Official Streamers, questions for an investigation?

maxd

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Any updates for this maxd? Should be interesting
Yeah, I've been a bit distracted with some issues on the home front. That's pretty much sorted now so back to business, and this is at the top of my priority list.
 

allang84

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You can always tell a 'straight' streamer. They will play at different casinos in cycle, using their own funds earned from affiliation and may or may not use a standard match bonus offered by the casino. The remuneration they get is from sign-ups for which they encourage viewers to visit their website and earn them commission. You tend to exhaust these sign-ups for any particular casino after a week or so, so they switch in order to maintain earnings.

If you see affiliate streamers exclusively playing at any one casino, then you can be sure there's some kind of alternative reward there not relating only to recruiting players, for the reason above. This could be bonus funds with limited cash-outs, simple fixed-fee sponsorship simply to play there which could well be using bonus/demo funds in order to guarantee the streamer earnings. The last alternative would be a small streamer deposit contribution and large bonuses normal players wouldn't be awarded, maybe balanced against the fixed fee if they win. Whichever, they don't do it for nothing.

As an affiliate that used to market on YT before they banned it all, I am telling you that promoting one single casino would never pay if you were solely relying on affiliate sign-ups, due to the diminishing returns, even if you do increase your subscribers. Call it 'NDP fatigue'.
This is how I know the Tw*t in the Hat (thanks @interlog :) ) and a few those examples mentioned above are simply unrealistic, unsustainable for both streamer and casino if it were straight, real money coming from the streamer's pocket. Bonuses or not.

I know industry professionals, long-time prosperous affiliates whose earnings would make most of us green with envy and if they spent every penny of what they made, plus more, they would never be able to play as those silly streaming channels represent to us. If you recall @ChopleyIOM worked out the cost of this kind of play over a year with the house edge of 4% and it was catastrophic. Unless you are James Dyson or Elon Musk, forget it.
Absolutely spot on!

This is how we all know streamers like AyeZee and Foss are not using their own funds.

Both stream from crypto casinos that only offers very little % of commision from each referred players bets.

They would need 100,000 regular depositors to play the stakes they do.
 

curremon

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Those yelling Beefguys.. Deposit 500 000$ RAW at stake... what the fuck is going on :D We have come faraway from the point where streamer deposits 500 with 200% bonus :D That just cant be real and everyone knows that....
 

curremon

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Seems like those stake etc casinos offer deals like this: Unlimited fills on account , streamer can keep 25% of winnings if he completes wagering.
Another one i heard about one streamer talking non gambling releated stream that if you have around 20k watchers regulary on your streams you get fucking 30k in hour :D
 

Spikie

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Seems like those stake etc casinos offer deals like this: Unlimited fills on account , streamer can keep 25% of winnings if he completes wagering.
Another one i heard about one streamer talking non gambling releated stream that if you have around 20k watchers regulary on your streams you get fucking 30k in hour :D
I can’t see how signups will cover the cost of these muppets
 

slotmaster

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Not a question so not really for this thread, but since I am looking to get back into poker I came across a site if you stream them they will give you a Rakeback deal based on the viewing hours and the number of viewers.
 

TheAddict

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Not a question so not really for this thread, but since I am looking to get back into poker I came across a site if you stream them they will give you a Rakeback deal based on the viewing hours and the number of viewers.
I'd of thought even with a very good rakeback deal that unless your name is literally Phil Helmuth (and you are playing cash tables, sorry Phil) it would be hard to find a big enough following to make it worthwhile. You'd also be showing anyone who plays there your entire hand history. Could always speak to Rosh who might be able to inform anyone interested of best way to achieve bots for extra viewers though :)

But if you do it, let me know what site, when you're live, and what table you're on.. ;)
 

sufferinsilence

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I'd of thought even with a very good rakeback deal that unless your name is literally Phil Helmuth (and you are playing cash tables, sorry Phil) it would be hard to find a big enough following to make it worthwhile. You'd also be showing anyone who plays there your entire hand history. Could always speak to Rosh who might be able to inform anyone interested of best way to achieve bots for extra viewers though :)

But if you do it, let me know what site, when you're live, and what table you're on.. ;)

Pokerstreams are usually with a delay of 10 minutes ;)
 

slotmaster

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I'd of thought even with a very good rakeback deal that unless your name is literally Phil Helmuth (and you are playing cash tables, sorry Phil) it would be hard to find a big enough following to make it worthwhile. You'd also be showing anyone who plays there your entire hand history. Could always speak to Rosh who might be able to inform anyone interested of best way to achieve bots for extra viewers though :)

But if you do it, let me know what site, when you're live, and what table you're on.. ;)
True, but as suffer in silence said, there is a delay you can enable. I can only stream on how not to play being away from poker for so long I don't even remember/know what the strategy is these days,lol.
 

Mouse75

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True, but as suffer in silence said, there is a delay you can enable. I can only stream on how not to play being away from poker for so long I don't even remember/know what the strategy is these days,lol.
I went back for a trial just on Sky Poker last month when I was on Holiday from work..... I did ok, about £280 profit in 4 days, but I found I just could not be bothered, and did not enjoy it at all. I used to play 30-40 hours a week, low stake tourneys only (max of a fiver) and my lifetime profits (across 14 years or so) were around the £40k mark - so I can clearly play a bit..
@slotmaster hope it works out for you, and may the poker gods be ever in your favour!
 

TheAddict

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True, but as suffer in silence said, there is a delay you can enable. I can only stream on how not to play being away from poker for so long I don't even remember/know what the strategy is these days,lol.

Know the feeling of being rusty lol. get a few beers to stoke the confidence ;) Was obviously just joking about the live part. Playing on tablet instead of PC is 10 timess worse too, cant make exact bets to the exact denomination that I want and cant write down insulting notes on anyone betfair app on a tablet is shit, utterly utterly shit ;)
 

slotmaster

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I went back for a trial just on Sky Poker last month when I was on Holiday from work..... I did ok, about £280 profit in 4 days, but I found I just could not be bothered, and did not enjoy it at all. I used to play 30-40 hours a week, low stake tourneys only (max of a fiver) and my lifetime profits (across 14 years or so) were around the £40k mark - so I can clearly play a bit..
@slotmaster hope it works out for you, and may the poker gods be ever in your favour!
I would be ecstatic with that in 4 days! LOL
 

Bunbu

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Simply follow some of them, write something in chat (fake, sponsored, scam etc...)- causing them to ban you immediately...then click request unban, and write something like this:

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After that just report it, and have big LOLs in future.
 
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