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Slots payouts changed

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by poser, Mar 28, 2008.

    Mar 28, 2008
  1. poser

    poser Experienced Member

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    Location:
    Hamburg
    Hi,

    I'd like to know your opinion. Or feeling. Or experience...

    When I play Slots, I made the experience, that new Slot machines often pay out a lot better then after some month of existing.

    I know this experience can be total coincidence. But I had this now at at leat 5 Slot machines at MG and Playtech.

    With "Alien Hunter" from Playtech, it was the most stunning difference.
    In the first months, the game won nearly 75% of the games. And it rained bonus rounds a.s.o. I made more than thousand bucks in 2 month here.(absolute gain incl lost sessions, at least 20 sessions, 50% of sessions with a win, no big play)

    What is your opinion ?
     
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  2. Mar 28, 2008
  3. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    Software Developer
    Location:
    Denmark
    It is your imagination if you are talking about Playtech and MG slots. The payouts are fixed for MG and Playtech and can not be changed by the casino operator. This is a well known fact.

    Also we have recorded the reels of many MG slots and then do not seem to have changed ever since release.

    It is just the variance of the slot and you have been lucky with the new slots, or you liked them better and imaging you was luckier. For RTG casino slot you claim can be true since managers can configure individual slots. (Same is true for Rival slots, but here you can
    see the current payout of the slot)
     
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  4. Mar 28, 2008
  5. AudiManinBoro

    AudiManinBoro Ueber Meister MM

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    i know what he means though zoozie, in some instances it does appear that new releases play a lot looser. But it cud be coincidence lol
     
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  6. Mar 28, 2008
  7. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

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    It would probably only appear to initially be looser for the simple reason that there would be more players playing them at any given time upon initial release which could cycle the win ratios more frequently...
     
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  8. Mar 28, 2008
  9. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    When I did my slots reviews there was always someone who had had a really lousy first session, and strongly disagreed with my review I had given the slot a good review.

    Anyway it is just your superstition if you are talking MG slots, I know that for sure.
     
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  10. Mar 28, 2008
  11. SnowKatt

    SnowKatt Dormant account

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    Autism Awareness Advocate/writer, speaker
    Location:
    WI, USA
    Well here's some fun facts of the slotty sort...

    First of all, in regards to another post i started about who would actually say what their pay out % is... Club world told me their machines are currently 95%.

    And the last time i played, i noticed that the faster the numbers on the Random jackpot were going up... the tighter the machine got. Soon as it started going slow again, it did better. Just an observation from my last play. I'm still taking a break, and trying not to be tempted by the coupon i was offered recently >_>.
     
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  12. Mar 28, 2008
  13. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

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    I agree SnowKatt, I have ALWAYS observed the exact same senario on RTG Random Jackpots no matter what time, day or night I was playing...
     
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  14. Mar 28, 2008
  15. SnowKatt

    SnowKatt Dormant account

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    Yeah, so i guess that's one thing people can watch out for. Glad it wasn't just a coincidence. Play when the R/J numbers are moving at a snail's pace.
     
  16. Mar 31, 2008
  17. poser

    poser Experienced Member

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    Hamburg
    Yes, I read that payouts should be fixed at MG and Playtech.

    But doesn't this just mean that the operater cannot change it ?

    Who knows, if it isn't MGs or Playtechs marketing strategy to promote mew machines.

    All know how a real good seesion with big winnings "burns itself into the brain of a gambler". You want to have that again, AGAIN !! You know it is possible...


    However, I respect a statistical measurement more then my own feeling (for the matter of gambling !).

    But I don't know your recordings, nor how valid they are. Can I see them somewhere ?

    THX
     
  18. Mar 31, 2008
  19. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    Norway
    Exactly!

    There are three camps between the gamblers. Those who believe they do manipulate, cheat, distort or whatever you would like to call it. Those who believe they don't, true randomness, and those who agree there are some strange patterns to be seen where they shouldn't be seen - however they cling to statistical anomalies as an explernation.

    If you look at my posts you will quite easily find which camp I av advocating for. I feel this is almost like discussing 9/11 - believing the government did it is makes the reality so harsh and bad you simply cannot except this as a reason. Likewise with manipulating the RNG - since our gut feeling tells us there is someting going on - excepting it is renders yourselv an idiot for still playing... Nobody want's to be an idiot - so in short - believing they are cheating is not an option. After all - I'm no fool! Lol! We all are!

    Anyways, I tend to agree with you that new slots (also in real casinoes) tend to have better payout in the beginning. This is only logical since you want to build a userbase for the slot, then you get it back later.
     
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  20. Mar 31, 2008
  21. pacers31

    pacers31 Banned Used - Repetitive violations of <a href="ht

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    Snowkatt, you of all people know this.....STAY AWAY FROM COUPONS!!! LOL!
     
  22. Apr 13, 2008
  23. poser

    poser Experienced Member

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    Hamburg
    This is exactly what I think of. It would make pretty much sense to start a new slot with, lets say, 110 %, and then lower it all way down to 95 %.

    Its like a promo. And why not lower the payout down to 90 % after, just to get an average of 96 %. Not forbidden, or is it ?

    Where did anyone of you read in terms that the payouts of Slots are fixed ? Or that all Slots pay same ? Nowhere ! (Or please show me !!!)

    For RTG it is known that the operator can change the payout of the Slots.

    For Rival and some others, there are fixed payouts given in the help files of the Slots. So, why not for MG and Playtech ?

    I DONT SAY THEY CHEAT. NO !

    If they dont say their Slots payouts are fixed, they dont cheat if it is not...

    But they dont answer my questions for that, whether Playtech, nor MG.
     
  24. Apr 14, 2008
  25. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

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    Norway
    I would say they do! And to be honest, if I was one of the owners of a casino I would do the same - so would you! Or maby you do not want a bigger house, a brand new car, money to burn? It's so easy since people infact throw money at you! The beauty of this scam, it's impossible to detect since it's proprietary software. We are talking random numbers and you only need to skew so little to make your profit be guaranteed.

    Good for us the people at Enron and all the other healthy companies dosn't work in the gambling industry... HUH
     
  26. Apr 14, 2008
  27. paul02085

    paul02085 Senior Member

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    I do not really know if online casinos cheat. I am inclined to say that MG, Rivals, etc do not cheat simply because they do not need to. They will win anyway. Also, i will say i am sure online slots pay me better than B&M slots. I am positive about that. So if the online slots are cheating the B&Ms must really cheat, LOL.:)
     
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  28. Apr 14, 2008
  29. rizlaa123

    rizlaa123 Dormant account

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    i noticed about a year ago when i started playing MG casinos that when i signed up to a new casino i would always hit the bonus rounds in about 15 spins, i decided to try this out, i started opening accounts at every MG casino i could find and in the space of a week i had found that dogfather, dolphins tale, elemental and i few others hit on the first few spins, as i moved through casinos i just kept happening, the 9 line thunderstruck and tally ho style slots didnt work in this way, but as i increased my deposits and bets i won some serious money(to me anyway) on my week off work when i tryed this i started with 300 in my neteller account and won around 8000 profit, i only lost on 2 casinos one of them was maple casino and the other was jackpots in a flash casino, but of course when i continued to play with later depoisits i started losing, im not saying there fixed ofcourse but it would make sense to let a new player win on his first deposit, maybe...:confused:
     
  30. Apr 14, 2008
  31. shadow123

    shadow123 Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    programmer
    Location:
    midlands
    Like others say MG dont need to manipulate percentages, most new machines will get played well when they are first released.
    They say first impressions count,I couldnt go wrong on Osbournes,Dolphin
    Tale and Hitman when they first came out but they dont seem to play as well
    now.I think luck just happened to be on my side when first played them.
    Some of the latest releases like sure win and gypsy queen have played dire for me and I would not be tempted to play ever them again,so it re-enforces
    my view that the machines are not manipulated.
     

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