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Slotty/BETAT bonus changes

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by citizenx, Apr 22, 2016.

    Apr 22, 2016
  1. citizenx

    citizenx Meister Member MM

    Occupation:
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    Location:
    UK
    Wonder if someone could help me understand the new rules at Slotty and BETAT.

    Bonus wagering applies only against bonus funds.

    So.

    If you're playing and haven't dipped into bonus funds, can you forfeit bonus and make a withdrawal, including any winnings?

    I believe so but would appreciate clarity.

    Presumably then max betting rules also don't apply until such time as you start playing with bonus funds?

    Did search for a thread on this but couldn't see one.

    Cheers.
     
  2. Apr 22, 2016
  3. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

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    job is OK
    Location:
    Balcony
    - You are free to play with your cash balance as you please, no max. bet or game restrictions.
    - You can withdraw at any time before touching the bonus money

    However, i do not like this clause which is new in their terms:

    So what if i deposited just 20$ in the respective month and after a good run i have a balance of 5K to withdraw?? According to this clause the max. will be 200$ :eek:
     
  4. Apr 22, 2016
  5. citizenx

    citizenx Meister Member MM

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    Thanks. And good spot. I don't like that either. Sounds like an option to prevent withdrawals. So what happens of you win big? You lose some or do you have to deposit the following month just to make withdrawals?

    Makes me somewhat uncomfortable although I know they're reputable it doesn't sound fair.

    Hopefully they'll see this thread and expand on that term.
     
  6. Apr 22, 2016
  7. bowki

    bowki Senior Member

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    This one makes no sense to me. Its impossible to have "bonus winnings" without using the bonus funds!? So i only have "bonus winnings" if i had no real cash left and therefore there is nothing i can withdraw. :what:
     
  8. Apr 22, 2016
  9. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

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    uk
    "11.16 All outstanding User Real Money balances, stemming from Bonuses made Real or other forms of monetary compensations will be capped at maximum monthly withdrawal amount of 10 times total deposited amount at the time of first withdrawal request or €25,000, whichever is lower."

    Would that not be the total amount deposited from the very first deposit?

    It's probably a clause added to deter the 'hit and run' bonus abusers/syndicates
     
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  10. Apr 22, 2016
  11. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

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    As usual terms written to be understood only by lawyers :eek:

    But you are right, it is protection against syndicates.
     
  12. Apr 22, 2016
  13. hhhelllo

    hhhelllo Senior Member

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    Sorry betat but you just lost a client....
     
  14. Apr 22, 2016
  15. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

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    i doubt that BETAT would hold a loyal player to those terms , as already pointed out to stop syndicates & bonus abuse i would of thought.

    Any pmed the rep to get this clarified >>>?
     
  16. Apr 22, 2016
  17. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

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    Yeah, i Pm'd Karl to get clarification.
     
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  18. Apr 22, 2016
  19. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

    Location:
    uk
    I'm not a fan of that bonus system anyway. It's more like cashback than a bonus.

    plus the wagering has effectively increased.

    IIRC the wagering was 25x D+B.

    So basically a 100% bonus on £100 , the wagering would be 25x your starting balance of £200 =£5000.
    Now since the wagering doesn't start until you've lost half your balance, it's 30x £100 =£3000 - less to wager, but not half the amount and only half the bankroll to do it with
     
  20. Apr 22, 2016
  21. CM_BETAT

    CM_BETAT I-Gaming Industry Representative

    Occupation:
    Head of Casino
    Location:
    Malta
    Serious case of deja vu here guys..

    OP, wins with real funds are in no way tied in by taking a bonus. If you win with real its immediately withdrawable, all you will do is forfeit the applicable bonus.

    Regarding the rest, we have tackled this recently in another thread. The term has been there since the start and is only a deterrent for syndicates for hit and run bonus abuse on first deposit.

    The thread is here: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums...ighlight=outstanding User Real Money balances

    Heres my previous reply:

    Hi all,

    Just caught onto this..

    This is a deterrent for high risk hit & run collusive bonus players using the welcome pack. You know, the type of group that sign up through 10 accounts and play DOA at max bet simultaneously, surfing the fringe of the terms and conditions to maximize the chance of large cashout on the bonus funds. Unfortunately these type of players require us to set up an element of protection by having such terms in place.

    As much of a deterrent it is, we have never enforced it in the 6 years we have been operating. Also, it is impossible for any frequent depositor to fall foul of it as it only applies to first WD.

    Hope this answers your question..

    Karl
     
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  22. Apr 22, 2016
  23. CM_BETAT

    CM_BETAT I-Gaming Industry Representative

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    Malta
    Thats incorrect Brianmon,

    WR went from x30B+D to x30B, so effectively it is the same on a 100% match considering the €6000 to wager with €200 became €3000 to wager with €100.

    We have tried and tried and tried(and tried) to explain our previous system to players and reviewers alike, however the main complaint was always "Woowwwwww! €6000 to wager! no thanks! other casinos have €3000!!!!!", completely omitting the fact that the real funds will also contribute toward the requirement. Believe me, we've tried to educate, but it is a losing game.

    Karl
     
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  24. Apr 22, 2016
  25. osulle

    osulle Ueber Meister CAG mm4 mm1

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    Personally I like the new system better. Think of the bonus as a second chance! Of course that didn't stop me from getting a 46% RTP on yesterday's session but you win some and you lose some no biggie:)
     
  26. Apr 22, 2016
  27. CM_BETAT

    CM_BETAT I-Gaming Industry Representative

    Occupation:
    Head of Casino
    Location:
    Malta
    Sorry you were unlucky this time.. PM your details and ill toss you some Jimi Free Spins :cool:
     
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  28. Apr 22, 2016
  29. osulle

    osulle Ueber Meister CAG mm4 mm1

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    Thanks PM sent although I wasn't expecting that kind gesture. Sometimes you win but more times you lose. It's all in the thrill of gambling.
     
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  30. Apr 22, 2016
  31. citizenx

    citizenx Meister Member MM

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    Hi Karl

    Many thanks for prompt response. Much happier now. Have a good weekend!
     
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  32. Apr 22, 2016
  33. CM_BETAT

    CM_BETAT I-Gaming Industry Representative

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    Head of Casino
    Location:
    Malta
    Anytime, lads and lasses :cool:
     
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  34. Apr 22, 2016
  35. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

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    To be honest, i like it better too. :thumbsup:

    You can play with your cash funds as usual, without having to care for game selection or bet size and if you fail to hit something the bonus gives you an additional chance.

    What is also unique to BET-AT is that should you go over the max. bet with your bonus funds they don't confiscate the winnings. :thumbsup: .... Instead they just slam a 50X wagering on them, which is fair as you can still grind through them but are not faced with having the whole balance vanish into the virtual "nirvana" :eek:
     
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  36. Apr 22, 2016
  37. jumboshrimp

    jumboshrimp Experienced Member MM PABinit

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    Ontario
    I have the hendrix reload of 100%. I deposit 20 and max withdrawal is only 200??? I am still confused.
     
  38. Apr 22, 2016
  39. CM_BETAT

    CM_BETAT I-Gaming Industry Representative

    Occupation:
    Head of Casino
    Location:
    Malta
    No. There is no max withdrawal on the bonus..
     
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