Your Input Please Source of Wealth poll

[Latina]

Never been asked, hence, can't contribute to the poll. Sorry

There is an option in the poll "I have never been asked......."

edited: Ops; just saw the posts after yours where the option was added just for you LOL xo

 

[dealer wins]

Just an observation. I was in Manchester this week and dropped in to the Grosvenor casino for a bit of evening BJ. (£2 table coming from London WTF, its £25 here) Anyway got chatting to the dealer and this player who was betting a total of £300 - £500 a hand on 2 boxes including the side bets.

Talked about ID etc and the Mr Big said he has been IDed, but never had to verify source of wealth or ever been asked about his level of play, even though he said he has won over £10000 on more than one occasion, and dropped " at least that over a bad week"


So it really is one rule for online, another for B&M casinos, where money laundering and fraud is much MUCH easier to commit.

Basically SOW is a complete load of BS

 

[Matti]

Just an observation. I was in Manchester this week and dropped in to the Grosvenor casino for a bit of evening BJ. (£2 table coming from London WTF, its £25 here) Anyway got chatting to the dealer and this player who was betting a total of £300 - £500 a hand on 2 boxes including the side bets.

Talked about ID etc and the Mr Big said he has been IDed, but never had to verify source of wealth or ever been asked about his level of play, even though he said he has won over £10000 on more than one occasion, and dropped " at least that over a bad week"


So it really is one rule for online, another for B&M casinos, where money laundering and fraud is much MUCH easier to commit.

Basically SOW is a complete load of BS

My opinion is that your are on the spot. UKGC have focused on foreign remote licenses and not on their old colleagues now working for private companies primarily in the B&M sector.

 

[ladyhammer]

Was asked at casumo - closed my account (I've provided my income , but it was not enough for them).

Basically it is makes industry worse, it is not a question. But in most cases it is requirements from authority, which some of brands (it seems) cant really understand, and just start ask everyone.

BR,

V.

Thats the reason I replaced my BMW by Mercedes. Went into BMW sales office some years ago (as usual wearing my Adidas track suit, nike shox shoes and my belt bag - the ones who know me in person are able to imagine) sales agent said "pre owned cars are sold other door entrance" fucked him by buying a brand new mercedes by cash money inside my plastic Aldi shopping bag right other side of the street and driving back to him inside of my new mercedes and telling him "this would have been your commission". never judge anyone by first view. bmw lost a high rolling customer and mercedes benz gained a loyal and maybe crazy new one, they never asked me about my income or why I prefer to wear track suits instead of formal business suits. its all about respect - what a funny question, sometimes a pand bottles collector earns more money than an office employee , 120 empty cans or bottles an hour at 25c each 10 hours a day or luck at gambling, does not matter, always stay as you are

 

[dealer wins]

Love that ladyhammer!!! And very wise advise to never judge a book by its cover!!!

 

[mac72]

Guess his SOW request will take a bit of working on

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[colinsunderland]

Guess his SOW request will take a bit of working on

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I really hate stuff like that. If the police have evidence of a crime, seize the ill gotten gains, and charge him. If not, get the evidence then seize it.

There is very little evidence needed for an order like this to be granted, pretty much a copper standing up and saying he suspects the accused to be involved in crime and charges 'may' follow is all thats needed.

 

[mac72]

I really hate stuff like that. If the police have evidence of a crime, seize the ill gotten gains, and charge him. If not, get the evidence then seize it.

There is very little evidence needed for an order like this to be granted, pretty much a copper standing up and saying he suspects the accused to be involved in crime and charges 'may' follow is all thats needed.

Very little indeed but the flip side of that is whats required to get a criminal conviction so i have no issue with it at all. Just remember what way things were before veronica guerin (which instigated CAB in Ireland and laid the framework for what we see now). Fellas used to be able to go to Dublin and rob the bank and then come straight up to Belfast and deposit those cash funds directly into another bank (in some instances the same "bank") and no questions could be asked. Depriving a criminal of his assets is the only real deterrent and there's not half enough of it done

 

[mack341]

I really hate stuff like that. If the police have evidence of a crime, seize the ill gotten gains, and charge him. If not, get the evidence then seize it.

There is very little evidence needed for an order like this to be granted, pretty much a copper standing up and saying he suspects the accused to be involved in crime and charges 'may' follow is all thats needed.

yes it's similar to the american system and a diminution of our legal tradition, a bit of a slippery slope. I'm all for the confiscation but there has to be evidence produced, I can't be bothered to read the whole case as the bloke's a pillock.

Edit: I've forced myself to read it and got the gist now, living on only £1,000 a week must be really difficult

 

[colinsunderland]

Very little indeed but the flip side of that is whats required to get a criminal conviction so i have no issue with it at all. Just remember what way things were before veronica guerin (which instigated CAB in Ireland and laid the framework for what we see now). Fellas used to be able to go to Dublin and rob the bank and then come straight up to Belfast and deposit those cash funds directly into another bank (in some instances the same "bank") and no questions could be asked. Depriving a criminal of his assets is the only real deterrent and there's not half enough of it done

I know, its so hard to get evidence these days

So basically what you are saying is, do away with the justice system and just punish who we want when we want, for no reason. Seems logical.

 

[mac72]

I know, its so hard to get evidence these days

So basically what you are saying is, do away with the justice system and just punish who we want when we want, for no reason. Seems logical.

Yes to me it is, the burden of proof under CAB is with the owner of the funds to show that they acquired them legally not vice versa for the authorities to prove they didn't. Makes it easier to crack down on and yes it is hard to get evidence and even harder to keep assets in place if they are not frozen like this otherwise they just get scattered to the four winds before trial.
Your tone is condescending something i've noticed from you lately , doesn't bother me just an observation but what is illogical is how you think this is doing away with the justice system?? This IS the criminal justice system , it is the law in this country and nobody is punishing whoever they want rather putting in place the necessary legislation to tackle those who lets face it they already know by their lifestyles are taking the piss.

 

[DreamRJ]

I have been asked at Rizk casino. Leovegas and VS.

Although Rizk Casino was just some tick boxes though. Twice about a few months apart.

Leovegas on the other hand wanted FULL bank statements and They would not process any withdraws until it was done either. But yet for some crazy reason they still allowed me to deposit and play. What is more is do you know how long it taken Leovegas to sort it out? 6 weeks. Yes that is correct. It taken them 6 weeks. When I first sent the email with the bank statements I even had the confirmation email back from them within 1 minute saying thanks for your documents we will process them as soon as possible. So I kept asking Live Chat, why has my SOW still not been done and they said they never received the email. I then proved it to them by sending them a screenshot of the 2 emails. The email I sent with the attachments in it and an email of the confirmation I got back from Leovegas. I stayed in live chat while they got that email. So they then said yes I see the email and the screenshots. They will send it to the relevant team to investigate and we will get back to you by email.

So then I left it another week. Went back to Live Chat again. And guess what, the same thing again the agent said exactly the same. So I again did it yet again. And this time I also sent them a chat transcript of the chat I had the week before as well with a different agent. That agent said We are so sorry for all of this inconvenience. I will now make sure to get this sorted for you once and for all.

So I left it then 2 more weeks as I still did not here anything back. Went back to live chat and this time they said that it still has not been approved. They did now know why or what the hold up was. But it was totally disgusting.

So then week 5 came, I had an email that said my SOW was finally approved. So in that 5 weeks I was unlucky anyway I still deposited like I said, they didn't block my account so I could still deposit, I just never had any luck so didn't manage a withdraw. So I then went on to win just short of 200 euro, My account is in euro at leovegas as I made the account before the UKGC was born. but anyway I requested the withdraw. Went to live chat to ask them to flush it like I do every-time I have a withdraw at leovegas and guess what they said? GUESS what they said???????????????????? We are sorry we can not process your withdrawal as your SOW has still not been completed and approved. AND I was fuming mad. So I then forwarded the confirmation email to the live chat agent in support. And I waited for him to receive it. And then he said yes I see it. The chat agent then said that is very strange as that email should not have even been sent out as your account it still shows SOW is not processed as of yet!!!!!!!!!!!! I was soo fuming at this point. So basically they was now refusing to also process my withdraw as well because I had an outstanding SOW that still was not done after 5 WEEKS. So I then kept going to live chat every day then until they sorted the whole mess out.

And at that point I also contacted the rep on CM. And luckily something worked. Not sure if the REP actually did something this time. But it was sorted. And then they even credited me a GOODWILL Which for Leovegas was RARE. as they never give me NOTHING.

So yeah Leovegas is a joke and a disgrace. Casinos should never ever be allowed to refuse to process withdraws for SOW. And it appears Leovegas use SOW as an excuse to not process withdraws.

Then VS asked me twice. The first time was some tick boxes. And all was fine for a month or 2. Second time It asked me in my documents section for some SOW. And that also said that deposits and withdraws can not be made until I complete the SOW. To which I contacted Dan on CM and Also Jonathan in loyalty. And it was Dan that contacted me sooner and sorted it out within an hour. And got rid of those requests and allowed me to deposit and withdraw again without providing them. But still I was a VIP customer and still am their. So maybe that was why they pulled some strings and excluded me perhaps? Who knows. But VS was totally correct in blocking deposits/withdraws I say withdraws here because they blocked Deposits as well. So that is fair they block all banking options in or out.

Casinos that do not block all banking options in or out for ID checks are not very good and not trustworthy in my opinion.

Sorry again for a long post. Just wanted to share another horror story of hell I went through with Leovegas casino.

 

[misstrouble]

I filled in I was never asked for SOW, but it happened now at Cashmio. What are normal review-times?

never had it and as I have a nice withdrawal awaiting approval, I'm curious.

 

[misstrouble]

I filled in I was never asked for SOW, but it happened now at Cashmio. What are normal review-times?

never had it and as I have a nice withdrawal awaiting approval, I'm curious.

I asked the casino rep/affiliate of cashimo about it on here, but no reply.

 

[misstrouble]

I filled in I was never asked for SOW, but it happened now at Cashmio. What are normal review-times?

never had it and as I have a nice withdrawal awaiting approval, I'm curious.

It's 24 hours later, reps said it would take up to 24 hours, still no verification of my docs. Chat says he is "really sorry" and will write to them again.

 

[Savvygamblers]

Never been asked and would never play at the casino again if I was. I know folks who do £100 a week on cigs and £100 a week on booze, do they get asked how they can afford that? Nope!

Surely you can have two people earning the same amount of money with entirely different circumstances too. It’s a step too far for me and I completely disagree with it, and no doubt this will only ever be asked at the pending withdrawal stage.

 

[MartiniMan]

Please excuse the late reply, been away. My answer was: I've never been asked and I am outside the EU/UK. That goes for intensive KYC too. I'm in neither country. While I'm happy to provide ID proof, of late I'm being asked for all manner of stuff, which really only seems relevant for EU and UK players.

Currently one such issue is from a CM certified casino. If I didn't have a pending withdrawal, I'd close the account and move on.

Yes I've made contact with the iRep

 

[Homosap]

Absolutely ludicrous legislation trying to force you to supply information you'd never normally share to casinos. The checks stages should all reside within the banking systems it's got feck all to do with casinos. I mean seriously, have a think about it, some online casino based offshore wants all your banking info in case of fraud. When this data already resides within the banking system and they have their own money laundering/fraud detection protocols.

On one level they're actually saying the banking systems are so corrupt/crap that we need to outsource part of their work to faceless nobodies in Malta, etc....really????

My answer is now that if you believe I'm engaged in nefarious activities then report me to the UK authorities and I will happily supply them with the data...but not you.

 

[Valhalla]

I've never been asked to provide my SOW from any casino so far, and can honestly say I'd be pissed off to say the least. I play 99% of the time at PokerStars though, and that is my main SOW (poker winnings) so would have no issue providing them with the information. Any other casino tho… if they want full unedited bank statements, I think I'd immediately close my account. It's none of their business :/

Is it something that is only being asked at the withdrawal stage?

 

[chris87]

I've never been asked to provide my SOW from any casino so far, and can honestly say I'd be pissed off to say the least. I play 99% of the time at PokerStars though, and that is my main SOW (poker winnings) so would have no issue providing them with the information. Any other casino tho… if they want full unedited bank statements, I think I'd immediately close my account. It's none of their business :/

Is it something that is only being asked at the withdrawal stage?

Can be asked for at any stage, but funnily enough it seems more common at withdrawal stage and SOW usually doesn't seem to be an issue when depositing! As you're in the UK it'll be coming your way at some point I'm afraid.

Chris

 

[colinsunderland]

I've never been asked to provide my SOW from any casino so far, and can honestly say I'd be pissed off to say the least. I play 99% of the time at PokerStars though, and that is my main SOW (poker winnings) so would have no issue providing them with the information. Any other casino tho… if they want full unedited bank statements, I think I'd immediately close my account. It's none of their business :/

Is it something that is only being asked at the withdrawal stage?

Decent casinos won't wait until you have a withdrawal pending, if it needs doing they will do it. Any casino that does it on withdrawal, well, don't play there.

 

[johnnybagel]

Guess his SOW request will take a bit of working on

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[09237653]

Have had document requests many times, cards, proof of address, id etc.

Never been asked for SOW but I dont have any wealth anyway , if I should source some though they'll be the first to know.

 

[sean17]

bah! tis just a way for some bedwetting losers to welch out on their markers! imagine if we got to know their SOW! questions like that shouldnt be asked in the first place, but it sure does tell alot about ones character, (when ones asks the question) doesnt it? if they were worried about fairness or whatever their cowardly reason for asking SOW is then they would ask before any bet be placed. Asking for SOW when one is cashing out a win just shows that, the asker is either trying to stall or is plain out trying to renege completely. i dont see how people in the EU even tolerate this....
when a poker player records analytics he or she is ousted for counting but if the casino does it? they are just what?... helping law enforcement? that is just laughable! today you can jump online and gamble worldwide swo dont put up with it!

 

[Dafunk]

My SoW was triggered today at Twin Casino and I'm not happy with that.