Question Slots Systems Do They Work???

skyhy

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I came across some slot systems at *snip* and I was wondering if anyone has tried them or have you tried any others?
I know systems have been floating around for years but some must at least work sometimes or maybe not...I'm curious?
 
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The Bonus Symbol System
This is for games that play the feature on 3 or more bonus symbols.
Spin a maximum of 6 times, if you don't see 2 bonus symbols on a single spin move to another game.
If you do get 2 bonus symbols start counting your spins from 1 again.
Keep repeating until you either get to 6, or *bang bang bang* - you hit the feature, enjoy!
: pray :
ofcourse work!
 

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Slots systems work great, assuming you're the operator of a casino.
 

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Random Events = enough said.

There has been people trying to sell off these mendacious books and sites like this for years.
 

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They just seem a bit more interesting than setting a game to auto play and having a cup of tea :D.
I'm keen to try any new ones if they seem based on some sort of logic.
 

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What makes me pretty sure that there is no cheating or any system to use when it comes to slots, is when I talk to people who work in one casino but play themselves in another one.
They talk, win and of course lose just the same way as you and me :p

They might not complain so much in the open like you and me, and doesn't bragg when they win either, but wouldn't they be the ones who knew how to beat the machines? ;)
 

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What makes me pretty sure that there is no cheating or any system to use when it comes to slots, is when I talk to people who work in one casino but play themselves in another one.
They talk, win and of course lose just the same way as you and me :p

They might not complain so much in the open like you and me, and doesn't bragg when they win either, but wouldn't they be the ones who knew how to beat the machines? ;)

Very good point tirilej.

The ones who brag constantly about "beating" the slots/games obviously aren't beating anything except.....well you get the picture. See, if they DID have a system that DID beat the house all the time (and a system is pointless if it doesn't), the LAST thing they would do is SHARE it. LOL. How daft would you have to be eh? You're just bringing more people in on the "scam", which means its far more likely the casinos will learn about it and shut it down etc.

Any intelligent player with a surefire way to win wouldn't tell a soul, and most certainly wouldn't post about it in a forum.
 

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Let's make sure we eliminate AWP slots here, where there are methods/systems which will guarantee you profit.

If this clown is referring to RNG based slots then the information is going to be somewhere between pure fantasy and downright lies. It probably has gems in it like 'if you get a big win, then move to another slot or cash out your profit' or 'when you hit the bonus round, shut down the slot in your browser, and when you re-open the slot it will have the message you have an unfinished game which means you will get twice as much from the bonus than if you had carried on'. :D

Or maybe this one 'changing between slot standard size and full screen size between each spin guarantees you an RTP of 100%+' or 'playing 19 lines out of 20 gives you 100% RTP instead of 95%'........:D
 

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Let's make sure we eliminate AWP slots here, where there are methods/systems which will guarantee you profit.

If this clown is referring to RNG based slots then the information is going to be somewhere between pure fantasy and downright lies. It probably has gems in it like 'if you get a big win, then move to another slot or cash out your profit' or 'when you hit the bonus round, shut down the slot in your browser, and when you re-open the slot it will have the message you have an unfinished game which means you will get twice as much from the bonus than if you had carried on'. :D

Or maybe this one 'changing between slot standard size and full screen size between each spin guarantees you an RTP of 100%+' or 'playing 19 lines out of 20 gives you 100% RTP instead of 95%'........:D

These are no different to having a horseshoe sitting on your monitor. They are fun strategies that might add to the entertainment, but will not affect the result. Players should invent their own, and share them for free as a bit of fun. Players should not think that just because they are asked to pay for a system, it will work.

Although there have been many AWP systems that actually work (the games are not random, which is WHY they work), there are many more doing the rounds that are no different from the above, and are no more than a bit of fun for the player. Things such as polishing the coin to make it "lucky" before putting it in the slot, pressing the buttons repeatedly or harder, etc.

Some paid for fruit machine systems have turned out to be nothing more than the hidden features programmed into the game, such as if a pair holds 3 times, the win is guaranteed on the third attempt (although not all fruities obey this rule).

What muddles the issue is that some casino OPERATORS believe in systems, and have been known to ban players, or even confiscate winnings, because they have used one of these odd "fun" systems and just happened to get lucky.
 

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Systems to beat online slots don't exist. But there are strategies that can be fun.

One of the battles of slot playing is time. I would guess - if people are like me - they don't sit down to play for just 5 minutes. I'm there because I have an hour or two to kill. So if I win early, I am not going to cash out and resultingly I lose more and more often.

So, I have a strategy to help. I play is like a watered-down Martingale strategy. I do 50 spins at bet size "A". If I don't get the bonus, I move up a bit to betsize "A + A Bit" (not as much as double though) and do the same 50 spins. And so on. When I hit a bonus, I start at "A" again. Sometimes if a slot feels like it's being a real bitch I'll do 100 spins instead of 50 and sometimes when I hit something half-decent I double up for 50 spins.

It doesn't make winning any more easier but one thing I have noticed is that there is - more often than not - a point in my session where I am up. If I was able to quit at that point I'd be a lot better off but like most slot players...no chance. I still have an hour to kill :D

Another strategy I sometimes use is to start on lower variance games and try and build my bankroll to something that will support higher variance games, then switch to those near the end of my session and go for the Win or Bust.
 

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I'm not sure if it qualifies as a 'system' but when playing high variance games with potentially massive payoffs but also potentially horrific dry spells (eg Great Blue, Marilyn, Penguin Vacation) I will load a game up and play it at my preferred lines/coins combination to see if anything's happening.
If I can't get some action going within a few minutes I just switch off and do something else. If it's paying out I'll press it and press it until it feels like the momentum is turning.

Of course the hard bit is walking away early when nothing is happening. Having a particularly interesting youtube documentary (for example) lined up in advance can help here.
 

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Let's make sure we eliminate AWP slots here, where there are methods/systems which will guarantee you profit.

If this clown is referring to RNG based slots then the information is going to be somewhere between pure fantasy and downright lies. It probably has gems in it like 'if you get a big win, then move to another slot or cash out your profit' or 'when you hit the bonus round, shut down the slot in your browser, and when you re-open the slot it will have the message you have an unfinished game which means you will get twice as much from the bonus than if you had carried on'. :D

Or maybe this one 'changing between slot standard size and full screen size between each spin guarantees you an RTP of 100%+' or 'playing 19 lines out of 20 gives you 100% RTP instead of 95%'........:D

There are NO systems/methods that guarantee you a profit (unless a bonus is involved in which case it IS sometimes possible on some games but only to a limited extent) on an AWP.

I challenge you to name and explain one. In private, if you wish.

Just because something isn't strictly random, doesn't mean it is "beatable". Many AWPs will go "megastreak" at some point, most likely based on how much has been ploughed into it by ALL players across the network. If you KNEW how much had gone in, or how long since someone hit it, then PERHAPS you would have an inkling about when it is DUE....but you still would NOT know when it would happen exactly. AWPs are NOT like the old UK fruities...you can't "watch" them and look for "signs". If the whole theory about "seeing the signs" were actually true, then VWM would have ploughed thousands of bucks into the AWPs exactly TWICE in the past 7 years or so....I mean, why would you funnel cash into something that isn't "telling"? Doesn't make sense. We know from his constant mentioning of the fact that he commonly shoves thousands into AWPs....and occasionally tells he us lost a large chunk, so we can probably multiply that by 10 to get the real story (The big wins we know because he posts them before the countup finishes).

If VWM laid his bets out on the table since he started online AWPs I would be VERY surprised if he was ahead, or at least very much ahead. If he doesn't have that info, then there's no way he can know....hence there is no way he can prove his "system" works.

It's a shame it cannot happen, but it would be awesome for VWM and a few others to start with a big bankroll and play only AWPs, and see who is in front in 12 months (would be a little skewed because VWM seems to somehow have an bottomless cash pit. I gotta get myself a UK pension!! :D). I very much doubt that VWMs stats would be any better or worse than the others, because the only REAL system he employs is what a whole lot of other high rollers employ - "Keep depositing and betting big until you hit big"....there is no skill involved...just deep pockets.

Just like any other slot, it's about being in the right place at the right time. Maybe there IS some "tells" when a megastreak is about to hit (personally I doubt it as I can't see MGS allowing it but anyway let's assume there is), but NOTHING any player does will MAKE the "tells" happen, hence no player can MAKE the megastreak happen. You have to be there at EXACTLY the right time, and the only way to find out when that is? Play all the time of course! Otherwise you might miss it, which defeats the whole purpose. If you're a $5-10+ bettor like VWM, it might cost $500-1000 just to "suss out" the game, only to find it sucks it all in and you end up with what mother hubbard has in her cupboard. Multiply that by dozens of sessions (I play AWPs too and have done for a long time....when they're not paying they suck you dry like Miley...well you get the picture) and the megastreaks end up covering your losses.

Before anyone whines...I am not having a go at VWM. He put his "system" forward, and I am responding with counter-arguments. LIke Bryan always says..."systems are a load of crap". The AWP one is no different.

The stats speak for themselves. 2 Megastreaks in 7 (?) years (of around 5000-7000xbet). I'm convinced :rolleyes:
 

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My absolutely foolproof slots system- published on CM for FREE

Put in money- press button win- alternatively put in money- press button - lose

Simple and foolproof takes into account all possible variations and permutations and the casino will never realise you are using a system
 

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What makes me pretty sure that there is no cheating or any system to use when it comes to slots, is when I talk to people who work in one casino but play themselves in another one.
They talk, win and of course lose just the same way as you and me :p

They might not complain so much in the open like you and me, and doesn't bragg when they win either, but wouldn't they be the ones who knew how to beat the machines? ;)

It depends on what kind of job they are doing at the casino. I am sure that only limited group of people have an access to all the information (historical gameplay logs, for example). And when it comes to software- then nobody at the casino (even the boss) has an access to it's codes etc. So your argument is kinda weak.
 

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I have had many more than just the two "megastreaks". It's just that these two were more "gigastreaks". A "megastreak" for me is when an AWP gives more than 2x the Jackpot from the streak feature(s), a regular top feature, whether forced out or not, tends to give between 1.1 and 1.5 the jackpot.


I don't have a "bottomless pit" of cash, I constantly recycle AWP payouts. The appearance of having unlimited supplies is down to the efficiency of the AWPs, and of course the rare "gigastreak".

If the AWP games were completely random, then tells from one session would not give any information as to what might come next. However, if you play an AWP and play out the board till you get killed off, you will see that each board you "force" tends to let you get further and further along, and will eventually give you the top feature. This is clear evidence that the Microgaming AWPs have an internal memory of past money in vs money out, and seeks to balance the RTP over the medium term, both on individual accounts, and across the network (which is where megastreaks come from).

Microgaming DESIGNED this, it's not an accident. It's a close emulation of the real thing in the UK.

The difference seems to be that instead of directly counting money in vs money out, there is a keno like process that allocates a win to some bets, and if not paid, the win is stored for a few spins, and then forced on the player after about a dozen or two bets, which then clears the memory. At the same time, a "cloaked" additional amount is added to a second pot that gets offered on the feature board. Very occasionally, a very large "cloaked" amount gets added from the network, and this produces the "tells" during play, and is what often leads to a "megastreak", the size of which depends on the actual amount added from the network.

As with the real thing, players simply can't cock it up and miss out, if they do screw up, they will be given another chance, and another, before the machine simply forces the win.

My system is that when I see this, as with the real thing, I play to frustrate the machine's programming which wants me to take the win. After a dozen or so spins, the machine tries harder and harder, and eventually forces the win. This often seems to produce a megastreak, although not always.
 

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I have had many more than just the two "megastreaks". It's just that these two were more "gigastreaks". A "megastreak" for me is when an AWP gives more than 2x the Jackpot from the streak feature(s), a regular top feature, whether forced out or not, tends to give between 1.1 and 1.5 the jackpot.


I don't have a "bottomless pit" of cash, I constantly recycle AWP payouts. The appearance of having unlimited supplies is down to the efficiency of the AWPs, and of course the rare "gigastreak".

If the AWP games were completely random, then tells from one session would not give any information as to what might come next. However, if you play an AWP and play out the board till you get killed off, you will see that each board you "force" tends to let you get further and further along, and will eventually give you the top feature. This is clear evidence that the Microgaming AWPs have an internal memory of past money in vs money out, and seeks to balance the RTP over the medium term, both on individual accounts, and across the network (which is where megastreaks come from).

Microgaming DESIGNED this, it's not an accident. It's a close emulation of the real thing in the UK.

The difference seems to be that instead of directly counting money in vs money out, there is a keno like process that allocates a win to some bets, and if not paid, the win is stored for a few spins, and then forced on the player after about a dozen or two bets, which then clears the memory. At the same time, a "cloaked" additional amount is added to a second pot that gets offered on the feature board. Very occasionally, a very large "cloaked" amount gets added from the network, and this produces the "tells" during play, and is what often leads to a "megastreak", the size of which depends on the actual amount added from the network.

As with the real thing, players simply can't cock it up and miss out, if they do screw up, they will be given another chance, and another, before the machine simply forces the win.

My system is that when I see this, as with the real thing, I play to frustrate the machine's programming which wants me to take the win. After a dozen or so spins, the machine tries harder and harder, and eventually forces the win. This often seems to produce a megastreak, although not always.

In your example of "forcing".....you're not "forcing" it to go mega/gigastreak...it was ALWAYS going to do that....which is why it only appears to "work sometimes". The reality is that it doesn't work at all. The GAME pays what it wants to pay, and the ONLY reason it might give you more after you keep "rejecting" the win is because you've put more money into it. I'm surprised an intelligent man like you can't see it.

The AWP might be a "close emulation" but it does NOT work exactly like the old doable fruities. Its why you can't consistently "empty" them.

Now I know what YOU call a megastreak, I can tell you that I have hit many of them myself....without ANY "system" at all.

A system/cheat/method is only "for real" if it works all the time. Yours doesn't, by your own admission. End of.

Do you have the figures across all your fruitie play at all casinos? If not, then there's no way you can tell if your method is successful at all. I assume you don't, or if you DO you're in the red....if you were ahead we would have heard all about it by now.
 

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There's a great deal of difference between money management and 'systems' - though we have seen online casinos confuse the two. In the end, if slots are not gaffed, there is no system or strategy for winning consistently. (Unless you want to count walking away and never playing again after a huge win that puts you into the black. :) )
 

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There are NO systems/methods that guarantee you a profit (unless a bonus is involved in which case it IS sometimes possible on some games but only to a limited extent) on an AWP.

I challenge you to name and explain one. In private, if you wish.

Just because something isn't strictly random, doesn't mean it is "beatable". Many AWPs will go "megastreak" at some point, most likely based on how much has been ploughed into it by ALL players across the network. If you KNEW how much had gone in, or how long since someone hit it, then PERHAPS you would have an inkling about when it is DUE....but you still would NOT know when it would happen exactly. AWPs are NOT like the old UK fruities...you can't "watch" them and look for "signs". If the whole theory about "seeing the signs" were actually true, then VWM would have ploughed thousands of bucks into the AWPs exactly TWICE in the past 7 years or so....I mean, why would you funnel cash into something that isn't "telling"? Doesn't make sense. We know from his constant mentioning of the fact that he commonly shoves thousands into AWPs....and occasionally tells he us lost a large chunk, so we can probably multiply that by 10 to get the real story (The big wins we know because he posts them before the countup finishes).

If VWM laid his bets out on the table since he started online AWPs I would be VERY surprised if he was ahead, or at least very much ahead. If he doesn't have that info, then there's no way he can know....hence there is no way he can prove his "system" works.

It's a shame it cannot happen, but it would be awesome for VWM and a few others to start with a big bankroll and play only AWPs, and see who is in front in 12 months (would be a little skewed because VWM seems to somehow have an bottomless cash pit. I gotta get myself a UK pension!! :D). I very much doubt that VWMs stats would be any better or worse than the others, because the only REAL system he employs is what a whole lot of other high rollers employ - "Keep depositing and betting big until you hit big"....there is no skill involved...just deep pockets.

Just like any other slot, it's about being in the right place at the right time. Maybe there IS some "tells" when a megastreak is about to hit (personally I doubt it as I can't see MGS allowing it but anyway let's assume there is), but NOTHING any player does will MAKE the "tells" happen, hence no player can MAKE the megastreak happen. You have to be there at EXACTLY the right time, and the only way to find out when that is? Play all the time of course! Otherwise you might miss it, which defeats the whole purpose. If you're a $5-10+ bettor like VWM, it might cost $500-1000 just to "suss out" the game, only to find it sucks it all in and you end up with what mother hubbard has in her cupboard. Multiply that by dozens of sessions (I play AWPs too and have done for a long time....when they're not paying they suck you dry like Miley...well you get the picture) and the megastreaks end up covering your losses.

Before anyone whines...I am not having a go at VWM. He put his "system" forward, and I am responding with counter-arguments. LIke Bryan always says..."systems are a load of crap". The AWP one is no different.

The stats speak for themselves. 2 Megastreaks in 7 (?) years (of around 5000-7000xbet). I'm convinced :rolleyes:

I think you got your wires crossed here, and have wasted a bit of typing - sorry. I was referring to land-based AWP's like we get in the UK, and people like VWM and Chopley still play. I could name you tens you can always win on if you follow your system which means doing a brief bit of homework. The online AWP's are pot-luck and IF you do get them to 'show' it's usually because you have pumped them beforehand.
 

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Well, its been two days since VWM publicly sprouted that his AWP "system" was about to net him a huge windfall.

He claimed that the "signs" were there and that he could "tell" it was about to "pop".

I think we can safely say that this AWP "method/system" is a lemon, just like every other slot system that has ever been bandied about. If it was showing signs, it would have gone off long before now.

If any big win is posted after this point, it will be the result of simply shoving money in until it pays, and most likely be a "bought" win I.e. cost more to get than it paid out.

Its nothing personal....its about showing the newbs and doubters that NOBODY has an "edge" or "advantage" when it comes to slots. The slot decides when you win, and nothing you can do will alter that fact. To believe anything different one would have to believe that a player can manipulate the internal workings if the games....if this were true, the casinos would be broke or at least not be offering such games.

Removal if a slot for a time is NOT evidence that it was "gaffed" or being "milked" or not paying correctly....it is almost always something to do with the display or paytable etc. In fact, I remember a display fault on both Treasure Island and Gee Gees where three symbols lined up but didn't pay, which turned out to be a symbol being "stuck" from the previous spin. It happened with the jackpot symbols on FFs and the casino paid up even though the server showed one reel differently. It was after THAT the games were removed....NOT because some player ripped them off.

The ONLY real control you have over a slot is what one you choose and how much you bet and how many times you hit SPIN....and of course how big your bankroll is. Its like the whole "stop spin" nonsense that some people here still believe....it makes NO difference to the outcome, but still there are those who swear it does. I'm now throwing the "AWP system" in the "debunked" basket alongside it.
 

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Its nothing personal....its about showing the newbs and doubters that NOBODY has an "edge" or "advantage" when it comes to slots.

I would just like to add that with bonuses, it is quite a different story IMO. If a player is very patient, careful and disciplined, then there are certain ways... And, IMO, it need not only be the - now probably gone forever - 100 % match bonuses with 15-20xWR.
Bonuses are quite a complex issue mathematically; Enzo once explained it. The 5 % edge of slots is not omnipotent when it comes to certain bonuses; that's why casinos create elaborate terms and conditions for bonuses in order not to be brought to bankruptcy.
Also, as KasinoKing pointed out many times, bonuses provide structure to one's playing, provide a clear exit point and IMO can help a player not to lose his cool and "go on a tilt". However, this is not easy; psychologically almost impossible in my experience :oops:; I think that's why casinos are not going out of business any time soon in spite of many good bonuses out there.
I find myself playing with bonuses more and more. IMO, there is no reason why not to play with reasonable bonuses: a) either you are mainly after entertainment - then a bonus extends your play; b) if a player is seriously intent on making a profit from playing, then a bonus is the BEST CHANCE (it is still a gamble) of achieving it.
 

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Well, its been two days since VWM publicly sprouted that his AWP "system" was about to net him a huge windfall.

He claimed that the "signs" were there and that he could "tell" it was about to "pop".

I think we can safely say that this AWP "method/system" is a lemon, just like every other slot system that has ever been bandied about. If it was showing signs, it would have gone off long before now.

If any big win is posted after this point, it will be the result of simply shoving money in until it pays, and most likely be a "bought" win I.e. cost more to get than it paid out.

Its nothing personal....its about showing the newbs and doubters that NOBODY has an "edge" or "advantage" when it comes to slots. The slot decides when you win, and nothing you can do will alter that fact. To believe anything different one would have to believe that a player can manipulate the internal workings if the games....if this were true, the casinos would be broke or at least not be offering such games.

Removal if a slot for a time is NOT evidence that it was "gaffed" or being "milked" or not paying correctly....it is almost always something to do with the display or paytable etc. In fact, I remember a display fault on both Treasure Island and Gee Gees where three symbols lined up but didn't pay, which turned out to be a symbol being "stuck" from the previous spin. It happened with the jackpot symbols on FFs and the casino paid up even though the server showed one reel differently. It was after THAT the games were removed....NOT because some player ripped them off.

The ONLY real control you have over a slot is what one you choose and how much you bet and how many times you hit SPIN....and of course how big your bankroll is. Its like the whole "stop spin" nonsense that some people here still believe....it makes NO difference to the outcome, but still there are those who swear it does. I'm now throwing the "AWP system" in the "debunked" basket alongside it.

With very next £400 deposit, note date & time bottom right:p
 

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Its not a megastreak.

Its a normal 500x jackpot pay.....which you can get by feeding it until it pops...which is what you did....which is what ANYONE can do.

If you did in fact hit it "on your very next $400 deposit" (although clearly you had a few thousand in your account already according to your balance which is odd), and your very next deposit and play wasn't immediately after your original post (and it wasn't), then it just proves that TI is tuned in to YOU alone and that even if you had gone back in a week you still would have hit it, unless you're saying not a soul played it in all that time anywhere on the network.

You've said yourself that the 500x jackpot below is always forceable, and I know it is too because I've done it, BUT...and its a very big BUT....it quite often costs more than 500x bet to force it. HENCE....you have not in any way shown that you can "beat" the game consistently (and a system that doesn't win consistently isn't worth Jack).

In any case, you claimed you could "tell" that a megastreak was coming. It did NOT come. You stated if it did not, you would admit you're system was a dud and that you were wrong. Instead, you came here and attempted to fool the gen pop who don't know how TI works into thinking you were right by posting a screenie of a "normal" payout....NOT a megastreak or gigastreak etc. I'm actually quite disappointed you try something like that.

You were wrong. Show some intestinal fortitude and admit you were wrong. I would admire you for it, as would others, as I know that's something you have been unable to do thus far.




*FWIW...A megastreak would have netted $10k-$15k and a gigastreak $20k+...all together in one "event". Hitting it again in a day or two after feeding it doesn't count.
 
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