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Rusty

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After winnig the jackpot the day previously on the loaded slot I got to thinking.Not something I do often.
When you go back to a slot you have played previously the reels are the same as you left them on your last spin which I assume means each player is allocated their own slot when they join.If this is the case does that mean a slot you have won the Jackpot on is less likely to payout or is each spin a random individual event.Obviously the Casino needs to have a profit margin and most slots are advertised at around 96% payout but having a curious nature I wondered how the software incorporates this 4% margin into the game.
Let me say clearly that I have found all the slots I have played to be fair and I am not suggesting there is anything underhand going on I just think it is a legitimate and interesting question.Please let me know your thoughts.
 

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Congratulations on your jackpot win Rusty! :thumbsup: As for your question? I have no clue but I was always under the impression that another big win could hit again as each spin is a random event. Here's hoping you find out that this is true! ;)
PS: not to be nosy (although I am lol) how much did you hit for? I am jealous 4 sure!!
 

Rusty

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Thanks

Hey thanks man but the sad truth is i was only playing 45p a spin(9 lines at 5p) and the max I play is 1.50 a spin>no highroller here im afraid.
I got 4 ladies(frizzy haired ones :D) and that dude in the white suit(wild) on the free spin feature.I opted for 24 spins at*2, wonder if I would of hit at 12spins * 4? grrr
Anyway as I remember it was about 250 (5000 coins i think) for the spin but I would have to check the paytable and work it out to know for sure.
Incidentally this was during an 18 hour session of slot playing at the same stakes and I won at least 10 payouts of over 100 and many more between 50 and 100 at one stage I thought it was a dream as my luck usualy stinks.
If it was not for popping back and forth on the roulette I would of cleared well over 1K on the slots on that night.I ended up winning 450 on the session but must have lost at least 800 on the roulette.Doubt I will ever have another night like it but it was great while it lasted.
 

paul02085

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Nice win Rusty. Re slots, think of it as a big wheel with like a thousand possibilities. Of these there is 1 that is the top jackpot and 900 that are losers and the rest are other smaller wins.

So when you spin the reels you have 1 chance of the big jackpot on every spin.

This is how i understand it to work.
 

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Rusty said:
If this is the case does that mean a slot you have won the Jackpot on is less likely to payout or is each spin a random individual event.

Each spin is random....previous wins/losses won't influence the game at all....if they did, I'd be a tad bit worried :thumbsup:
 

Rusty

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That is how I hope it works but how do you know this? I have done a little programming in my time and I think it is more likely that all wins and losses are predetermined to a certain extent though this may well be different for the progressive Jackpot. My guess and it is a guess would be that each slot has several modes of play varying from "you will have this win" to "pure random" to "Your not having a penny till I have made my profits"
Only the Microgaming programmers know for sure and I doubt they will be forthcoming with their secrets.
True random slots of the nature you suggest are possible to programme it is just a matter of calculating the odds of each individual win etc but I think the reason the casinos love us to play the slots is the certainty that they will win.
Ask yourself why the majority of bonus offers promote slot playing.
 

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Rusty said:
That is how I hope it works but how do you know this? I have done a little programming in my time and I think it is more likely that all wins and losses are predetermined to a certain extent though this may well be different for the progressive Jackpot. My guess and it is a guess would be that each slot has several modes of play varying from "you will have this win" to "pure random" to "Your not having a penny till I have made my profits"
Only the Microgaming programmers know for sure and I doubt they will be forthcoming with their secrets.
True random slots of the nature you suggest are possible to programme it is just a matter of calculating the odds of each individual win etc but I think the reason the casinos love us to play the slots is the certainty that they will win.
Ask yourself why the majority of bonus offers promote slot playing.


Assuming the slots play like B&M casinos (Which they should IMHO), they will play like I stated above....

I saw a documentary on it, and they had experts explaining how they worked....what you were describing was what they considered a "myth"...
 

Rusty

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AH ok wish I had seen that documentary it sounds interesting.I suppose I considerd they might play like real life slots where the %payout can be simply increased or decreased meaining the results are pre-programmed but I guess there is no reason why this should be the case.

Each day I am enlightened, probably because I never get any wiser;)
 

paul02085

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Rusty said:
AH ok wish I had seen that documentary it sounds interesting.I suppose I considerd they might play like real life slots where the %payout can be simply increased or decreased meaining the results are pre-programmed but I guess there is no reason why this should be the case.

Each day I am enlightened, probably because I never get any wiser;)

Rusty, to use the "big wheel" analogy i mentioned above. Real life slots work the same way. The casino can change the payout % by using a different "chip" as the online casino can change the payout % by selecting the % (at least RTG casinos can).
What this means in both cases is that if they want to payout less % then there are more blank spaces (losers) on the big wheel.
The spin in both cases is random but the number of blanks (losers) is higher if they want to payout less and lower (which causes more winners) if they want to payout more.
The payout % is simply a function of how many blanks are on the wheel out of the total number of spaces.

Therefore the results are not "pre-programmed" its just there are more blanks (losers) on the wheel so the odds of landing on a loser are higher.
I hope that makes sense.:)
 

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You have exactly the same chance of hitting the jackpot again the next spin. Or at least, if you don't have the same chance, the game isn't fair.

This idea, that slots have different mood type settings like 'I'm paying', 'I'm not paying', 'I'm treading water' etc is just erroneous in my mind. It's surely a perception you get when spinning a slot and having a particular result, but there's no incentive for a casino to do this.

They can have a completely random slot that reliably achieves x% payout over a big enough number of trials and anything else would in fact be much much MORE difficult to program (and completely unnecessary). The only imaginable advantage to weighting a slot like this would be if a casino was underfunded and wanted to kill variance, although their long term payout would be exactly the same.

I doubt this is happening at all, but I'd be absolutely amazed if it's happening at any sizable casino. There's no reason to do it, it'd be way more difficult to do, and nobody would like it. Futher evidence that no weighting occurs, in the case of the big casinos, is the variation in payout % from month to month, they'd be much more likely to be identical if weighting was happening.
 
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