SoV creating their own laws after the first excuses don't hold up

VIP_Lounge_Mgr

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Dear Members,

I am very disappointed that I have to reply to this post again. This is getting very out of hand. This group, more than 10 players, have all been refunded and the issue is closed. We did not make up our own rules, they are posted clearly on the web sites. For anyone who would like to check, please do...

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In regards to martinbl's so called evidence...

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You see how that says Coupon Redeemed? That was a coupon that was used on his account, not a credit made by a rep. If any of you have ever played at any RTG casino, you will know that a manual credit made by one of us will show up as either Promo Credit Deposit or Manger Deposit. That is not the case. And, I would like to add, even if he did call and get one of our reps to make a mistake, that does not change the rules of the casino. Netherlands players are not allowed to take bonuses.

Also, everything he has said is well and good, but the information that you don't have is that this player is a Prism player, not a Slots of Vegas player. You see our system identifies which skin each of our players comes from. This player signed up and played in Prism Casino. Then, when this rule was brought up, he went through all of our web sites and found an old page that he could use for this dispute. This was not only underhanded, but it is not even being looked into because he is not a Slots of Vegas player and had only played in that skin after this dispute was made.

Now, in regards to this comment...

Now I understand. When you withdraw more than what you deposit you must defend the casino at all costs.

That was maybe a poor comment made by me, I will admit that. But, it is hard for me to understand a player that has had good experiences, been paid more than he has deposited, so quick to jump on the bandwagon and start bashing us. He already knows we pay! But, we do not pay players who have broken casino rules. You have to admit, doesn't really make sense for someone to yell "They don't pay!" when he already knows we do, right?

So, for everyone that is so eager to try to get this group paid, I am sorry, we cannot do it. You are getting duped by martinbl and he is using you to fight his battle. He has more than 10 other players in his group on standby. As soon as one exception is made, his whole group will jump in for the same. We do not make exceptions for players breaking casino rules. I have said that this decision is final and that is not going to change. Also, they have all been refunded. Why fight a battle for players that have lost nothing?

Oh, and Lanidar, since you are so interested in the staffing of our group, let me let you get you up to date...

At first Virtual had "Virtual Ted"!
Didn't last too long!
Then they recruited "Virtual Danny"!
Won't last too long!
Now, I'm hearing about Sam and Zach!
And now there is Chris!

Virtual Ted worked with our group three years ago for a couple of months. You were right about him, he is no longer with us. But, Danny has been here for 5 years. I have been here since Virtual Ted was still here (3 years). Sam is still with us and Zach was a 20yr old customer service rep, not a manager. For the record, the only people on that list who aren't still with us are Ted and Zach (and only one of them was a manager). Just so you know.

It has been educational. I have tried to be fair and part of this forum when I can. I have even paid players quickly with reasonable disputes in the past. This dispute however has opened my eyes as to how this works and it will be my last post on this forum. I have read my first post on this issue, and re-read it, and believe that it was very clear and to the point. It explained the rules broken, our position, and why this group has been refunded. I have been nothing but attacked since. It is not for lack of "balls" that I will not be back. But, I am not going to get anything done here, ever. You have overlooked reason and the only "acceptable" result of any post in this forum is for players to be paid, whether they broke the rules or not. I was wrong before I even said anything. The only way I would have come out of this well is if we would have paid these players, and that will not happen. No matter what is said here, they broke several casino rules and their deposits have already been refunded. They will not be rewarded for this attack. With us, the issue is closed.

Thank you,

Chris
VIP Lounge, Prism and Slots of Vegas Manager

P.S. Here is a chat transcript I had with a player in Slots of Vegas the 4th. This will help describe the type of things we deal with here on a regular basis. These groups, when identified (some do slip through the cracks), we will be refunded. Took me a little while to find this...

info: Thank you for using our LiveChat Service. This is 'Samantha'. How can I help you?
thatank: hi
thatank: why was my withdrawal rejected?
Samantha: Hello
Samantha: Let me check
David: May I please have your login name?
info: There may be a problem communicating with Samantha. Please wait while your chat is transferred to another operator.
Samantha: Conversation transferred due to agent disconnect
info: Thank you for using our LiveChat Service. This is 'David'. How can I help you?
David: Welcome to the VIP Lounge Live Chat Service. How can I help you today?
thatank: hi
thatank: why was my withdrawal rejected?
David: May I please have your login name? Thatank is not in our database
thatank: let me double check
thatank: nicole
thatank: thatank99
thatank: is my nick name
thatank: thatank99
Chris: One moment.
Chris: Are you still with me?
David: Your withdrawal was denied because you have wagered $983.50 so far and need to wager $10,500.00 total.
thatank: that doesnt make sense
thatank: i deposited a second time
thatank: the wagering requirements dont carry over do they?
David: Let me double check
Chris: Hello sir.
Chris: This is Chris, the casino manager.
Chris: You still had money from the other deposit and bonus in your account.
Chris: You left on the tables so that we wouldn't see it when you made the deposit, but we could see it.
Chris: The wagering requirements for the deposit and bonus still apply.
thatank: nice catch
Chris: Thanks :)
Chris: We're pretty good at this.
thatank: lol I can see that
thatank: maybe somewhere else then
Chris: lol
Chris: Good luck with that :)
Chris: You gonna finish the playthrough on this one?
thatank: yea sure
thatank: whats the playthru?
thatank: and what games
thatank: what if I used another coupon on the second deposit
thatank: you wouldnt of seen it would u
Chris: No we would have.
Chris: Because we always check playthrough even if you don't take a bonus.
thatank: i see
Chris: We saw that you hadn't won anything on any of the games but somehow your balance jumped $400
thatank: does every casino know that?
Chris: We had to look into it further.
Chris: Maybe not, but I can some that you won't have a chance at with this one...
Chris: Cirrus
Chris: Cool Cat
Chris: Palace of Chance
Chris: Virtual
thatank: lol yea
Chris: Prism
Chris: Slots of Vegas
Chris: No, this is our group.
thatank: i took cirrus for 20k, it took them 7 months to pay
Chris: We all pay, and we don't take that long.
Chris: Really?
thatank: lol
thatank: cirrus
thatank: back with christine
Chris: Things have changed.
Chris: We are still fighting a pretty bad rep in a lot of these.
Chris: These kind of tricks don't help us, you know.
Chris: But, at least you were honest.
Chris: Some aren't.
thatank: yea
thatank: but I could take these offers and win on them
thatank: but there is so much more profit to be made elsewhere
Chris: Probably.
Chris: You get over on a lot of casinos with that trick?
thatank: anyways, I doubt you want a player like me anywhere near your group
thatank: no, i was just trying it for the first time
Chris: Sir, I don't think any casino does.
Chris: You are trying to cheat.
thatank: no i usually dont
thatank: i play with bonuses fair and square
David: Sorry, only the bonus
thatank: you saw what fortune lounge did
Chris: What's that?
thatank: didn't want to pay players that won there playing by the rules
Chris: We aren't like that.
Chris: We always pay.
thatank: yea you did pay me at least
Chris: Unfortunately, it is getting hard to keep a good rep.
Chris: A lot of people using tricks like this.
Chris: We catch em, but they all run straight to the forums.
thatank: ya
Chris: Unfortunately for them, we will stick it out.
thatank: i usually just play normally though
thatank: thats where ur problem is
thatank: you can stop a player from playing within your rules
Chris: Our problem?
Chris: You played normal and we paid you.
Chris: That is not a problem.
thatank: when you give offers that have a positive expectation
Chris: The problem is fighting the people when they don't.
Chris: Sir, the offers can all be won on.
Chris: Sometimes they even tip the odds in the players favor.
thatank: i never understood how you guys make money
thatank: there must me so many players that are crazy
Chris: But, not everybody plays perfect Blackjack.
Chris: No, how does Vegas make money?
Chris: Same way we do.
thatank: we'll they dont offer positive expectation offers for one
thatank: for example
thatank: when they find out that people can gain an advantage counting cards, they change the rules
Chris: No, sir.
thatank: you guys, dont seem to even care that much about us bonus abusers
thatank: you just keep on giving these crazy 300% bonuses
Chris: Sir, we identify players that we consider advantaged by their first or second deposit.
thatank: right
Chris: We restrict the bonuses for those players.
Chris: But, there are those players in every casino in the world playing with no bonuses.
thatank: but when you have players abusing your sign up bonus
thatank: 100 times
Chris: It isn't the bonus that changes the player class, it is the player class that changes the bonuses.
Chris: I go to casinos, land based, about once per week.
Chris: I never lose, and I win sometimes.
Chris: All without a bonus.
thatank: right, so you are saying that you have a lot of players to compensate for US
Chris: The reason I can do that is because I am happy walking out with my own money or $20 - $50 more.
Chris: I am not trying to get rich.
Chris: That is the same as you.
thatank: you see the difference between us, I never play without an advantage
Chris: And, neither of us should be getting bonuses... we don't need em.
thatank: i do this as a profesion
Chris: And that is why I have just restricted the bonuses you can take.
thatank: I stopped university to be able to do this
Chris: Because you are not a gambler.
Chris: You are a bonus hunter.
thatank: i make at least 100k a month
thatank: but what you dont realize Chris
Chris: Wow.
Chris: How is this Neteller thing gonna affect you?
thatank: is that there are so many places to make money at
thatank: neteller f****d me
thatank: there are other options anyways
thatank: and in the worst case scenario, I will move to europe
thatank: these are sacrifices i am willing to make
thatank: or should i say WE
thatank: i have 4 people working for me
thatank: i just want to give you some insight that this "bonus abuse" is more than what u think it is
Chris: I know it is.
Chris: Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who don't.
thatank: really
Chris: I am in the middle with a fight with a group from the Netherlands right now.
thatank: fortunately u mean
thatank: the difference between me and the rest of bonus abusers
Chris: It was okay, because they weren't allowed to take bonuses at the time they deposited and played.
Chris: They are still making my life miserable though on the boards.
thatank: yea
thatank: they are bad there i hear
thatank: I don't understand why they don't move
thatank: lol
Chris: lol
thatank: anyways, I won't be hitting your group
thatank: on any on my accounts
thatank: dont worry
thatank: you guys are my worst nightmare
Chris: Appreciate it.
Chris: Why's that?
thatank: i play some 80 casinos per day
thatank: i cant go fighting for withdrawals
thatank: there is no time
Chris: I told you... that is a problem of the past.
Chris: But, anyway.
Chris: I would rather you stayed away.
thatank: lol yea
thatank: can u give me some inside on why RTGs are taking a while to accept ecocard?
Chris: I don't have that info, sorry.
thatank: why dont u guys accept ecocard?
thatank: and btw can u put the money back in my casino account?
Chris: I think I put it back in already.
Chris: One sec.
Chris: It is all in your account.
Chris: Is there anything else I can help you with?
thatank: no ty


That should give you guys a good idea of the other side of this business. It is not just a pay everyone and don't ask questions type of business. There are a lot of things that must be looked at because this is a lot different than a land based casino. They can identify cheaters with camera's, security and tape. There is no"eye in the sky" here. We have to be more aware of a whole different type of cheating. Online changes the rules a lot, and not all players are what they say they are. It is unfortunate that you have all been so quick to blame us when we know this player who started this dispute to be part of a group just like the player described above. You should get all of the facts before being so quick to judge. Keep in mind, this is our job. We don't like to have things like this happen. Like I said in my previous post, it would be best for us if everyone followed the casino rules and we didn't have to look out for the players looking to take advantage of us.
 

lojo

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Chris, I take exception to 'all you guys' .

I Like Prism, your customer service has been, for me, top notch (but tell that guy not to call me on my mobile if he doesn't have a free chip in his hand, huh?)

I looked at the slots of vegas website yesterday and it asked me to please not download it if I am a Prism player.

I don't blame you for not participating here now, just like I thought it a good idea for FL to stay out of the fray; there are vipers and hyenas about.

Stand tall here though
. You have been discredited by not addressing complaints on this forum in real time. Hire somebody you trust to live on this forum, and make every damn complaint go away.

It's really simple, you are a crook or not. I tend to think Not

btw, PM me with an answer to whether RTG slots pay out differently if I bet twenty cents or a hundred dollars a throw, and if so, how can i work around it to make a fair game each throw please.

To anybody who wants to attack me for trying to reason here. Trust the process. I believe that if there is a wager that deserves to be paid, Prism Casino will pay it. The olive branch is mightier than than the pen or sword sometimes, hold one out:thumbsup:
 

lanidar

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lojo:
The olive branch is mightier than than the pen or sword sometimes, hold one out.
I will not attack you.
You are entitled to your opinion.
Now, MY opinion lies with the sword.

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VIP_Lounge_Mgr:
Oh, and Lanidar, since you are so interested in the staffing of our group, let me let you get you up to date...

Quote:
At first Virtual had "Virtual Ted"!
Didn't last too long!
Then they recruited "Virtual Danny"!
Won't last too long!
Now, I'm hearing about Sam and Zach!
And now there is Chris!

Virtual Ted worked with our group three years ago for a couple of months. You were right about him, he is no longer with us. But, Danny has been here for 5 years. I have been here since Virtual Ted was still here (3 years). Sam is still with us and Zach was a 20yr old customer service rep, not a manager. For the record, the only people on that list who aren't still with us are Ted and Zach (and only one of them was a manager). Just so you know.

Oh, and VIP_Lounge_Mgr...

1. From what I remember, and my mind is jello yet, Teddy Boy was there for more than three months.
2. So, Danny has been there for five years. I don't know how long Danny Boy is manager or what ever title he may have, but, he won't last long.
That was my point.
3. I never said Zach was a manager.
4. And where the hell did Sam come from? Did you people promise him $5.00 a day and pull him off the street?

Just so YOU know.

It will not make a difference if you are manager or you get dumped, this is not personal. I HATE Virtual with a bleeding passion that will not cease until you close the doors and lock them shut behind you.
Virtual has and will continue to lie to players, skirt the issues and attempt to BS the player with outrageous bonus's with unreal WR's and then not pay them their profits.
This so called group from The Netherlands is just a crock of sh*t that your PR people are using to attempt to get some sympathy.
Tell PR... bend over and shove it!
 

lojo

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That is a beautiful sword.

i am DNA danish
 

sdaddy

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VIP_Lounge_Mgr said:
This player signed up and played in Prism Casino. Then, when this rule was brought up, he went through all of our web sites and found an old page that he could use for this dispute. This was not only underhanded, but it is not even being looked into because he is not a Slots of Vegas player and had only played in that skin after this dispute was made.
Could the OP please respond to this?

Is it true that you only started playing at Slots of Vegas after this dispute started, as the manager claims? Did you not make your deposit and redeem the coupon at Slots of Vegas?
 

lanidar

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That is a beautiful sword.

The dictionary states:

a: An agency or instrument of destruction or combat
b: The use of force

Lanidar states:

The olive branch is for...
Sissy Mary's, gurlymen, wimps, pussys, weak, cant fight or is scared to do somthing bad.
Also known as The Virtual Group!
:lolup: :lolup: :lolup:
 

lojo

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If we get the cheaters and hyenas off their ass they will make good or not.

Peace and prosperity.

53 conflicts to go, anybody else here had satisfaction? Anybody got a legitimate bitch? If so did you try to work it out?

Why the :what: should I have to play devil's advocate here? What is really wrong with this forum that others aren't fearless enough to take the middle ground and give the other side of the story a chance? I'm :what:

Not recomended, rogue, or not there is a reason. I don't see these guys ripping anybody off. (I miss things, this is a big forum) I just think that if someone has a legitimate bitch, they should post it, and the freaking hyenas ought to stay out of the fray. Let it be settled mano a mano and if Chris doesn't come through, oh well, don't trust them with your money.

If RTG migrates to bodog, they'll never see my play, but that's another subject.

Looking at the Meister's reasons for 'throwing them back into the pit' i see more an issue of bumbling than rogue behaviour (Again I could be wrong, this is a big forum, but again AGAIN please publically post a legitimate bitch and disuade the peanut gallery)

The dynamic on the FL thread got under my skin, this thread is about to. This forum is not a democracy (thanks to the Meister's level head) it is a free exchange of ideas, moderated, and I get pissed beyond belief when the environment is hostile to casino reps. They are not the enemy, they are your partners in play.


Again again again if there is a legitimate bitch unresolved (and I don't mean nitpicky bonus crap) Please post it and let the cards fall as they may.

With respect to all,

lojo
 

Tester

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Welcome VIP_Lounge_Mgr:

Thanks for stepping here to explain the stuff for the forum members.
The guys over here are tough at times. But beleive me being here would only help your casino.

PS. I did not managed to read the whole thing yet. But I get angry when people here discredit casino operators a little too much.
 

chuchu59

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Hold on. I thought that RTG coupons should be requested before the deposits are made. From what is shown to us, the deposit of $100 was made about 8 minutes before coupon 310RJ1 was requested. Am I missing something here?
 

cynthial

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Hi Chuchu59,
CoolCat requires the coupon to be requested first while Prism requires it to be requested following deposit. I don't know about Slots of Vegas.
 

martinbl

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Could the OP please respond to this?

Is it true that you only started playing at Slots of Vegas after this dispute started, as the manager claims? Did you not make your deposit and redeem the coupon at Slots of Vegas?

*sigh*

The last time I played at Prism before I made the deposit at SoV 15-03 was 28-02, so I don't know why Chris even MAKES that kind of accusations, because HE can see that in my account and I have screenshots of it... (by the way, I lost)

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And hey, Chris CLAIMS that the "No Dutch people are allowed" rule was only effective since the first of MARCH so why would I even have HAD a dispute the 28 of FEBRUARI!!!

Man, I'm getting sooooo g*dd*mn sick of this sh*t, he just makes stuff like this up without ANY prove whatsoever and AGAIN I'M the one who has to prove he's just plain lying...

And hey Chris, it was YOU personally who claimed that you recognised all the Dutch bonus abusers, that group that as you claim I'm part of, by the bonuscode they all used and I then even SHOWED you I used another one, but hey, that's strange...
...You mention al types of bogus info (what do I have to do with bigmouthing players in your chat?!) but THAT was a part you did't even go into!

And first you mention I'm just plain lying about getting the bonus manually because it's just impossible, but just one sentence later you tell that even IF it happend, I should have followed the rules myself?!
HOW CAN SOMETHING THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE HAPPEN THEN?!?!

And then you still dare to point out the rules?
The rules weren't even effective when the bonus was given! You're own employees in the chat confirmed that (just read the d*mn chatlogs!!!), google cache confirms it, and even the guy who checked when I opened this topic confirmed it!
But wait, the whole world is against you including your own employees and a wallstreet giant like google is just manipulating the facts about your little casino so I can fool the people at casinomeister... Yeah right!

And last but not least, PLEASE, just PLEASE(!!!) get to know your own software before you make ridiculous accusations about me not getting the bonus given manualy!!!
Wait, I'll explain to you how claiming a bonus in YOUR SoV casino works:
- You FIRST request a bonus by using the bonuscode
- You deposit
- You get the bonus automaticly redeemned DIRECTLY!!! NOT 8 MINUTES LATER!!!!

So NO, you DON'T first deposit and then request and redeem it as you claim!
So why does it show up like that in my account? And why 8 minutes later?
YEAH! THAT'S RIGHT! BECAUSE IT WAS GIVEN TO ME MANUALY!!!

Ah, someone sent me a screenshot to prove my claims! Many Thanks!
B.t.w. Because he's afraid of getting his winnings voided with the same bogus reasons they scr*wed me with, the sender would like to stay anonymous...

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VIP_Lounge_Mgr

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You're making my job easier

Martin (or should I say Mariet?),

You just made my job a lot easier. After looking into your account, based on the information that you provided, and seeing that nothing you showed matched what was in your account (why are the images cut off?). So, I did a search for similar players. Guess what I found? Anther account that you opened with Slots of Vegas back in January!

Guess what else? Both account were opened from the same computer, same IP address... but the info doesn't quite match up. Let me show everyone here the correct information. I am sure no one will appreciate being misled here...

Slots of Vegas Acct:

Acct Name: marietbl
Name: Mariet B***huis
Street Address: De Imker 8
Email: [email protected]****.nl

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Prism Acct: martinbl (this is the account we are refunding)
Name: Martin B***huis
Street Address: De Iemker 8
Email: [email protected]****.nl

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I apologize for the line through the second attachement there. I had to match up screen shots in paint... that is why there is that slight gap in the line starting with 3/15/2007 6:05:49 PM. Sorry, it's the best I can do :(

I would like all of you to look at the correct shots of his account info above. If you look back at his, it is obviously missing a large amount of information. And mismatching information from two different accounts (those small changes are what make it possible to open multiple accounts, by the way), that was pretty clever, huh? The incorrect account information that he provided is what made me miss the multiple accounts. I am a little embarrassed, actually. I should have caught that.

I would also like to point out that in the first screen shot above... Do you see where it says "Player Class Changed" ? That is where he was blocked from taking bonuses on his Slots of Vegas account on 3/22/2007 6:07:26 PM. You will notice that the other account has the same message on 3/22/2007 6:05:32 PM. That is our computer automatically changing the player class of players from his country so that they cannot redeem bonus coupons. I told Brian I was setting that up, and that is your proof. Unfortunately, it only runs once an hour. So, if a player signs up from one of these countries, downloads, deposits and redeems a coupon all within a 1hr period, we may still miss them. We are making an effort to avoid these problems in the future though. You will also notice that the deposit, and bonus, we are discussing was made on 3/15/2007 6:05:49 PM. Not in February like this player claims.

Do you wonder why his screenshot doesn't show all of the information that is in his account history? Why it is cut off at the edges? You still trust him? Please assist me in shutting this issue down. There are a lot of good players on this forum, I know there are. Let's not let a few bad players tarnish the reputations of good casinos. It hurts us, but it hurts you too. You may miss out on some great experiences with some good casinos. These forums should not be a haven for bonus abusers and cheaters. That is the first thing we hear when we catch someone breaking casino rules... "I'm going to casinomeister!" I hope that we can all work together to resolve these issues correctly, and that we as casinos are given the opportunity to be listened to. There are a lot of you out there that know we pay and have had good experiences with us. How about a little help here??? lol :)

lojo - Thanks for stepping up. That took guts! :notworthy

Anyway, is this over now?

Chris
VIP Lounge, Prism and Slots of Vegas Manager

Last thing, you will probably notice that he was just approved yesterday. I had already refunded all of the Netherlands players, I thought. I looked into his account yesterday again when we were going over this dispute and noticed that he hadn't even ever requested his withdrawal. That is why I thought it was already refunded. I have been refunded so many of these players... Anyway, I approved the refund and will be sending it to him today. Just in case you were wondering.
 
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martinbl

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No what are you talking about Chris?!

Wow, my sister played at your casino also after I told her about you guys...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wtf is wrong with that?!
Ok, from what I know now about your tricks, it's kinda ironic so after all this cr*p and false accusations people might think I hate my sister, but what's your fucking point? As far as I know she never even played at your casino, I'm not here babysitter!

And why do you KEEP LYING about my account?!?!

So you looked at my posted screenshots and concluded that it was from a different account?
As I quote "After looking into your account, based on the information that you provided, and seeing that nothing you showed matched what was in your account (why are the images cut off?)."

Just quit the b*llsh*t you liar!

Wait, let's take all those screenshots:

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And now the complete shot of my account without the cut "images" (why the hell would it even mather if I cut of how you ripped my 750?!) but hey, here you go!

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Whoops, now how can that be Chris, all the screenshots I posted before, they all match my account!!! Now isn't that a surprise, you've been cought on yet another lie! :eek:

So for F*CKS sake, quit the bullshit, quit bothering me with your wining stories about complete strangers you meet in the that, quit bothering me with other peoples accounts, but just ANSWER to the lies you've been caught at.

Talking about that wining chat conversations; knowing your tricks you probably just made that shit up so you can act as the poor casino manager...

But hey, I'll make it easy on you, I'll just sum it all up:
- Why did your own employee in the chat admit on March 16th that it's stated nowhere on your SoV site that people from the Netherlands couldn't play bonusses?
- How is it possible that google cache also states that you're claim, that it was on your site from March 1st, is just plain lying.
- You first state thatALL the users from the group bonusabusers used 475HIGH. I used 310RJ1 so that would mean I'm not part of that group now wouldn't it.
- Why don't you know your own casino's bonus policy? (first requesting, then depositing and THEN the bonus is redeemed)
- How can you claim it's impossible that I got my bonus manually although I have screenshots that prove otherwise?

And last but not least:
WTF?!
WHY?!
HOW?!

HOW BY GODS NAME can you claim that I'm a bonus abuser when I never even won a thing?!?!
 

martinbl

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Oh, by the way, knowing your tricks by now about simply denying and lying about my account information: I'm willing to give my username and password to casinomeister so he can check for himself :D

But wait Chris, let me guess... If casinomeister confirms that ALL I said is true, you will simply say he's also lying, maybe mention all casino accounts the neighbour of his girlfriends uncle had in 1994 had and you will start wining again about how everyone is plotting against you guys :(
Booohooo Chris, it's not honest!

But you know what Chris, the only one caught lying numerous times is YOU!
And the only one who has a right to wine is ME!
Because not only am I the one who got screwed for $750

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...but also I am the one who keeps getting accused with no prove or arguments whatsoever
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lanidar

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martinbl:
Oh, by the way, knowing your tricks by now about simply denying and lying about my account information: I'm willing to give my username and password to casinomeister so he can check for himself

A few days ago, I have asked Casinomiester to jump in and help straighten this mess out. It seems as if he wants to remain neutral.
Maybe if you ask him and give him your info, he may then jump in and settle all this bull.
All this thread is doing is getting longer and no where fast.
Keep us up. :thumbsup:

Also, I don't give a fat rats ass what anyone says about The Virtual Group regarding "giving them a chance". They've had MORE than enough time to turn that leaf over and get on the right track.
I say... "BURN 'EM TO THE GROUND"!
 

martinbl

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Location
Netherlands - Enschede

I say... "BURN 'EM TO THE GROUND"!

Nah, burning them to the ground was not even my intention..

That I raise my voice now & then is in this topic, is because this is really frustrating... People who know me in real life KNOW that I never lie, so if I'm accused of lying almost everytime Chris posted I can get kinda angry...

What he simply doesn't understand is that 850 is a lot of money for me cause it's not that I'm real lucky at this casino stuff... Even the 100 dollar which I had to deposit to play the bonus is a lot of money...
And that's what I don't understand.. I can understand that casino's don't want people who rip them off or abuse them by hacks or something...

But I'm not a big player, I didn't have ANY problems before with casino's (probably because I lose more then I win ;) ) so I don't have a bad rep or something like that..
I never even won at their casino :what:

So that's what's real mindboggling to me... Why accuse me of being a casinoabuser if I never even one untill this time :(
I mean, I never one so I never got problems like this, but just that time that I have winnings, there's all kinds of problems and I get accused of all sorts of stuff...
 

lanidar

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Location
Avenel, New Jersey
Originally Posted by lanidar

I say... "BURN 'EM TO THE GROUND"!

I didn't mean it literally. But, just once in a while when my temper get hot...
Welllllll.... then, I say... "BURN 'EM TO THE GROUND"!


What he simply doesn't understand is that 850 is a lot of money for me cause it's not that I'm real lucky at this casino stuff... Even the 100 dollar which I had to deposit to play the bonus is a lot of money...

You and many, many others are the perfect target. You enjoy a game from time to time... you expect to get paid if you should happen to be lucky enough to win... and you don't have alot of money to waste. All you are hoping for is a win and some fun.
Then comes along a group like Virtual. They target the little guy then work him over with a ten pound sledge hammer.
Now, if this site was This Casino Sucks, I'd lay out a few choice four letter words to TRULY let these people know what I think of them.

I'm with ya martinbl... we may lose the battle but, we're going to win the war! :thumbsup:
 

Casinomeister

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Bierland
Admin note: chill out

Just an admin note for everyone to take a chill pill and calm down; it's no use flipping out over this. You guys can carry on at the sucks board with the burning the house down flaming swords stick it up your ass rampage - try to be mellow here. You've pretty much blown any chance of the casino reconsidering their position.

I thought it was common knowledge throughout Casinomeisterland that I was on vacation for the past two weeks up until today? When I have a chance, I'll review this thread to see if it's worth getting involved. Please note: if you choose to participate with these casinos, you are on your own. Most of you are smart enough to understand this. Also, I expect seasoned players to understand this and not bother me with PABs concerning these operations.
 

lanidar

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Location
Avenel, New Jersey
Casinomeister:
Just an admin note for everyone to take a chill pill and calm down; it's no use flipping out over this. You guys can carry on at the sucks board with the burning the house down flaming swords stick it up your ass rampage - try to be mellow here. You've pretty much blown any chance of the casino reconsidering their position.

I think you know from past issues, any past issues, that I am a flamboyant, descriptive poster.
I believe that strong, solid pictures sometimes can best describe personal feeling better than words.
I'm not looking to start any form of an argument with you....it is your board to run as you deem fit.

But, I doubt very, very much that "You've pretty much blown any chance of the casino reconsidering their position". More than once, Chris was extremely adamant regarding the fact that he was not going to pay martinbl come hell or high water. After following this thread very closely, I truly tend to believe that martinbl is not part this so called group from The Netherlands and that all he wants is his just due.
"I thought it was common knowledge throughout Casinomeisterland that I was on vacation for the past two weeks up until today?"

I wasn't sure....figured you were though.
What a way to come back from a vacation.
Nothing but aggravation.
Sorry about that. :oops:
 
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