Solaris vs Leovegas

GoldenGhoul

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That is why there should be more strict rules. I know they will come, but in the meantime casinos do their most to do business even if it triggers
addiction to people.
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This can be said about many things that cause addiciton or harm, gambling being just one of them, but I digress. I see another problem here though, namely that what these strict rules often tend to result in is that non-problem gamblers get "punished" by them more than they help the problem gamblers, case in point being the recent source of wealth requests issued against players, making them go through hoops, send private client information via mail and so on - clearly these things are not easy to implement and it's never going to work perfectly (or even properly). I could draw a parallel to anti-piracy measures in video games that hurt buyers with needless restrictions while pirates crack it quickly anyway. So I don't really think that "more strict rules" are likely to be a good thing, though it would be nice to be proven wrong.

And all things said and done this could lead to philosophical debates about just how evil gambling is, and probably would get a lot of advocates around the world for downright banning it, which is likely why I seem to find myself more in the "people should be responsible for their own actions" camp than in the "casinos should protect players" camp - though they both certainly do have a lot of merit.
 
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Gaz237

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Yes, it seem that you got it worked out looking at a very easy side to the matter and do not present
any depth to your answer which actually could be considered provokative since you are so confident
about protecting the casino.

You could also say that they did do wrong considering the bad communication between the casino and the player.
Why even start asking if a player is ok with the amount spent if not for the sake of caring for the players?
I do not think you have an understanding between running a business fair and running a business trying to be fair
looking at your answer.
If you think there are any ethics and morality in this industry, you are very wrong.
I have plenty of examples/articles on how casinos run their business towards big spenders.
You think I'd just post something out of my own annoyance without any research?

I'm sorry to be harsh against you, I do not expect agreement, but it's tiresome listening to people trying to protect casinos as
if they work in a casino themselves, and do not actually have any in depth understanding of the industry on the player side.
"Mind reading" is measured by data. That is why they called me in the first place...and it is very easy to spot a potential risk player
when you deposit 10 times a day in average without any withdrawals for a longer period.

You are not here to discuss one of the bigger topics in the casino industry? Just to complain to someone who posting something you experience as negative towards a casino, right?

You should of pointed out, in your original post, That you only want replies from people who agree with you.
 

Solaris

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PABnoaccred
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You should of pointed out, in your original post, That you only want replies from people who agree with you.

Thanks for the funny reply.
I'm sure you have a lot to provide in a discussion like this, but I disagree with your comment.
I do not intend to gain support and agreement even though it might be as black and white for you and that person who replied me first.
 

Solaris

Abusive language and behavior
PABnoaccred
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Norway
This can be said about many things that cause addiciton or harm, gambling being just one of them, but I digress. I see another problem here though, namely that what these strict rules often tend to result in is that non-problem gamblers get "punished" by them more than they help the problem gamblers, case in point being the recent source of wealth requests issued against players, making them go through hoops, send private client information via mail and so on - clearly these things are not easy to implement and it's never going to work perfectly (or even properly). I could draw a parallel to anti-piracy measures in video games that hurt buyers with needless restrictions while pirates crack it quickly anyway. So I don't really think that "more strict rules" are likely to be a good thing, though it would be nice to be proven wrong.

And all things said and done this could lead to philosophical debates about just how evil gambling is, and probably would get a lot of advocates around the world for downright banning it, which is likely why I seem to find myself more in the "people should be responsible for their own actions" camp than in the "casinos should protect players" camp - though they both certainly do have a lot of merit.


I was not clear enough about strict rules, that I admit.
Casinos now work after a well scripted model to prevent people to use more money than they can afford.
At least that is what the law forces the casinos to. But this model have in my opinion a very big potential to be more advanced. And of course we are talking about A.I
which casinos already use for their machine learning. You can by these elements actually in a very early process predict a potential problem gamber, thus preventing many
and tragic stories, but will the casinos do so? Not until they are forced to I believe.

I am in the camp between, I think it should be well balanced, and that is the hardest work for both players and casino providers.
 

Deeplay

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I feel for the OP i really do. 80k is a massive loss for most people. But in the end its down to the person to take control of there own gambling and there is more and more help out there now with different organizations , SE / DL but the player has to take there own responsibility. To truly beat a gambling addiction you need to take responsibility for your own actions. Block yourself everywhere online and put as many hurdles between you and the casino as you possibly can. Sure it has taken online casinos a long time to get there shit together when it comes RG , but finally things are changing. And certainly for UK players more and more protection is being implemented and i think its only a matter of time before the rest of the EU follows.

Harsh fact is even if Leo Vegas had closed your account earlier on, because you were in the throws of your addiction you would have just found another casino to spunk your money away. Which is why you need to work on the problem from within.

I will forever be a hapless addict because I love the game, but im back to cut throat DL Limits, and using TAB when I am feeling like tilt loometh on the dark horizon. I use ever safety net I can to enjoy my degenerate pass time - so that I can actually enjoy it. But hey thats just me. OP work on yourself and forget Leo Vegas and what they did or did not do. It dont matter now - does it ? what matters is you ensuring you never gamble again ever.

With you the best
 

Solaris

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PABnoaccred
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You should of pointed out, in your original post, That you only want replies from people who agree with you.

Thanks for the funny reply.
I'm sure you have a lot to provide in a discussion like this, but I disagree with your comment.
I do not intend to gain support and agreement even though it might be as black and white for you and that person who replied me first.
 

Solaris

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PABnoaccred
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Norway
I feel for the OP i really do. 80k is a massive loss for most people. But in the end its down to the person to take control of there own gambling and there is more and more help out there now with different organizations , SE / DL but the player has to take there own responsibility. To truly beat a gambling addiction you need to take responsibility for your own actions. Block yourself everywhere online and put as many hurdles between you and the casino as you possibly can. Sure it has taken online casinos a long time to get there shit together when it comes RG , but finally things are changing. And certainly for UK players more and more protection is being implemented and i think its only a matter of time before the rest of the EU follows.

Harsh fact is even if Leo Vegas had closed your account earlier on, because you were in the throws of your addiction you would have just found another casino to spunk your money away. Which is why you need to work on the problem from within.

I will forever be a hapless addict because I love the game, but im back to cut throat DL Limits, and using TAB when I am feeling like tilt loometh on the dark horizon. I use ever safety net I can to enjoy my degenerate pass time - so that I can actually enjoy it. But hey thats just me. OP work on yourself and forget Leo Vegas and what they did or did not do. It dont matter now - does it ? what matters is you ensuring you never gamble again ever.

With you the best


Thank you for interesting and nice feedback.

I have defintely done my "work" as a gambler in my life, but there are so many who haven't.
I am working on a quite large project that revolves around this topic, but I can't get into details yet.
That is why I appreciate feedback from experienced gamblers as well as new ones, even those who sees all black and white.
This is how the world evolves, people do great wrong (or right), learn from it and pass it on. But you never let it go as it is a part of you forever.
 

Solaris

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PABnoaccred
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Thought I'd share something interesting.

Several months ago I sent a complain to MGA abut Leovegas which were very valid yes. Don't even ask.
And finally yesterday I received an answer from MGA where they quoted Leovegas and took side with them naturally...

But the interesting part is that the feedback from Leovegas to MGA is pure made up lies.

Why would they lie and why would MGA believe this without seeing documentation of some sort?

Does anyone have experience with MGA? When I google them I find many articles from newspapaers about corruption accusations :what:
 

maxd

Complaints (PAB) Manager
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From what I've seen thus far -- the OP has a PAB in progress -- it is not at all clear that LeoVegas is at fault regarding the players's high losses. As such I'm combining his various threads on this subject and assigning a blame-neutral title as a means of levelling the field on this. If and when the player's accusations are proven I will happily revert to one of the earlier titles.
 
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