spamming an it isnt from Gonegambling an they have no idea

Casinomeister

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Fact: Bryan, was copied on the original email and several since. Why did Bryan not jump on this matter right away and respond to GoneGambling? Just a response saying that you would talk to the casino about it Bryan would have been enough. You didn't have the courtesy to respond and stop this matter from progressing further. For you to then post flippantly about hitting the delete button on spam shows a total disregard and lack of concern for the value of the GoneGambling name. The fact is that it was use of the GoneGambling name in the emails sent by the spammer that dragged GoneGambling into this in the first place. I have to wonder if you would have been so flippant had it been Casinomeisters name being abused in this way?

As you didn't respond to GoneGambling, and you apparently didn't alert Prime Casino that they should nip this in the bud before it blows up, what were you doing Bryan? You certainly weren't helping either party. Lack of action makes Casinomeister a bit of a toothless watchdog.
I just want to return to this for a moment since there seems to be some misunderstandings here.

Like I mentioned before, I received the copied on to emails late last week and over the weekend. Not a good time to get my attention since I have been swamped since my return from the CAC/Curacao. If I had been asked directly to take a look at the spam problem, I would have done it. If someone would have PAB'd about it - Max would have been on it. To rag on me for not taking action is a bit too much.

I was not being flippant when saying that you can just delete the spam mails. I get spam mails daily from myself touting pharmaceuticals (!?). There isn't much one can do about this since professional spammers move like the wind.

Jordan called me when he saw this thread on Monday - I believe no one had PMd him about this. He is the rep in this forum, not his casino support. That's when my attention was drawn to this, and I explained how some of these spammers work.

I think that to chastise me or this site because we're working on other issues is a little harsh. You have no idea what my workload is at the moment. This is why you have a forum to work some of these issues out. You have a number of very knowledgeable webmasters/players and casino reps to figure out what's going on. Please don't put people on the defensive by getting everyone all riled up. Thanks!
 

PrimeCasino

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Taking things too far - from every count!

This has gone too far already and any further posts would only further aggravate this situation.

Spam is a frustration, and sometimes unavoidable - and unfortunately this time it was our turn to take the brunt of someone using a popular portal (GoneGambling) name in the subject line of their spam, which was only later connected to us after swift movement by the spammer. This obviously got GG riled up and pissed off, as it does anyone on spam suggestion they need their "member" enlarged or discounted fragrances that attract the opposite sex.

Whether posting in this thread was worth being called a liar, it is yet to be seen. What I do know is that I have more than a couple of e-mails sent from my agent to the highest level at GoneGambling - all without response. I will in turn forward these to The Meister, so he is aware of the false accusation of being called a liar, as well as personally to GoneGambling management, as they may have been caught in their spam filters. :thumbsup: This does not remove responsibility for which I have stated the following:

As was previously posted by myself, this situation has been dealt with and there should be no further spam from any direction with any connection to Prime. Again, I cannot guarantee this, but would like to offer any new complaint to be forwarded directly to myself via mail or PM for immediate clarification and rectification.

Right now, resolving a hurt relationship is the top priority. This should never have got to this point, for which I apologize to everyone who has read or been involved here. I hope that we can all learn from this and set up direct communication lines as quick as possible for any reason necessary in the future.

Best regards,
 

PrimeCasino

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Communication, communication, communication...

After speaking to a more than friendly and helpful GoneGambling management earlier today, the prevailing issue was not the fact that spam had taken place, and even to a certain extant the fact that GoneGambling was mentioned (as terrible as it is for use as credibility), but the fact that communication between casino and affiliate was lacking.

I am sorry to say, as the front line representative of Prime, this getting to the point it did on assumption of communication from one of our agents. It is apparent that e-mail communication was attempted, but on non-receipt by GG, that is where it ended, from both sides, where personal numbers were available to each.

In the 2 batches of spam mail that were sent, the first including GG and the second not. Of the first I cannot find mention of Prime with the limited 1st mailer resources I have available, and everything I see/download points to RTG (I will not specify who). Where in the second instance it was clear and ban of account took place.

This issue is now dealt with, however, on finding further revealing info I will be sure to let everyone know. Any tabs to be taken by affiliate managers starting out - where it is too big to deal with, call your people on the phone in voice, or go to superiors who will do so for you.

Best regards,
 
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lauram

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just got this one
Luschenia Phillips ([email protected])
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Sent: April 17, 2008 5:37:01 AM
Reply-to: [email protected]
To: [email protected]

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Link Removed (invalid)

with about 10 others nicks are all alike with a bit of changes
 
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Casinomeister

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Admin Note - posting spam

When posting spam messages, please do not include live URLs. You can de-select this in "Additional Options" when posting. Thanks!
 

lauram

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ok sorry didnt know that will try and fig that out i see point or we all will be redirected to the evil ones lol

the weekend is here tomorrow gla hit it big
 

littlebit

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Jordon phoned John tonight and Jordon was very apologetic for what happened. Jordon informed John that the affiliate in question has had his affiliate account terminated. As far as GoneGambling is concerned this is satisfactory. It removes the incentive for the affiliate to continue spamming. At least until he signs up for affiliate accounts with different casinos - which it appears he had already done. Not all downloads may have been for Prime Casino, although as Vinylweatherman has shown, as he was brave enough to do a download, at least one was.

GoneGambling has "for now" declined Jordon's invitation to again promote Prime Casino. Jordon certainly said all the right things in his phone conversation. However, the problems and lack of response over the past week are still too vivid for GoneGambling to jump into bed again right away.

The one thing we all have in common on the Internet is a trust that people and businesses we deal with will do the right thing. Once trust has been broken, it's a very difficult thing to give or to get back. It's a pity that more people and businesses don't understand this fundamental basic.
 

RobWin

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Jordon phoned John tonight and Jordon was very apologetic for what happened. Jordon informed John that the affiliate in question has had his affiliate account terminated. As far as GoneGambling is concerned this is satisfactory. It removes the incentive for the affiliate to continue spamming. At least until he signs up for affiliate accounts with different casinos - which it appears he had already done. Not all downloads may have been for Prime Casino, although as Vinylweatherman has shown, as he was brave enough to do a download, at least one was.

GoneGambling has "for now" declined Jordon's invitation to again promote Prime Casino. Jordon certainly said all the right things in his phone conversation. However, the problems and lack of response over the past week are still too vivid for GoneGambling to jump into bed again right away.

The one thing we all have in common on the Internet is a trust that people and businesses we deal with will do the right thing. Once trust has been broken, it's a very difficult thing to give or to get back. It's a pity that more people and businesses don't understand this fundamental basic.

So why doesn't Jordon Expose this AH Spammer to the forum members with his known email address...would that not be only fair...Exposure I mean...Any affiliate caught doing this shit should be exposed...Jordon ???:what:
 

winbig

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I think it kinda sucks that casinos will keep and share a database of "bad" players, but affiliate programs won't maintain a similar list for rogue affiliates.
 

vinylweatherman

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Back Again?

The spammer is back again, promoting Euro Prime casino.

spam------------------------------------------------------------------

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2. Register a Real Money Account.

3. Make your first casino deposit by credit card, Neteller or Ukash and we will also DOUBLE it, up to 300.

4. Enjoy 280 games and huge Jackpots of 8 Million!

5. Then send an email to our support center with your account number and the subject line: 'Champions League Free'.



On the 11th May, we will have the draw and announce the winner on our website. Don't forget to look for your name!



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Click to play Euro Prime Casino: hxxxxxxp://www.silverstargambling.net



Good luck!



Euro Prime Casino Support Team.

endspam----------------------------------------------------------

This is not the $2400 bonus, so seems to rule out Gold VIP, and the Euro Prime site was a fake landing page for Prime Casino.

The above URL redirects to another URL, which itself refuses to load (something good then:D ). This means I cannot determine whether this is indeed Prime, or whether the Euro Prime landing page has a new victim (Jupiter Club perhaps:rolleyes:)

The sender is "play casino", and the spam is delivered by bombarding the BCC field with loads of recipients. I received TWO, both slightly different, to different named recipients (not me). This is clearly spam, rather than "marketing".

I wonder if the promo itself is genuine, as for the spam to work, the intended victim would have to get a promotion similar to that in the spam. The promotion is very specific, and should be easy to trace to the underlying promoter (if it actually exists).


EDIT.

Very easy to trace indeed:D Is this the same affiliate? We have to assume that Prime casino closed the original offending account, but it seems this is either an experienced and determined spammer, or Prime have TWO rogue spammy affiliates on the books now.

The point is, we know that "bad" players are detected by cutting edge technology, but are we protected from rogue affiliates in the same manner?

If this is the same affiliate, then we have to assume they have opened a duplicate account having had the first one axed. They must surely then have provided false details on this account, as surely the earlier details would have been put on a blacklist.

It is a shame I cannot get 100% confirmation due to the fake website not working, but this is pretty convincing circumstantial evidence that the intent of this spam is to generate sign-ups to Prime Casino through promoting their Football league draw, and their bonus of up to 300 credits, both of which feature in the spam, and clearly are promotions currently being run by Prime Casino.

The spammer (if the same one) perhaps thinks not using the GG domain to spoof the emails means we are less interested in shutting him down, but he is wrong, the damage has been done, and anything that appears to promote "Euro Prime" will be receiving my undivided attention, with the hope that this spammer will give up trying to spam reputable casinos, and go back to spamming the gutter operations that deserve him.
 

daera

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USA
Why is Prime casino even brought up?

If you download the setup file and run it from any of the above links that you've posted, you'll see that the setup file is for Gold VIP Club casino.

I was wondering the same thing. Why is Prime Casino brought up and where is that connection? I'm missing something I guess.
 

Casinomeister

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I was wondering the same thing. Why is Prime Casino brought up and where is that connection? I'm missing something I guess.
I believe it's because the spammer moves from one affiliate program to another keeping the spammy URL. The only way to fully shut these guys down is to have their domain server shut them down. Many of these are in China or other obscure places - good luck :rolleyes:
 

daera

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Well, bad news Meister................

Looks like the spam gremlins are sending out an email for a site promoting Belle Rock and guess what it says in the FROM: field of the mail?

Casino Meister

I checked the source code of the message and it clearly isn't from you. But they're trying to make it look like it is.

Spammers really suck!

~Daera

P.S. I have the mail if you want it. :)
 

vinylweatherman

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I believe it's because the spammer moves from one affiliate program to another keeping the spammy URL. The only way to fully shut these guys down is to have their domain server shut them down. Many of these are in China or other obscure places - good luck :rolleyes:

I have to disagree somewhat. The INDUSTRY could cooperate and blacklist the details of these affiliates who get caught spamming, making it harder and harder for them to move on to the next affiliate program. They could even ban whole countries (where the "untouchable" servers are), something they are happy to do when it comes to players.
This might create some false positives, but their could be a process where flagged affiliates have to provide extra information to convince the casinos they want to promote them ethically.
This is damaging the industry, and is not just a minor irritation to players. The most obvious damage is that 90% of my legitimate mailers from casinos get incorrectly flagged as spam by my ISP based filters, and this is up from less than 10% a couple of years ago.

It looks like the spammer has now switched to promoting "Play Casino". It looks like Prime, but I have not got conclusive proof (yet).
 

Casinomeister

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Well, bad news Meister................

Looks like the spam gremlins are sending out an email for a site promoting Belle Rock and guess what it says in the FROM: field of the mail?

Casino Meister

I checked the source code of the message and it clearly isn't from you. But they're trying to make it look like it is.

Spammers really suck!

~Daera

P.S. I have the mail if you want it. :)

Yeah, send it to me :rolleyes:
 
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