So, 3Dice doesn't block France...?

jstrike

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I happen to be in France right now, snowed in for awhile in a remote village with a broadband connection and a mac laptop. Now, I don't have the 3Dice software on mac so I can't tell for sure, but it looks like they don't block France. That's kinda weird. Bodog does, clubworld does...I think most do that haven't signed that lousy contract with the French government. It's an incredibly lousy deal, by the way. Tax on every poker hand, before the flop, it's just huge.

I know 3Dice has this interesting "it's on you" kinda policy about legality... I'm curious, Enzo, what are the inner workings of that? Doesn't the NA Dutch government recognize France's new licensing? Are you worried that Sarkozy's gonna import you one of these days?
 

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AFAIK, Belgium is the only country 3Dice blocks (Most casinos do not offer services to the country they operate out of, UK being an exception).

Legality of play in your jurisdiction is up to the player.
 

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AFAIK, Belgium is the only country 3Dice blocks (Most casinos do not offer services to the country they operate out of, UK being an exception).

Legality of play in your jurisdiction is up to the player.
Could you please provide a link to a/any legal source(s) from any country that confirms your bolded statement of such legality and/or law above?
 

Jasminebed

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Could you please provide a link to a/any legal source(s) from any country that confirms your bolded statement of such legality and/or law above?

No. Perhaps another player could help with that. With hundreds of different countries and constantly changing regulations, most casino Terms and Conditions have similar statements regarding it being up to the player to determine the laws for their jurisdictions.

It is the Player’s sole responsibility to ensure compliance with local and national laws.

Laws vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. We cannot be responsible for the laws in your location. Please contact your local authorities for up to date information on the legality of Internet gaming in your jurisdiction.

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i.Internet Gambling may be illegal in the jurisdiction / country in which you are located or residing. The Player retains sole responsibility for any gaming activity to ensure no law or legislature prohibiting gaming online is contravened.

Casinos licensed in Costa Rica prohibit Costa Ricans, Rival blocks Canadians. Lasseters used to not offer their service to Austrailians. Perhaps my first statement was too sweeping.

Please refer to the laws where you live, regardless of whether a particular casino offers services to you, to decide if you are participating in a legal adult activity, or perhaps contravening local law. I'm not offering any legal advice to any member or casino, I'm not qualified to do so. If you require legal advice, please consult a lawyer.
 

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No, Jasmine's generally right on here. 3Dice is licensed in NA/Curacao and I'm pretty sure that licensing board doesn't allow the free zone based casinos to take bets from the islanders or Arubans either...could be wrong about that, but I'm pretty sure. They're not based in Belgium so I'm not sure what that's about...I didn't even know Belgium had an anti gambling law...(?) France just passed a doozie, though, and especially the poker sites lined up to get licensed and mostly got their pants taken down by the French gov't. The poker world debate is about whether overall compliance with the strict French laws will help convince US politicians to repeal UIGEA and consider licensing. I think everybody's watching France and Italy right now to see if this kind of heavy taxing works or if it kills the games and drives the casinos away.

I'm pretty sure France completely bans non-poker house games online now. Not positive, but I think poker's the only thing they're licensing for the time being. So Full Tilt and PokerStars ponied up and figured out a way to scrape by here, I guess, but they don't offer any house games.

What I'm mostly curious about is whether Enzo's counting on the WTO rulings on this, or if he's at all worried about other EU countries deporting him out here.
 

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Hi JStrike,

Website access to the 3Dice website is blocked for noone, but players from various countries including france will receive a message when trying to play at 3Dice. This has been like this for the longest time.

Regards,

Enzo
 

vinylweatherman

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Hi JStrike,

Website access to the 3Dice website is blocked for noone, but players from various countries including france will receive a message when trying to play at 3Dice. This has been like this for the longest time.

Regards,

Enzo

So France IS a "banned country", but players will only find out if they try to register (or bother to read the terms first).


Oddly enough, the USA is NOT a "banned country" at 3Dice, so there is an inconsistency here.

Although gambling itself is not considered illegal, processing transactions to & from US players IS illegal in the US, and by accepting the deposits (and paying out), 3Dice ARE breaking the law in the US, just as they would be breaking the law in France by allowing French players to play.

It is a case of operators deciding which laws they obey, and which ones they ignore.

The US is quite capable of "importing" you, remember the case of the "Nat West Three".
 

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I think 3Dice are based in Estepona aren't they? Strange to exclude Belgium, they may have developers based there or something.

Bodog accepts US bets but blocks France too, maybe the fact France is part of Europe holds more water than the US.
 

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I think 3Dice are based in Estepona aren't they? Strange to exclude Belgium, they may have developers based there or something.

3Dice IS actually based in Belgium. Their parent company is based in Spain. The casino has (small) land-based counterparts in Antwerp.
 

parpol

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Even in Italy 3Dice is off-line, account closed! :mad:
Idem 888, Betway/Gnuf! :(:puke:
 
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rockycatt

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this whole fking thing about big brother supervising adults re via
political science / take the wool off the [john doe public ] in the name of freedom .:rolleyes:

is world government gone sour thet got more on there plate in the form of very real issues like what appears to be a biblical rencarnation of the
holy wars to even be wasteing 15 minutes on a game that was played at the feet of the crucifiction witch by the way was a product of there reining caesar's government also even he knew it was wrong [according to the scriptures ]

vermin at best =politician/ nothing has changed
 

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Bodog accepts US bets but blocks France too, maybe the fact France is part of Europe holds more water than the US.

Yeah, I think there's probably a lot of truth to that. My guess is that you can decide to be an outlaw in the US, but if you're based in any country in Europe, you have to follow other European countries' rules.

Still, I wonder what the French could do about it if a Spanish, British or Dutch casino decided to stay open and unlicensed there in defiance of the national law. That's basically what Antigua's casinos did to the US, and they won their case at the WTO, which the EU claims to take seriously...
 

parpol

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Still, I wonder what the French could do about it if a Spanish, British or Dutch casino decided to stay open and unlicensed there in defiance of the national law. That's basically what Antigua's casinos did to the US, and they won their case at the WTO, which the EU claims to take seriously...

It seems that Europe is giving reason AAMS and you should only have national licenses (in Italy only AAMS :mad: ), the others do not count!

Still not sure but it is very likely! :(
 

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Yeah, I think there's probably a lot of truth to that. My guess is that you can decide to be an outlaw in the US, but if you're based in any country in Europe, you have to follow other European countries' rules.

Still, I wonder what the French could do about it if a Spanish, British or Dutch casino decided to stay open and unlicensed there in defiance of the national law. That's basically what Antigua's casinos did to the US, and they won their case at the WTO, which the EU claims to take seriously...

It's probably down to EU wide law. Unlike with the US, EU members respect the laws of each other, and you can be prosecuted in one member country for breaking the law in another. Antigua do not recognise the authority in the US when it comes to UIGEA, hence they will take no action, nor help the US, when it comes to UIGEA.

The European court recently ruled that there ARE circumstances where one member state can ban casinos from another member state from the internal market.

Germany won this victory, and it seems France has taken advantage of it to introduce licensing and taxation rules.

Casinos based outside the EU will still offer services to EU countries. Maybe casinos will desert Malta and go back to Kahnawake to avoid these EU bans. They initially went the other way so they could get on the UK whitelist, and advertise throughout the EU. Since the German court victory, whitelisting no longer opens up the entire EU market.

Poland have recently introduced a ban, not that many casinos are going to care given how "clever" the Poles are at doing bonuses:D
 

parpol

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and it seems France has taken advantage of it to introduce licensing and taxation rules.

VW,

....France e Italy (unfortunately)! :mad:
not only for licensing and taxation rules but to make the game to the point of insanity!!

Example Playtech casino with the first Italian: sisal (dot) it
"Dr.Lovemore" of the slot is called "Doctor Love" :confused:
Should be of special slots in Italy only to low payout.
Fixed RTP of 75% with a cycle of 50,000 games (payout al 75%) :puke::axeman2:
 

jstrike

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Fixed RTP of 75% with a cycle of 50,000 games (payout al 75%)

And they say national regulation "helps the players." Hah.
Hey, a 25% edge and a complete lock on the market? I wanna get licensed in Italy. What does a crooked politician cost there these days? 10% of GGR or so?
 

parpol

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And they say national regulation "helps the players." Hah.
Hey, a 25% edge and a complete lock on the market? I wanna get licensed in Italy. What does a crooked politician cost there these days? 10% of GGR or so?

The main gain is AAMS, casinos earn less!

I'm not sure what the percentage return from AAMS and casino (where 12.5%, 15 and 10 ecc.ecc.) this is unclear!

... You have to wait and see what happens around March / April, there would appear to be a little clearer.
 

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OMG!!:eek2:

And this is about to happen in the Netherlands too.. :(
No more 32RED, Ladbrokes, Betway.. unless they manage to get a licence (I know Betway is trying to get one), but thats very unlikely.

I suppose we'll be stuck with an online version of Holland Casino, as they are owned by the government.
 

jstrike

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OMG!!:eek2:

And this is about to happen in the Netherlands too.. :(
No more 32RED, Ladbrokes, Betway.. unless they manage to get a licence (I know Betway is trying to get one), but thats very unlikely.

I suppose we'll be stuck with an online version of Holland Casino, as they are owned by the government.

Do you know if casinos licensed in Curacao will still be okay there?
 
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