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Some Rival Casinos No Longer Accepting New US Players

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by DarkMage, Apr 16, 2011.

    Apr 16, 2011
  1. DarkMage

    DarkMage Experienced Member

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  2. Apr 16, 2011
  3. Sloto

    Sloto Affiliate Manager for Accredited Casinos

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    This relates to Rival White Label casinos only.

    Ms Sloto
     
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  4. Apr 16, 2011
  5. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    With no official announcement, players are going to assume this means NO Rival casinos are accepting new US players, as this is what is being stated to them when they try to join a white label.

    Given that Rival don't take Canadian players, this is going to be bad news for the white labels.

    Rival casinos need to make sure that non-US players don't suffer from any fallout, as it would send them the message that the US government have more or less "seized Rival", rather than a few processing companies.

    It could be the end for the white labels, as the only Rival casinos still accepting new US players are the independents, and this is where new players are going to go, and many existing players may decide to "jump ship" in favour of these independents, rather than run the risk of continuing to play at casinos that are simply managing their decline.

    We may see other casinos running away from the US in the months to come, rather than risk getting caught up in further seizures.

    Microgaming may even pull the "level 11" solution for existing players.

    This may leave only some RTG and Top Game casinos, not a happy prospect for US players.
     
  6. Apr 16, 2011
  7. DiamondGeezer

    DiamondGeezer Dormant account PABnononaccred2 PABnoaccred PABaccred

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    NOT Pennsylvania!!!
    Wow this is pretty huge news.

    You do have to wonder if Casinos and Sportsbooks will be next and it looks like Rival are taking pre-emptive action.

    You do have to wonder if the white labels can survive without US players as I imagine it's the vast majority of their custom.

    I hope I'm wrong though as I have a soft spot for Rival and have always liked them.
     
  8. Apr 16, 2011
  9. DiamondGeezer

    DiamondGeezer Dormant account PABnononaccred2 PABnoaccred PABaccred

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    NOT Pennsylvania!!!
    Is RTG next???

    One thing I have picked up on with this case is the allegation that certain companies were making charitable donations to struggling US banks in order to prop them up. If so then this will open up a whole can of worms and it could be the level of corruption has gone up to a high level.

    Must admit I have never understood the legailty of the payment processors or the casinos blatently allowing US customers. By that I mean I have never been sure of who is the offending party - the casino, the payment processors or the player? It's totally unclear as to who is in the right and who is in the wrong. That has been the problem all along. The european companies pulled out of the US as they weren't certain about the legality but nothing has ever been proven. As I understood it the 1996 Act made the liability lie with banks and payment processors rather than the casinos themselves.

    I wonder if the bigger implication of the seizure of these poker sites is with the payment processors and particularly the banks. If the heat is directed in this area it is going to be extremely difficult for casinos and sportsbooks to function. Which is bad news for RTG.
     
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  10. Apr 16, 2011
  11. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    The reported Rival withdrawal is pretty sketchy as far as I can see, and there has so far been no official confirmation.

    It's going to be interesting to see how this pans out over the next few days.

    Have any Rival affiliates heard anything more concrete on this report?
     
  12. Apr 16, 2011
  13. Dipity

    Dipity Dormant account

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    This will be a stupid question to the majority of you, but how do you know if a Rival Casino is a white label or not? Is there a list somewhere? Or do you just 'know' via some other significant marking within the client software?
     
  14. Apr 16, 2011
  15. DiamondGeezer

    DiamondGeezer Dormant account PABnononaccred2 PABnoaccred PABaccred

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    It's not a stupid question no as the structure of Rival is very opaque.

    AFAIK I think the relevant casino has to self declare. Most are white labels though and a few are independant.

    KasinoKing is a bit of a Rival expert hopefully he can clarify the situation.
     
  16. Apr 16, 2011
  17. Redbush54

    Redbush54 Experienced Member PABaccred webmeister

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  18. Apr 16, 2011
  19. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

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    I think the post from Sloto is as Official as we are going to get, for a while.


    Rival White lables not takeing US Players.

    Rival powered private owned casinos still taking US players.
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2011
  20. Apr 16, 2011
  21. Redbush54

    Redbush54 Experienced Member PABaccred webmeister

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    It was just confirmed to me by an aff mgr at a white label that at the present time they are no longer accepting new registrations from the US. And an email is being prepared to go out now.
     
  22. Apr 17, 2011
  23. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

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    I have confirmed that at Sloto (Rival Powered Private Owned) it is business as usual. :thumbsup:
     
  24. Apr 17, 2011
  25. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    The two SlotoCash casinos, and 3 Box24 ones are definitely independent.
    I'm 99% sure Golden Cherry is too - but not quite sure about the 3 Bet Cave group casinos... I will find out.

    BTW, I have not had one single e-mail from ANY Rival casino about this USA ban yet, which seems rather odd... :confused:

    KK
     
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  26. Apr 17, 2011
  27. ksech

    ksech Dormant account

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    Question(s) for anyone/everyone...

    If, according to the article I read about the Poker site seizures, the DOJ were going after accounts who had increased international wires for alleged sales of items such as jewelry, music, etc...

    Won't some of the casinos who are sending wire transfers in the same way, start to feel threatened and close up shop to US players? And what will it mean to players who have collected casino winnings that have been wired this way? Will the white label Rivals be the leader of closing out US players from their casinos? And will these casinos allow the US player to get funds out before they are locked out of their accounts?

    I'm just curious if anyone else has thought of/considered this...
     
  28. Apr 17, 2011
  29. SlotsLover

    SlotsLover Senior Member PABnorogue PABnononaccred3 MM PABinit PABaccred

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    yes, potential problem

    Yes, I believe this could be a big problem for online casinos and sportsbooks. However, there are so many of them, that I believe (hope) it's very difficult for the DoJ to actually monitor all of them and find out information about all of them. Note in the current indictment, there is a "helper" who actually made deposits to the poker sites and found the fraudelent banks/companies/processors. With the numerous casinos, I believe it will be a bit more difficult for DoJ to bring suit against every one.

    As far as RTG is concerned, I don't believe they are directly involved in the money processing which is the main charge in the current indictment. It's a lot more difficult for DoJ to bring suit for "online gaming" as that involves wire act, state rights, discussion of exactly where the gaming is taking place, WTO issues, etc. The current indictment (I read all 80 pgs) does not touch on any of those issues but focuses on the much more easily provable charges of bank fraud etc.
     
  30. Apr 17, 2011
  31. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

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    I am not so sure it will affect anyone else unless they happen to have used the same processor, which I doubt.

    What apparently happened is that this processor (who was making 150,000 a DAY) got greedy and stole millions from these poker rooms.

    So they figured they would get even and turned him in when he was in Vegas.

    Of course he wanted to avoid going to jail for 30 years and told all he knew about the 3 poker rooms.

    Hence the arrests and law suits.

    Processor goes free, possibly with millions squirreled away, poker rooms lose the US.

    You could make a soap opera from this.
     
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  32. Apr 17, 2011
  33. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

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    The entire Online Poker Financial system was laid out for the feds by a snitch, thats the only reason the DOJ was able to find any of those accounts they are seizing.

    The casinos use all kinds of different/separate systems to move money.

    The casinos have already been targeted more than once (Neteller leaving the US was about the Casinos, not Poker/ UGIEA was about casinos) So I wouldn't be too worried, at least any more than 'normal'... lol
     
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  34. Apr 17, 2011
  35. FreeDomme

    FreeDomme Banned User

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    No Dom, the DOJ has been in this business since Staw left Atlanta

     
  36. Apr 17, 2011
  37. FreeDomme

    FreeDomme Banned User

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    Time to bring down the Kawnee tribe, because THAT is what is what is really happening.
     
  38. Apr 18, 2011
  39. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Rival white label casinos are NOT locking USA players out of their accounts.
    Existing customers can still continue to deposit, play and withdraw as they always have done.
    They are just not accepting any NEW players from the US.

    However, it would obviously not be wise to leave large amounts of $s in your accounts for long periods of time, just in case; As far as the USA goes, who knows what will happen next? :eek2:

    KK
     
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