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South African Players

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Catso, Mar 13, 2012.

    Mar 13, 2012
  1. Catso

    Catso Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Campaign Manager
    Location:
    South Africa
    Hi Guys,

    Nice to meet everyone, i have been registered for quite a while but never posted, but a awesome site.

    I am from South Africa, and it seems allot of casinos are not allowing South African players?

    Anyone know which casinos allow SA players?

    I used to play at Virgin Casino.

    I also used to work for a well known online casino group.

    thank you for your time and hope you all have a great day.
     
  2. Mar 13, 2012
  3. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    I think most casinos take South Africans!
    Certainly all RTGs & Rivals, and I would have thought MicroGaming and just about all others would be OK too.
    A awful lot of online casinos are actually run from South Africa!

    Welcome to the forum! :thumbsup:
    KK
     
  4. Mar 13, 2012
  5. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    You might find the following article from Casinomeister News useful:


    IS THE SOUTH AFRICAN BAN ON INTERNET GAMBLING EFFECTIVE?

    Plenty of options for South Africans despite government threats and High Court decisions

    Pessimists who saw last year's High Court decision that online gambling is presently illegal in South Africa as the death knell for the pastime in that country may have to think again; a basic survey of the South African market this week showed that there is still an abundance of online casinos offering action in South African Rand currency.

    Even the briefest search will unearth a plethora of information sites, all strongly supported by online casinos licensed in respectable jurisdictions like Alderney and Gibraltar and still accepting South African players.

    A typical example is You must register/login in order to see the link., which provides links to a slew of mainly Playtech powered internet casinos offering gambling in SA Rands and promotions for local players. Many of the casinos are well-established operations that have been active in the industry for years, with the owners presumably aware of developments in South Africa that make it a risky area to say the least.

    This could be especially tricky for publicly listed companies that profess to be focused on national regulated markets and dedicated to compliance, yet apparently do not apply the same rigour to licensee activities in South Africa.

    The South African authorities and politicians have been procrastinating for years on whether to regulate and license online gambling, despite extensive research studies, 'how to' visits to other countries, and most recently a government-tasked independent Commission that recommended the regulation route.

    But until such time as the politicians put a properly legislated system in place, the authorities regard the pastime as illegal and have warned players and operators alike of severe penalties and future disqualification from possible licence arrangements. They have also persuaded the country's banks to warn their credit card clients against online gambling, and have cautioned advertising media that internet gambling is an illegal activity (see previous InfoPowa reports).

    Yet prosecutions are rare, and recently the chief executive of the National Gambling Board, Baby Tyawa told the publication ITWeb that her organisation is "powerless to stop international online casinos illegally offering their services to South African punters, because the Internet is virtual and the board does not have any international jurisdiction."

    Ms. Tyawa went even further, commenting that the ban presented problems for her enforcers: “We are the first to accept it's an impossible mission,” she said.
    Proponents of online gambling hoped that a long-running case in the North Gauteng High Court last year would bring some sanity to the issue. Casino Enterprises, an online casino operator based in neighbouring Swaziland, argued that the point at which gambling took place was at the servers, which were outside South Africa and therefore enabled the company to accommodate South African punters for many years.

    However, the court found that gambling took place at the point of consumption i.e. the punter's computer, and was therefore illegal in terms of South African law, resulting in Casino Enterprises shutting down SA operations.

    Interestingly, the 'point of consumption' argument is one that the British government is following in its campaign to impose secondary licensing and taxation on offshore internet gambling operators, effectively negating one of the strongest defences deployed by such operators.

    For now, South Africa is off limits for all but limited sports betting, a fact recently recognised by Betfair which made an exit on February 14 this year and now blocks SA IP addresses. However, Tom Tuxworth, the company's public affairs manager, warned SA politicians that prohibition only drives would-be internet punters to offshore and unregulated websites.

    He also quoted numbers from H2 Gambling Capital and Gambling Compliance, indicating that online gambling in SA could generate Rands 6 billion in revenue and add an estimated Rands 1 billion in taxes to the state's coffers each year. Tuxworth opined that a realistic approach to internet gambling could give South Africa the opportunity to become a technology hub for a growing sector, and would create many skilled technology jobs, as well as other jobs in areas such as advertising.

    Betfair has reportedly applied for a traditional back-only sportsbook licence in the Western Cape under the present regulatory framework, which permits some licensing for sports betting companies.

    Ms.Tyawa told ITWeb that her officials could communicate with other regulators and seek their help in warning their licensees off the South African scene. If that has been done there is little evidence of cooperation, and online casinos licensed in Alderney, Gibraltar and other jurisdictions continue to access the SA market.

    Legislative experts have opined that South African legalisation is unlikely to come about for at least two years due to the traditionally plodding nature of lawmaking...but the political decisions will have to come first, and that could take some time, judging on past performance.

    For now, it seems that many South African online gamblers are prepared to accept the risk of prosecution...and there are plenty of offshore operators only too willing to defy the local laws and provide their services.
     
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  6. Mar 13, 2012
  7. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    I should also add that the latest information to hand is that a Department of Trade and Industry parliamentary committee has recently completed hearings on whether internet gambling should be regulated and licensed in South Africa, and the members have recommended to government that it should.

    Nevertheless, it could be another two years at least before the bureaucrats get their act together, assuming government finally makes a decision.
     
  8. Mar 13, 2012
  9. conker

    conker Super Moderator CAG MM webmeister

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    Location:
    UK
    I am not a player at PiggsPeak Casino, but I heard that they let players play in Rand and they have a full suite of Microgaming games. I am lucky that I live in the UK and am not forced to play at RTG or Rival casinos. I much prefer Microgaming or Playtech casinos, so that is why I mention it, but KK is right many RTG and Rival casinos will happily accept your business.
     
  10. Mar 13, 2012
  11. Catso

    Catso Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Campaign Manager
    Location:
    South Africa
    Hi Guys,

    Thanks for the reply,

    When i worked for a online casino, which is a Microgaming partner, they did accept SA players.

    Now None of the better Online casinos: ie:32red etc dont accept SA players :(

    And i am weary of the Playtech casinos etc.

    Apparently 3dice casino now accepts SA players so i might as well spend my money there ;)

    Thanks again for the replies.
     
  12. Mar 13, 2012
  13. Sandman

    Sandman Dormant account

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    SA players

    There are quite a few that accept SA players. I suppose a good start is looking through the accredited list?

    Which group did you used to work for?
     
  14. Mar 13, 2012
  15. Catso

    Catso Dormant account

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    Campaign Manager
    Location:
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    Hi Sandman,

    I worked for Vegas Partner Lounge :)
     
  16. Mar 14, 2012
  17. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
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    I would be surprised if Casino Enterprises (the operator of Piggs Peak et al) allowed any South African action after their long and bruising encounter in the Gauteng North High Court, in which the judgement went against them, resulting in their shutting down their SA-facing online casinos...this is covered in the Casinomeister News article quoted aove.
     

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