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Sneaky wagering more common now ?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by smokie, Jul 19, 2013.

    Jul 19, 2013
  1. smokie

    smokie Dormant account

    I'm here today is to research some about how many casinos claim to have an (for an example) 35x wagering on deposit bonuses but when you read the fine print its both your deposit and the bonus so its really 70x wagering in the end.

    For an example if you deposit 100€ +100% bonus with an 35x wagering you would expect in to be a 3500€ turnover but this way its really 7000€ instead .

    If a casino markets its offers with 35x wagering it should be that not double since its way way harder to do 70x or 100x as I've seen another casino have.

    whats your take on this is it becoming more occurring nowadays to count both the deposit and the bonus in the wagering and is it really FairPlay if a casino says its a 35X wagering on the bonus money and doesn't mention at all that its also a wagering on your own deposited money not just the bonusmoney.

    Whats the maximum wagering terms you would play and whats the absolute worst wagering requirements you've seen online ?

    When i deposit with bonuses i seldom accept if the wagering is over 35x and i consider 20x to be a good deal but nowadays low wagering requirements at non-rogue casinos are harder to find then a couple of years ago .

    P.s excuses for the bad grammar and spelling english is not my native language :)
  2. Jul 19, 2013
  3. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

    hi & welcome, pretty easy realy Always read the terms of your deposit bonus before you take it , weve so many players here whome come on moaning & bitching because they didnt read the terms of there bonus hence to why either theyre not paid or have played the wrong game or even played to high , if in doubt speak with CS thats what theyre there for.

    The sneaky bit has always been there you just have to look in the right places , i do agree you shouldnt have to wager another 35 times , but if youve taken that kind of bonuses without reading it , then sorry its down to you )

    better still dont bother with a bonus unless you want lots of playtime or even better is to mix them up ,there are plently of casinos which offer 20 times if your not taking bonuses all the time.
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  4. Jul 19, 2013
  5. judgenico

    judgenico Experienced Member MM

    postal worker
    i recently made a school boy error at jackpotjoy.,was sent an email offering a 100% match with a playthrough of I think it was just 5 times after depositing I then discovered in terms that slots only counted 5p in every pound towards playthrough,silly me wont be making that mistake again be warned people read terms fully
  6. Jul 19, 2013
  7. smokie

    smokie Dormant account

    @ Mr_jones yeah i know I'm a pretty regular player so i always read up on both the fine print and reviews of the actual casino in fear of
    rougecasinos , but i think the casinos starting to count your deposit in the wagering is a pretty new thing I've newer seen it a couple years back
    but nowadays i stumble upon it more and more .

    Im a supergrinder so i pretty much always play with a 50-100% bonus but hey playing for hours isn't everyones thing but for me its a pretty cheap entertainment grinding through a wagering :)

    yeah their wagering rules are truly confusing and unique i got tired at the staff in the live-chat since she didn't even know what a ordinary wagering requirement as all the other casinos do them is (10-40x) and it was impossible to even try getting her to understand.
    all the help i could get was a repeated copy paste of their "rules" I've talked to many "drunk /high on the jobb teenagers" jackpotjoy fits that category :D
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2013
  8. Jul 19, 2013
  9. Cleveland

    Cleveland Meister Member

    Professional problem solver
    Am I the only one who doesn't find this sneaky? If I receive a bonus offer or see one and it states for example 35x WR. I automatically assume it's D+B x 35, until I read the details of the bonus rules or their T&C's, which might state otherwise.

    Even when we speak here at the forums in regards to bonuses you hear terms such as 20xWR, but in reality it's closer to 40x WR on the bonus, since the deposit is included (depending on the type). It's such a common practice that it's assumed WR will also be applied to the deposit, unless otherwise stated, that we speak the same on the forums.

    True it would help if they were would state in their promotion D+B x WR.

    On a side note though, you can't simply say it's double the WR x the bonus, thus you get your wagering. The math wouldn't work out for % bonuses. For instance in the example you gave say it was a 200% bonus with the same WR you mentioned (35x). You deposit the same $ 100, receive a $ 200 bonus, so now have a $ 300 balance. You can't simply now say it's a 70x WR on the bonus. If you did look at it that way, it would mean your WR is $ 14,000, but in reality the play through would be $ 21,000.

    And I shy away from huge WR such as that, unless I'm just looking for insane amounts of playtime or feel like wasting money on a challenge I'm likely not going to win. Other than that I try to stay around the 20x or lower WR on D+B.
  10. Jul 20, 2013
  11. smokie

    smokie Dormant account

    It probably has very much to do what casinos and game suppliers you play at in my case I've almost only used Netent-casinos that cater to nordic players and for me a 35X wagering on a 100% bonus has always been the bonus money x35 especially a couple of years ago then i wouldn't have bothered reading the fine print even as most of them had the same offers more or less.

    You make a very good point about the 200% bonuses I've never thought about it that way but when you put it like that its the same thing
    as a double wagering but on the other hand if you want to wager a lower sum just deposit less money its still going to be cheaper then a 100%
    (or is it after a couple of beers I'm confusing myself :) )

    a casino offering a 200-300% first-deposit with a 35-50x wagering that counts to both the deposit and bonus is going to be a monster of a bonus to complete though with a 35x on the whole sum its actually a 210x wagering then with 300%

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