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Question Slots Stake Question

Discussion in 'Slots Discussion' started by Casino2014man, Apr 21, 2015.

    Apr 21, 2015
  1. Casino2014man

    Casino2014man Non-Gambler

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    I just wondered what ratio you all use when playing slots compared to the balance you have?

    For years, I would deposit around £20, play £1 spins, very often cash out in the hundreds from that. Sometimes depositing £20 a few times in a row to do so.

    A couple months ago I withdrew thousands from one £20 deposit.

    Lately, I have been losing every single deposit for nearly a month, no cash outs. I have tried lowering my stakes to 20p/40p/50p/60p but found that I still can't hit a thing even at these stakes. I have been going through hundreds of pounds at these low stakes, £20 over and over and over, nothing, and am wondering if there is any point because at 100x I will only really win £20 - £50 and thats if I win anything at all..

    How do you all go about it because I feel like I have lost my slots hunger..
     
  2. Apr 21, 2015
  3. TheUnluckyOne

    TheUnluckyOne Newbie member

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    Since I never withdrew a dine, without reversing it from online casino, I can't really answer you. But I can tell you how I do it on landbased casinos.
    Usually i put anywhere between $10-20 in the slot and i play at least $1 per spin. Sometimes $2 or even $4. I have this theory that if a particular slot wants to pay out, it should happen right away. This has been proven many times cashing thousands of dollars with only $10 or $20 in the slot. I lose a lot if I start putting $50-100 and chase for a bonus I want to see.
    And sometimes just for the fun of it, i play 20c - 40c per spin.. sometimes this also results in very nice wins

    I guess whats happening to you right now is that you are going trough a bad losing streak. The best thing to avoid that is simply take a break. Like a month. Or if you really insist on playing, find a different casino, one you never played before and try your luck there.. IMHO If you win $5000 from A casino, eventually you will have to return them all before you get a good win again. its just how it works. its not random, the system is set to return percentage of what you have deposited. If a casino pays you $5000, then eventually you have to return $5500 before you get a good/dream hit. And if a casino pays you $5000 without investing that or near that much since you joined them, consider yourself REALLY lucky

    Cheers
     
  4. Apr 21, 2015
  5. osulle

    osulle Ueber Meister CAG mm4 mm1

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    Maybe you should take a break slotting for a while. I myself am on an epic losing streak with only 1 withdrawal since Jan. It doesn't matter what betsize or software I play I can't seem to hit anything at all.
    Sometimes when we get to this point a break is a good idea. At least it will end the frustration:)

    EDIT: Biggest indication that I need a break is a 50% RTP at a playtech casino had 250 bankroll and wagered only 520 before busting out. (no crazy bets or anything)
     
  6. Apr 21, 2015
  7. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Wolverhampton
    All I seem to be reading this last couple of weeks is how most people seems to be consistently losing :mad:

    maybe there is some truth in this tin foil theory after all :rolleyes:

    I'm a low roller who usually deposits in £20's same as yourself and my 'betting pattern' is usually as follows...(based on a £20 deposit and £10(50%) bonus)

    First 10 spins or so, 243 ways slots - 0.60p - 9 liners - 0.45p

    If (and that's a big IF these days) I get the desired start I will stop at these bet size(s) until the balance exceeds £100 ish and Increase to, 0.90p (243 ways and 9-liners)

    Win or lose I tend to stick with this and very rarely exceed £1 bet. (even when I hit that 5-reel shite storm I played at 0.90ps to meet WR)

    Nowadays when continually losing like everyone it seems I tend to start (after 1st ten spins are dead) on :-
    243 ways - Minimum bet (0.30p) and 0.27p on 9-liners

    Once I'm below 50% of SB thens its 9-liners 18p's

    and then 'survival mode' is my last £5er at 0.09p's (where I make most of my spins these days)

    Can see I've had a nightmare as when I open the games on most sites they are all on min bet and I even do something which grieves me to try and make play time last in reducing win lines where possible (only by a couple tho)
     
  8. Apr 21, 2015
  9. mcgameboy

    mcgameboy Screenieholic & Essayist mm2

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    Jon mate, I will say this with the greatest of respect, but I think depositing £20 - £25 and then opening your play with 60p bets on 243 ways
    is "almost suicidal". Even if you are getting a 50% match bonus, it is still optimistic. You know yourself, you could fire up IR and get 19 dead spins out of your first 20. Half your SB gone and you've haven't even so much as blinked. And already, you're off the 243 ways games and going onto 9 liners at 18p and fast approaching survival mode. If you are going to play that way, start with an SB of £50. Give yourself some wiggle room and
    lengthen your "hit window".

    Then there is another problem....what if you do hit quickly on a 60p bet? It might be the kind of hit that is good enough to enable you to cash out
    (if you had not taken a bonus). But for the sake of a mere £10 in bonus money, you've signed up for £300 of wagering. And a LOT can go wrong in
    £100 of wagering, let alone £300. You only have to look at how dunover's vid finished on that hideous Dish Washer session. Ah...Dish Washer...finished...see what I did there? Move over Richard Whiteley.

    I know you have gone on record many a time saying that you're "a low roller who needs a bonus". And I for one can respect that.

    But perhaps a change in approach may be required.

    If you're going to roll the dice by betting 60p on a SB of £30, why not just start with £25 (and no bonus) instead? Obviously, you narrow
    your "win window" even further, but what if you were to "quickly luck out" on IR and get a quick Troy feature that pays 100x and takes you to over £75?

    There's a quick triple up in the bag. Why not just say "you know what fuck it, I'm hitting the cage. I'll take my triple up. That's my next 2 deposits
    paid for. Now I can try to rinse and repeat". In fact, I would go further and choose not to be "afraid" to cash out once you've doubled up, even if it is "only £25". That £25 profit pays for your next deposit. I have tried this approach before (and I have tried it again this past week - my losing streak has forced me to mix
    it up a bit) and it has been reasonably effective, if not spectacular.

    I mean, look at Jory's double or bust series. Simple, quick and effective. And most importantly, quite profitable (on this run of 10 episodes anyway). And you don't necessarily need to "quad play" in order to achieve similar results. The key thing was...as soon as he got from A to B, he could cash out and put his feet up before attempting to go from B to C in the next episode, an episode that was already paid for courtesy of the successful trip from A to B.

    And then of course, there was always the chance that he might strike gold, like he did in episode 1. And win over 10 times his deposit.
    All 10 episodes paid for before he's even thought about what games he will play in Episode 2. How good is that?

    I think you should consider a brief spell of "bonus-free" play. If it doesn't work out, so be it. But if you want your luck to change, perhaps
    you need to make a tactical change. I speak as someone who was "quite the bonus whore" and never thought he would embrace the idea
    of bonus-free play. But you know what, it's actually not a bad thing at all.
     
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  10. Apr 21, 2015
  11. thebigs

    thebigs Senior Member

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    Mr mcgameboy,

    i think you should open a hot phone line to give us all some tips.We know you are right with what you are saying but mugs like me never listen lol.
    Your post though is very very true.I tend to start small and if i win go bigger then backwards again.Lately it has all been 30 cent stakes and money has gone fast so at the bigger stake it would have lasted seconds rather than minutes.
    Maybe we can look forward to a profitable May as i am at least 3 k down this year already i would say.
     
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  12. Apr 21, 2015
  13. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Totally agree with the points you raise McGameBoy :D

    To be honest the 'wheels are already in motion' for parts of what you kindly suggest I try.

    The .60p starting bets have been the first step in change and have already 'gone' and to be fair to myself, although I mention it in my 1st post as what I did, this was more so when my gaming budget was bigger.

    I base my budget (that's for two of us, wife as well) on 25% of disposable income (after EVERY bill paid, food shop done, petrol in car etc) plus 25% of a profitable week (although not every week), basically when there was plenty of budget left I'd start on .60p's.

    With regards to bonuses also yes I am a sod for searching for the best deal on offer that day as to where that day's deposit goes but have also begun to stray away from this too and encouraged the wife to do the same. Both of our last few deposits have been cash only (apart from my 1st deposit at Gala earlier just for some Lag free WMS, what a balls up that was !!)

    The icing on the cake was that mega Thor feature I posted on TSII last week, only had just started the £300 WR when it hit and every other slot was cold as ice and I just scraped £100 W/D which could have been £200 :(

    I have cursed myself too as looking at my 'tactic' these days you would assume I was new to online gaming and not a player of ten years, must be the stress but I really don't know why, I seem to have lost my touch big time as well as my luck.

    I do keep records (spreadsheet) of deposits / withdrawals over a year but overall and not per casino, the last 6 years have all ended in profit and despite my month long losing streak now (daily deposits is a small fortune) I am still well in profit overall (however do admit the 'earlier years' were aided by bingo sites too where I just could do no wrong)

    Massive thank you for taking the time to aid me in shedding some light on where I am going wrong and I will take on board you valuable input :D :D

    Hope your luck improves too - All the Best!!
     
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  14. Apr 21, 2015
  15. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

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    Some good points made in earlier post.

    Like has been said by many I often do small deposits of £20 at a time but rarely do I take a bonus.

    I like the fact that when I win its mine lol no worries over any daft terms and cashout when I feel like it.

    But I also quite often play the other strategy. I start off with the 9 liners at times like Kathmandu at 18p. Get the odd bonus and then raise bets accordingly. Only once I get a decent balance do I then try games like GOTs or TS2 etc. tho to be honest id rather play a game like fat lady sings that can pay well and have a better chance of winning.

    Doesn't always work but from a small deposit I would rather play lower variance slots to get balance up than start with something like IR. Even if they aren't paying the deposit will still last a lot longer than the couple of minutes it can take to get wiped out on IR.
     
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  16. Apr 21, 2015
  17. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    It depends on budget and time. If I have a small budget I normall divide it by 30 which will normally give me +/- 50 spins to try and hit something worth having. If I have a bigger budget and more time, I start with smaller deposits and bet sizes and gradually work up on both.

    This is a large part of why I mostly play Microgaming and WMS games and no longer play Playtech, Nextgen, newer IGT and some Aristocrat games actually because their policy of only being able to double your bet size each time you want to step up doesn't suit my way of playing.
     
  18. Apr 21, 2015
  19. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Like that idea, was playing at first (before IR 'hooked' me) what I thought to be Low variance slots, obviously not :p

    Would anyone please list some MG low var slots so I can give it a try please, no comebacks I promise :eek:
     
  20. Apr 21, 2015
  21. mcgameboy

    mcgameboy Screenieholic & Essayist mm2

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    Here's two I had bookmarked mate.

    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61922

    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61029

    Sidenote: In the first thread, KasinoKing mentioned Bush Telegraph, a game I had never played before.

    3 days later.....I played it for the first time...and this happened...

    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14243&page=180&p=617963#post617963

    :D
     
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  22. Apr 21, 2015
  23. dave1888

    dave1888 Meister Member PABnononaccred2 mm1

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    Generally I'll bet small compared to balance(too many wasted withdrawal chances on high betting) I'd advise on high variance no higher than 0.5 of 1%-1-2% of bankroll per spin. This give you lee way if you have a feeling the slot is hot such as very high variance games like BDBA and DOA Immortal Etc. So for example £90 balance on DOA begin at 90p or less size spins and do not exceed 1.80 a spin(this is suicide) Only do 1.80 a spin if you are getting many hits you'll know when DOA is winning if you've played it enough apply the same method to BDBA etc. For Immortal Romance I'm even more wary with this slot I'll almost always begin on 30p a spin even with £300 balance the very highest I'll start with is 60p and only up it if I'm hitting winners and going higher. It's all just common sense. In actual fact as a lowroller playing medium-high risk slots makes the most sense. Sure they will mostly bleed you dry but on the days when they are hot you can win big from really small bets(We've all seen it) Best of luck and be extra wary on high variance stuff(check simmos slotscomparer.com for variance advice)
     
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  24. Apr 21, 2015
  25. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    OK so the theory is I bet 50 or 100 spins at x. If I haven't hit a bonus I increase the bet a bit for another 50 or 100 etc etc, then if I hit the bonus, I start over. That's the theory. The reality is it is easy to hit something decent and stay betting bigger without going back down. It can be dangerous so I advise you set yourself 2 get-out points - one if you've lost and one if you've won...before you start!

    You need to be very disciplined (which I'm often not). Either way you'll lose long term but basically, if you follow the theory and you should find it fun, if you don't, you're f**ked :)
     
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  26. Apr 22, 2015
  27. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    To the original question: In the last few years my playing style has changed quite a lot from when I first started out.
    Back in the "good old days" I was a "bonus hunter" and only deposited when I was getting at least a 100% match with relatively low WR. Then I would mostly low-roll, switching games frequently, trying to make a small profit on each & ultimately make the WR with any sort of profit & cash-out.

    These days I typically deposit €/£100 - 200 at a time (with or without a bonus) and play games I like at stakes usually in the €/£ 1.00 to 3.00 range. If I'm "on a run" and feel the luck is with me, I will increase my bets, up to a maximum of €/£ 5 to 10 per spin on certain low variance games.

    I know we all have different gambling budgets, but I still struggle to understand the point of players making multiple small deposits (£20 a time, or whatever). If you have say £100 to spend, why not just do it in one lump sum? If you're not taking a bonus you can still chose to quit & cash-out when you get ahead. Every deposit & withdrawal costs the casino money - even though this might not incur a cost to the players, it does come off the casino's bottom line, meaning they have less money to give out in generous bonuses etc. That's how I view it anyway.

    KK
     
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  28. Apr 22, 2015
  29. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    My reason for my 'daily £20's' is I play for fun and to cure boredom in the main, although yep I moan if i don't get a play/game time but the idea is there to relax after tea with a few spins instead of sitting thru endless crap TV etc....

    If I were to deposit £100 at one time (which budget would cover...just) I totally agree KK that I could be a little more 'risky' higher bets to start, HV games etc and without a bonus which I wouldn't need as I'd have the highest ever SB in my gaming career !!

    The downside is if I do this at the start of a 'fresh budget' and have a real bad day at the office what am I to do the rest of the week, I couldn't see myself 'logging off until tomorrow' and defo know I couldn't go back to Eastenders and Coronation Street :rolleyes:

    I think next 'big' hit (where I allow myself some extra budget) I am going to give your idea a 'go' :thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2015
  30. Apr 22, 2015
  31. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    Also one other very important thing to bear in mind: once you get used to betting bigger, psychologically it is very difficult to go back to lower bet limits. It can be a slippery slope.
     
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