Slots of vegas not paying winnings

[anysuited]

Here is the case.

Registered to www.slotsofvegas.com 23th of february and started playing.. Busted a 200$ and returned 11th of March because of their email bonus campaign.

Won a nice amount and requested a withdrawal of 1262$ the same day. Left additional 250$ to my account. Sent the required documents and security fax back form 15th of march. Today got an email that my withdrawal of 300$ will be processed.

They told me the following,


Please wait for a site operator to respond.
Thank you for using our LiveChat Service. This is 'Xxxx'. How can I help you?
planezwalker: could you please tell me what is happening in my account_
Xxxx: Hi there
Xxxx: Can I have your username please?
XXXXXXXXXXX: 3/21/2007 5:55:05 PM Cash Deposit - WU Withdrawal Declined $1,262.00
XXXXXXXXXXX: planezwalker
XXXXXXXXXXX: 3/21/2007 5:55:47 PM Manager Withdrawal Approved! ($1,212.00
XXXX: let me check on that for you
XXXXXXXXXXX: 3/21/2007 5:56:44 PM Neteller Withdrawal Approved! ($300.00)
XXXX: one moment please
XXXXXXXXXXX: ???
XXXX: we will refunds all your deposits
XXXX: since we do not allow players from finland taking bonuses
XXXXXXXXXXX: and why exactly_
XXXXXXXXXXX: and since when
XXXXXXXXXXX: it is ok when i lose but when i win you steal my money?
XXXX: since a long time ago .
XXXX: we will refund all deposits .
XXXX: don't worry
XXXX: we don't have to monitor accounts as stated on the web site .
XXXXXXXXXXX: can you state the day that you banned finnish players?
XXXX: within the next 24-72 hours
XXXX: sure
XXXX: it was before you started playing .
XXXXXXXXXXX: what date? my friend told me about this casino and he got his bonus

another operator enters.

XXXXX: As of October 2, 2004
XXXXX:

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

XXXXX: Rule 6.
XXXXX: We also added this rule...
XXXXX: NO BONUS ALLOWED (Including FREE VIP Chips):
XXXXX: for players in Finland on the 1st of this month
XXXXX: You can see that here...
XXXXX:

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

Ok. Prismcasino is a sister casino of slotsofvegas, should not affect this issue. And then another hour of Hold ons and This conversation is overs. Then found an interesting thing, google had cached their website the following day to my withdraw request.


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At the cached page you can see that the main site is linked to that address. Also putting

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

to google and looking through the Cached pages, you can see that I am right.

No mention about finland. They changed the terms this week, shouldnt affect my situation.

I was referred to this casino by a friend, and finally when they realized I had proof that they were lying about the date of terms change, they told me that I am part of a group. And that being finnish was the easiest reason to explain.

Could someone please help me with this issue?

Last word from casino support, probably a support manager of some sort (the support gave me his direct address), was that they will refund my deposits, and keep the remaining 962$, although the reason for withelding winnings was changed.

I have screenshots of both my account and chat transcripts, and I have saved all the cached pages to my HD, in case they get overwritten in google servers.

Any help appreciated!

 

[vinylweatherman]

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Here is the case.

Registered to www.slotsofvegas.com 23th of february and started playing.. Busted a 200$ and returned 11th of March because of their email bonus campaign.

Won a nice amount and requested a withdrawal of 1262$ the same day. Left additional 250$ to my account. Sent the required documents and security fax back form 15th of march. Today got an email that my withdrawal of 300$ will be processed.

They told me the following,


Please wait for a site operator to respond.
Thank you for using our LiveChat Service. This is 'Xxxx'. How can I help you?
planezwalker: could you please tell me what is happening in my account_
Xxxx: Hi there
Xxxx: Can I have your username please?
XXXXXXXXXXX: 3/21/2007 5:55:05 PM Cash Deposit - WU Withdrawal Declined $1,262.00
XXXXXXXXXXX: planezwalker
XXXXXXXXXXX: 3/21/2007 5:55:47 PM Manager Withdrawal Approved! ($1,212.00
XXXX: let me check on that for you
XXXXXXXXXXX: 3/21/2007 5:56:44 PM Neteller Withdrawal Approved! ($300.00)
XXXX: one moment please
XXXXXXXXXXX: ???
XXXX: we will refunds all your deposits
XXXX: since we do not allow players from finland taking bonuses
XXXXXXXXXXX: and why exactly_
XXXXXXXXXXX: and since when
XXXXXXXXXXX: it is ok when i lose but when i win you steal my money?
XXXX: since a long time ago .
XXXX: we will refund all deposits .
XXXX: don't worry
XXXX: we don't have to monitor accounts as stated on the web site .
XXXXXXXXXXX: can you state the day that you banned finnish players?
XXXX: within the next 24-72 hours
XXXX: sure
XXXX: it was before you started playing .
XXXXXXXXXXX: what date? my friend told me about this casino and he got his bonus

another operator enters.

XXXXX: As of October 2, 2004
XXXXX:

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

XXXXX: Rule 6.
XXXXX: We also added this rule...
XXXXX: NO BONUS ALLOWED (Including FREE VIP Chips):
XXXXX: for players in Finland on the 1st of this month
XXXXX: You can see that here...
XXXXX:

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

Ok. Prismcasino is a sister casino of slotsofvegas, should not affect this issue. And then another hour of Hold ons and This conversation is overs. Then found an interesting thing, google had cached their website the following day to my withdraw request.


Outdated URL (Invalid)

At the cached page you can see that the main site is linked to that address. Also putting

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

to google and looking through the Cached pages, you can see that I am right.

No mention about finland. They changed the terms this week, shouldnt affect my situation.

I was referred to this casino by a friend, and finally when they realized I had proof that they were lying about the date of terms change, they told me that I am part of a group. And that being finnish was the easiest reason to explain.

Could someone please help me with this issue?

Last word from casino support, probably a support manager of some sort (the support gave me his direct address), was that they will refund my deposits, and keep the remaining 962$, although the reason for withelding winnings was changed.

I have screenshots of both my account and chat transcripts, and I have saved all the cached pages to my HD, in case they get overwritten in google servers.

Any help appreciated!

Just had a trawl through the rules, they have some EVIL rules that even allow them to apply max cashout to deposits WITHOUT any bonus attached.
The rule quoted for Finland ONLY applies to bonuses OVER 100%, Finnish players should have no trouble with 100% or less.
It looks like this is RTG, but can't see any admission of this, nor who owns them.

 

[The Dude]

...It looks like this is RTG, but can't see any admission of this, nor who owns them.

Old URL

 

[anysuited]

The rule quoted for Finland ONLY applies to bonuses OVER 100%, Finnish players should have no trouble with 100% or less.

I played with 250% bonus. The point is, they added Finland to the list of bonus restricted/banned countries AFTER I deposited/played/withdrawed.

 

[Thralas]

They are blatantly lying. Exact the same thing happened according to someone from the Netherlands. He's aware of this topic and will possibly post his experiences as well.

 

[kempe]

Yes here I am, exact the same story:

That is interesting, I have the same problem with SoV when getting my winnings from february, and also found out that the Google cache proves I'm right that where changing there terms AFTER 12 march, but they tell us it goes in from the 1th march.

My story:

- I signed up on 1th march at Slots of Vegas. Deposited 100 and got a bonus and got busted.
- on 5 march I get an email with a nice reload. I deposit 200 and play for the wagering requirements. On 7 march I witdraw 2400 dollars (bonus already deducted). I wait for my payment to be done. Last sunday I get a neteller emailmessage that the witdrawal was canceled, and another email that I wil get back 300 dollars. No explaination whatsoever, but I guess there refunding my original deposits 100+200.


I tried contacting them by mail and livechat, only they would tell me that of 1th march some countries where banned.

I did some googling and found this for Slots of Vegas:

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they clearly added the link on the bottom of the page to "Read also Slots of Vegas's Terms and Conditions.

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At the complete bottom of the page (the part "Rules - Terms and conditions - etc), on the old page from Google cache the Terms and Conditions links to

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And on their updated page they link to

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And when you do a final search on Google for the page terms_conditions.asp -> the page is not found in the Google Cache, so it probably has been added after 12 March!!!


In my opinion they make a couple of mistakes:
- they try to refer to the terms and condiitions on the Prism Casino website. How could a new customer ever know he should be looking on the website of an other casino? (Even if they are sister casinos!)

- If they claim that from 1th march some countries are bonus banned, they should change their software that it doesn't allow redeeming coupons for that country. This looks very easy to me. But I could redeem a coupon on the 1th march and still on 5th March. They blame it on a system error, but I think you can't blame the system. You operate the casino and system, so it is the casinos mistake!

- they clearly didn't upload the new Terms to the website of Slots of Vegas on the 1th march. This has been done after 12 march. Again their mistake!

This is my conversation with Chris the manager:

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Thank you for using our LiveChat Service. This is 'Tony'. How can I help you?
henkman: hi
henkman: is chris the manager also overthere?
Tony: Hi there
Tony: one moment please
Please wait while I transfer the chat to 'Chris'.
Thank you for using our LiveChat Service. This is 'Chris'. How can I help you?
Chris: Hello, this is Chris.
henkman: hi chris
Chris: Hello
henkman: i would like to know why you only paid out my original deposit and not my winnings.
henkman: at the moment I deposited there was no mentioning of bonus banning people from The Netherlands
henkman: I sent you an email and would like to know who your going to deal with this...
henkman: are you still there?
Chris: I am here.
Chris: I am on several chats
Chris: One moment
Chris: There was mention of that at the time you deposited.
Chris: We updated the terms and conditions on the 1st of March, after you deposited.
Chris: Your deposit is being refunded, and I would recommend reading the terms and conditions before you download and start to play.
Chris: The new conditions went at the same time as the new web site.
henkman: I checked your terms again on 5th march and nothing was there at your site concercing the netherlands
henkman: and who did mention it to me when i deposited?
henkman: I even got screenshots and a copy of your website from around 12 march, and the terms considering The Netherlands where still not there!
Chris: That is not true and you know it.
Chris: This is not a dicsussion.
Chris: If you want to make false claims, do it to someone else.
Chris: I am the one who wrote the terms and conditions and I know when I put them up.
Chris: Your deposit has been refunded to you.
Chris: If you would like to continue playing with us, you can do so without bonuses.
Chris: I am sorry that you failed to read the terms and conditions of the casino.
henkman: Chris just check the Google cache and you will see that on 12 march the terms where still not on the website of Slots of Vegas!
Chris: Have a nice day.
henkman: Outdated URL (Invalid)
henkman: please check this and you will see that you don't put the terms and conditions on the website of slots of vegas
Chris: That is not a valid link.
henkman: Outdated URL (Invalid)
henkman: this is a valid link
Chris: The terms were on the web site and they went up at the same time Prism's did.
Chris: I am sorry, you deposit is refunded.
Chris: This conversation is over.
Chris: I have players that need my assistance.
Chris: Have a nice day.
henkman: Well ok, them I feel the need to contact CasinoMeister or Montana
Chris: Okay.
Chris: Feel free to do so.
Chris: You have no case for this dispute as you are altering facts.
henkman: i think you made the mistake to upload the new T&C to Prism casino and not to Slots of Vegas, and that is your mistake!
Chris: And, your deposit has been refunded, as is our right under the terms and conditions as they have always been.
Chris: Even if that was the case, the new terms would still apply.
Chris: As, even on the old terms and conditions, all updates apply
Chris: And, the fact that you were able to find an old link to an old page does not change the casinos rules.
Chris: All that does is confirms that you are the not the type of player we are looking for at this casino.
Chris: Your last sentence confirmed that.
henkman: of course not, who could anybody who is only playing at Slots of Vegas, need to read the Terms of Prism
Chris: You are very sneaky.
Chris: Touche
Chris: But they were uploaded on both.
Chris: And, let me post some other rules that have always been there...
henkman: now, the google page just proves it, and I checked it on 5 march and nothing was therer
Chris: You are part of a group of players from the Netherlands that exploited a mistake on one of our bonus coupons.
Chris: Let me show you some other rules that apply specifically to your situation...
Chris: 1. Promotions are intended as a bonus to loyal players, and to attract new end users to the Casino. The Casino encourages end users to participate in promotions, but to refrain from abusing them. Any abuse of a promotion that comes to the attention of the Casino may result in the cancellation of that promotion and/or future promotions
Chris: .
Chris: 5. The Casino reserves the right to review transaction records and logs, from time to time, for any reason whatsoever. If, upon such review, it appears that end users or any one or combination of them are participating in strategies which the Casino in their sole discretion deem to be abusive, the Casino reserves the right to revoke the entitlement of such end user(s) to the promotion. If an account is banned, locked or closed by the casino for one reason or another, the casino will then return only the latest deposit back to the customer within 30 days as stated by the casino's terms and conditions.
Chris: .
henkman: I'm sorry but that is YOUR mistake. I make the best of any bonus I can get, and I just play by the rules
Chris: 7. In the event of a dispute, the decision of the Casino will be considered final.
henkman: You made the rules and I played following your rules and fullfilled all the wagering requirements
Chris: .
Chris: No, you are part of a group of over 20 players that came in on that same bonus from your country.
Chris: That never happens.
henkman: this is very easy for you: if somebody loses this is ok. if somebody wins you just give them back their deposit.
Chris: You not only broke the casinos rules by taking bonuses, but you also broke the rules listed above.
Chris: Why don't you check to see how many player withdraw from our casino before you make a ridiculous claim like that.
henkman: Well I can't help that, I don't know any other players from the netherlands
Chris: Your deposit has been refunded and this discussion is over.
henkman: ok
henkman: I havent seen the refund
henkman: is that possible?
Chris: The decision will be considered final by us, Casinomeister and Montana
Chris: Have a nice day
Chat session has been terminated by the site operator.

He thinks that we are some kind of a syndicate in The Netherlands. What is the problem if several people from the netherlands sign up? They like new customer, and on a dutch gambling forum somebody mentioned this casino and that they had a great signup bonus, so of course several people signed up overthere!!!!

Will I ever get the winnings?

 

[kempe]

and I checked our old gambling forum and I found that the first time we talked about Slots of Vegas was after 7 march as far as i know. After this date a lot of people from the netherlands signed up at Slots of Vegas.

So I never believe that they changed there T&C on the 1th of march...

 

[kempe]

does anybody know if Prism and SoV still belong to the virtual group?

Because from the virtual site I have this:
Restriction of use: As of March 12, 2007, due to ongoing promotional abuse by players coming from certain countries, players from the following countries are only eligible to play in the casino, with no bonus over 100%. You must fulfill 30 times play through requirements on Blackjack and Video Poker and 20 times on all other games (deposit amt. plus bonus received) before withdrawal requests. All Bonuses over 30% are 10 times the deposit as maximum cash out.Bonuses are fully non-cashable. If you do redeem a bonus that does not conform to this rule, all winnings from that deposit will be null and void, and your deposit will be returned. The casino will not be monitoring non winning deposits. The countries that are affected are: Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Poland, Turkey and Israel.


And 12 march is not 1th march!

I didn't mention this to Chris the manager because my idea was that Prism and SoV weren't part of the virtual group anymore...

 

[anysuited]

Quoting google cached: (12th of march 2005)

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"Restriction of use: As of October 2, 2004, due to ongoing promotional abuse by players coming from certain countries, players from the following countries are only eligible to play in the casino, with no bonus over 100%. You must fulfill 30 times play through requirements on Blackjack and Video Poker and 20 times on all other games (deposit amt. plus bonus received) before withdrawal requests. All Bonuses over 30% are 10 times the deposit as maximum cash out.Bonuses are fully non-cashable. If you do redeem a bonus that does not conform to this rule, all winnings from that deposit will be null and void, and your deposit will be returned. The casino will not be monitoring non winning deposits. The countries that are affected are: Australia, Denmark, and Israel."

FINLAND not on the list. There were no restrictions to playes from Finland when I played. And did meet all their requirements.

Any suggestions what I should do next?

 

[The Dude]

does anybody know if Prism and SoV still belong to the virtual group?...

Please read my post above. The answer is yes.

 

[kempe]

ok that is a little good news I guess, because if their part of Virtual, I assume their following the same T&C and this rule has gone in from 12 march. And I played and withdraw from 5 till 7 march!

I will contact Virtual and Prism again, I hope they will listen

 

[vinylweatherman]

Finland

Rather looks like they are adding countries to the list, but leaving the "as from March 2004" bit, and then claiming that those countries have "always been excluded from these promotions".

This is just a novel way of invoking an "F U Clause" for when they don't like how someone has played. Slip in a new term, and then claim it has always been there and the player must have missed it.

The website looks nice and appealing, but also very dodgy. Figures it would turn out to be an outfit with the upstanding reputation of Virtual.


Addendum.
Just been spammed by Cirrus casino. They can go........................

 

[kempe]

I gave it a try at the prism chat:

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Thank you for using our LiveChat Service. This is 'Samantha'. How can I help you?
henkman: hi
henkman: just a question
Samantha: Ok
henkman: are you also part of the virtual casino group? Baecause I also played their, and I don't know if that is a problem??
Samantha: Yes we are in the same group
Samantha: but there's no problem you can have accountd with them and us
henkman: so the T&C from virtual group apply to prism casino?
Samantha: No
Samantha: Rules, websitees, terms and conditions are different
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Well I'm still sure that Chris from Prism is screwing around and that the terms weren't on his site untill 12 march or later!

Is this something for a PAB? Or won't that helps? I know of at least 4 people that have problems with SoV in March...

 

[martinbl]

SoV creating their own laws after the first excuses don't hold up

I also have problems with SoV, but in my case the tried 3(!) excuses in total which didn't hold up:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...s-after-the-first-excuses-dont-hold-up.17162/

 

[VIP_Lounge_Mgr]

Please read all threads

Dear Forum Members,

Finland has been restricted from bonuses since 2004, for the record. Only Netherlands was added to this list on the 1st of March. Samantha was mistaken on that one. I apologize for that error.

Please see thread...
https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...s-after-the-first-excuses-dont-hold-up.17162/

Thank you,

Christopher DiAngelo
Prism Casino, Slots of Vegas & VIP Lounge Manager

 

[anysuited]

Dear Forum Members,

Finland has been restricted from bonuses since 2004, for the record. Only Netherlands was added to this list on the 1st of March. Samantha was mistaken on that one. I apologize for that error.

Please see thread...
https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...s-after-the-first-excuses-dont-hold-up.17162/

Thank you,

Christopher DiAngelo
Prism Casino, Slots of Vegas & VIP Lounge Manager

That is not true. SoV terms did not state that Finland is a bonus restricted country. You changed the terms to the SoV website later on, and made false statements about the date of changing the terms.

Please see thread... (especially the SoV terms on march 16th 2007)
https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...s-after-the-first-excuses-dont-hold-up.17162/

SoV terms 16th of march says nothing about restricting finnish players from bonuses. I played in Feb and March, and made a withdraw 11th of March. And read the terms both times. You added Finland to the list and later claimed that it has been there since 2004.

Good business ethics u got there chris.