games to you make it in? :)

    The reason I ask this is that I have been playing online for the last 3 months for fun money on various casinos. I have been doing ok, but as soon as I convert to real money I lose. Is it possible that when you play for free these online casinos work out what you are trying to do but let you win, and as soon as you play for real they clean you out?

    I have bought many systems and I have to see one, just ONE that wins consistently, whether in the short-term or long-term. :(

    I would really like some good advice on which game offers a good chance to win some real money, over these few months I have got the impression that the majority if not all lose to online casinos...am I wrong??

    Thanks,

    park
     
  2. Jan 20, 2005
  3. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    Your systems won't make any difference but you always have a good chance of winning, especially if you know how to play the games properly. It's only after a large volume of many thousands of plays will the casino be sure of being ahead of the players. Any individual player has a good chance of winning. These are the current poll results that members of my forum have answered to a similar question to your one.

    You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
  4. Jan 20, 2005
  5. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

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    Then you're seeing faces in the clouds. There are none.
     
  6. Jan 20, 2005
  7. Slotster!

    Slotster! I predict a riot. CAG

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    I'm defo down overall as a high risk slot junkie - but that's where the fun is for me. I sometimes spend a few days/month creeping back up on Blackjack, but I like the buzz of knowing the next spin might be a good few thousand, as opposed to 3/1 at best.

    I did reasonably well on roulette for a good while, but quit before it would've inevitably all got sucked back in!...

    Gotta be patient, determined and plenty of free time to do the blackjack thing and stand the best chance of finishing up!

    Pick a reputable casino, don't ever try to make a living out of it - and only play with money you can afford to lose. Stick with that and you won't go far wrong. You probably won't become a millionaire, but then again you might ;)
     
  8. Jan 20, 2005
  9. Vesuvio

    Vesuvio Dormant account

    Location:
    UK
    Nothing that personalised or time consuming, but would you make your free play casino slightly more forgiving to encourage players to play for real? - of course!

    There's a surprise. Logically/mathematically none of them can win in the long term on games where the odds are against you - except by getting people to buy them ;) There's a chance a system might exploit rigged on-line software, but you can be 99% sure that anyone trying to sell you one of these hasn't really cracked it.

    All games give you a chance of winning short term & will almost certainly lose you money in the long term... unless you combine low house edge games (blackjack, video poker etc.) with bonuses in which case you can turn the odds in your favour. It needs patience, discipline & can be very boring, so you'll have to decide if it's really for you. Think of it as a well paid part time job rather than gambling. If you just want to have fun then you have to expect to lose overall, but if you use some money management and set targets there's no reason you can't keep your potential losses down to a reasonable level for any form of entertainment.
     
  10. Jan 20, 2005
  11. Macgyver

    Macgyver Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    I think what parkmyjag meant to say was "I have YET to see one ..."

    It just makes more sense in the whole context of his post.
     
  12. Jan 20, 2005
  13. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator

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    What i make on Video Poker i lose in true Slotster fashion...on the slots. However my tip of the day - Double Bonus Video Poker on Cryptologic casinos like Intercasino or Littlewoods - 99.94% expected return with 0.1% cashback = 100.04% ER ;)

    Juts gets a bit boring after a while unless you've the bank for 10-play :)
     
  14. Jan 21, 2005
  15. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Mathematician by day, online gambler by night.
    Location:
    UK
    You should consider video poker. Royal flush usually pays 800 times your stake, which is comparable to many slots, but the house edge on video poker is much smaller than on slots.
     
  16. Jan 21, 2005
  17. mitch

    mitch Dormant account

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    I totally agree Vesuvio.

    I'm interested to know how you control the boredom factor.
    After two years I get no thrill from the process of internet betting. Far from a tingle of anticipation at the prospect of my next betting session I almost have to force myself to start as I am bored out of my tree by the whole process.

    It's only the money that makes me do it, the hourly rate is well in excess of my day job!

    I play blackjack nearly all the time, sometimes I play blackjack switch for interest but this takes me much longer to play through the WR. Gain in one way and lose in another!

    I play a progression system for a bit of interest and it gets my money down quicker but, of course, this tests the willpower somewhat and could be the start of a slippery slope.

    Have even considered playing some slots only bonuses but wonder whether it's worth the risk of getting hooked on the game the casinos love you to play.

    I play on a laptop in front of the TV but it's hard to become involved in a programme when you have to concentrate on playing BS.

    I have done autoplay occasionally but I feel too much of this will get you barred from bonuses thereby defeating the object somewhat!

    Any tricks of the trade you want to share Vesuvio or do you just put up with it for the sake of your financial wellbeing?

    Mitch

    "win don't gamble"
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2005
  18. Jan 21, 2005
  19. galimberti11

    galimberti11 Dormant account

    Location:
    Italy
    Your question is not stupid:
    i notice that some casino let you win great sum the first time you deposit and other seems to let you lose to have an advantage over you

    Then in the long run you lose.
    This is the basic concept.
    It happens also in landed casino, but there is more difficult to return like in online casino.
    It must be said that they can also control your game by their server!

    If you play Bj you have to avoid MG and Playtech and find some reputable casino to play. In my opinion there are only few.

    try to take an advantage by reaching monthly bonus without betting anything else during the month: this is very difficult, and it's not funny, but it's the only way to win.
     
  20. Jan 23, 2005
  21. Vesuvio

    Vesuvio Dormant account

    Location:
    UK
    Mitch,

    I feel the same way, but I don't really have any magic solution. I guess we just have to accept a little boredom in return for the extra cash!

    I tend to play more VP than BJ now as it's slightly less mind numbing. You're right, if you want to have any fun playing BJ you have to manufacture your own entertainment by upping the stakes or adopting weird and wonderful progressive systems. I'd never turn down the chance of using the autoplay, though you may be right that it makes you less likely to get a few extra bonuses.

    It's worth having a go at the MG slots-only offers as you should come out ahead overall (for once variance really is your friend - the total you can lose in lost deposits isn't that high & one or two good wins should cover it). I found it fun but not really addictive - you lose money and most of your deposits too quickly for that! Bizarrely the only casino game I think I'm in any danger of becoming addicted to is Let it Ride :what:
     
  22. Jan 23, 2005
  23. mitch

    mitch Dormant account

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    Cheers Vesuvio.
    I feel a slots session is just round the corner. :)

    Mitch
     
  24. Jan 23, 2005
  25. Slotster!

    Slotster! I predict a riot. CAG

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    Ah! You know it makes sense :thumbsup:
     
  26. Jan 23, 2005
  27. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I don't want to be boring by continually repeating myself :p , but I have made profit in 34 of the last 37 months by careful use (not abuse) of bonuses.
    So yes, some people here do regularly make profit from online casinos. :thumbsup:
    .

    You poor old sod! I couldn't even turn on the PC if it was boring!
    Repeating myself again, but I play very little Blackjack (it's rigged! ;) ) or Video Poker, but I still do very nicely, thank you, playing more exciting games like Stud, PaiGow, 3-card, and slots. I know the house edge is higher, but you only need a little run of good fortune to let you quit ahead, then switch to a different game.
    I used to play Let-it-Ride as well, but about the last 10 times I played it, it took the P like nothing on earth, so now I just can't face it! :(
    Tell you what, you give my games a try, and I promise I'll do a few bets over $20! ;)
     
  28. Jan 23, 2005
  29. vgyhnji

    vgyhnji Experienced Member

    'I am new here. I would like to ask a stupid question here if I can,

    Welcome to the forum parkmyjag - not a stupid question but you rarely get a straight answer!

    'does anyone on this forum make money playing on online casinos? If so, which games to you make it in?'

    I do - playing BJ only.

    'The reason I ask this is that I have been playing online for the last 3 months for fun money on various casinos. I have been doing ok, but as soon as I convert to real money I lose. Is it possible that when you play for free these online casinos work out what you are trying to do but let you win, and as soon as you play for real they clean you out?'

    No - not unless you subscribe to conspiracy theories (I don't). Some casino's use the same server/RNG generator to play the games for 'fun' as play for 'real money'. Some do not. If more players spent time and effort testing and recording the results for both 'fun' and 'real money' they might be surprised as to how many 'fun' sessions would put you off playing for real. No doubt there are and have been casino's who tweak the 'fun' games but they are probably well known for being rogues anyway and you would obviously be well advised to stay away.

    'I have bought many systems and I have to see one, just ONE that wins consistently, whether in the short-term or long-term.'

    You are more likely to be succesful if you invest your own time and energy into your own research to develop a strategy that works best for you. (I often liken this game to that of horse racing and the 'tips' that abound from there, most of the 'info' for sale is rubbish, (those really in the know will keep it to themselves for personal gain, or, those who sell their 'info' with genuine intent, are probably mis-informed themselves).

    My own systematic approach to winning consistently from online BJ is 'hopefully' somewhat unique, I dont win every single session but I win overall.

    'I would really like some good advice on which game offers a good chance to win some real money,'

    For me its BJ.

    'over these few months I have got the impression that the majority if not all lose to online casinos...am I wrong??'

    Not at all - you are quite correct - otherwise there would be no casinos left.

    Best of luck in your 'real money' gaming parkmyjag.
     
  30. Jan 24, 2005
  31. mitch

    mitch Dormant account

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    KK

    I downloaded a new casino today. They offered a 200% sticky bonus but didn't allow blackjack to be played until you had met the WR. I deposited $100 then bet $150 on my first ever hand of 3-card. Drew K,Q,10, played, dealer drew an Ace! $300 lost! :eek:

    So are you going to do a few hands over $20 now? :)

    Mitch
     
  32. Jan 24, 2005
  33. galimberti11

    galimberti11 Dormant account

    Location:
    Italy
    Hi mitch,
    i have seen one person playing at my table who were betting 100 eur per hand at bj.
    He first lose 200 eur and then win a hand. then dealer give him 2 aces: of couse he split and obtained 13 and 12 (dealer got 20 :what: ).
    Then he quit.
    Never, never play big hands online. Go to landed casino instead. This is my little personal opinion.
     
  34. Jan 26, 2005
  35. mitch

    mitch Dormant account

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    UK
    Well KK I played my second ever session of 3-card tonight.

    Inter Casino were offering a bonus of 30 if you played at least 400 on 3-card.
    Played for the bonus and won over 500 in the session.

    Obviously didn't play minimums, but illustrates how variance is your friend as often as it is your enemy!

    Still like the low house edge games better however.

    Mitch
     
  36. Jan 26, 2005
  37. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Oh c'mon! You gotta admit that 3-card session was more exciting than any Blackjack session at the same bet level!
    Yeah, it's a rollercoaster - but I love rollercoasters!

    WTG on a great win! :thumbsup:
    KK
     
  38. Jan 26, 2005
  39. oldman

    oldman Dormant account

    Location:
    New York, man :)
    Nobody has mentioned Vegasdude (Kim Larsen) and his chaos theory roulette beating strategy. Do you think it's useless..? :what:
     

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