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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by muziq, Apr 21, 2015.

    Apr 21, 2015
  1. muziq

    muziq Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
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    Location:
    in your heart
    well as NETENT and mostly DOA is alive in i deposited 100 2 times with a 100% bonus
    and played DOA exclusively .... the last 200 i played marathon wagered the 5750
    out of 6000 almost 13k spins but no wildline or 5scatter at one point it took me to 500 from 80

    then i was about to do a 200 deposit i remembered lest read the terms first

    and i shockingly found out :(

    1) the bonus on 100% or above is wagering of D+B X30 man thats too much
    but to be fair i already know that so not much shocking but i added to show how
    insane the wagering requirement is :(

    2) ok down below i saw that " *Games produced by Net Entertainment Ltd and Williams Interactive Ltd will count 75% towards
    the wagering requirement" Damn what the crap you already set the wagering too high and now you saying 75% of your slots
    contribute only 75% in wagering now whats that ....


    3) went down below i then saw that "Bonus balance cannot be used in Jackpot games and/or Live Casino Games/ Live Dealer and the following Slots games,
    Blood Suckers™, Kings of Chicago™, Dead or Alive™, Devil's Delight™, The Wish Master™, Champion of the Track™, Robin Hood: Shifting Riches™, Jackpot 6000,
    Mega Joker If a player has bonus balance available it will not be shown in the balance while playing any of the aforementioned games.
    We reserve the right to add any games to this group of games.

    now whats that you already set the wagering so high ,you put most of your slots contribute less now you says we wont let you play high variance ones :D
    so cool

    and here i understood i spend my last 200 i deposited and long marathon session for nothing Ty DOA not giving me that wild line in 13k spins

    4) they offer only 100% bonus of deposits of 100 or 150 or more so if you take that u r done and then there is another clause
    "the max bet is just 5 " tahst too low

    they should remove all this terms and just write this line

    "If you are taken our bonus ya man you are done "

    enough ....

    Man i could have spend that 200 some where worth while ....
     
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  2. Apr 21, 2015
  3. kou187

    kou187 Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
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    wow!!! I already thought there 30 times deposit and bonus was a joke. But now they have reduced wms and net ent games to 75 percent towards the wagering its just beyond a joke now. Why would anyone want to play there now??? Slots magic were a joke but now they have taken the biscuit and become a laughing stock. I don't know how anyone can come to there defence for this BS!!!

    And lets not forget there ridiculous 48 hour pending period on withdrawals.
     
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  4. Apr 21, 2015
  5. spoton

    spoton Senior Member webmeister

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Right behind you
    I could live with the 30x Bonus + Deposit as they do give out 50-100% bonuses much more frequent than their competitors, but reducing the wagering to 75% + all those excluded games are just way to much for my part. Not to mention that you can't win over 100 with their freebies eventhough you deposited.
     
  6. Apr 22, 2015
  7. ugaboga

    ugaboga Casino Addict

    Occupation:
    Information Technology, Day Trader
    Location:
    Australia
    Casinos are a business like any other, they don't want to lose a dime. Of course they're going to make the bonus offers near fool-proof for them, barring the odd lucky chap.

    Hence we see the addition of further terms, increase in wagering requirements, etc.

    Kudos to BGO which IMO has the best wagering requirements on deposit bonuses in the industry.
     
  8. Apr 22, 2015
  9. LOOKAWAY

    LOOKAWAY Senior Wember PABnonaccred

    Location:
    England
    DOA contributes 70% towards wagering at Leo Vegas and I think I have seen that rule at another casino amongst very few Netent's I have been around.

    I understand why devil's delight is unplayable as the collection of bonus gets you to the big round.

    But here's the thing I was at Casino Luck earlier reading the rules and there were some slots excluded and they were just blocked you couldn't play them. I wish they would do the same for bet size to.

    I was also told by Leo Vegas support that wagering less than 5 cents/pence would break the bonus rules. "14.The maximum bet allowed when using a bonus (until wagering requirements are met) is £5 per spin and £0.5 per bet line."

    I thought the "£0.5 per bet line." was you can't have your slot set at 0.5 denomination.

    "13.Players from the UK are not permitted to place bets of 25% or more of the deposited amount in a single gaming round. Players deemed to be adopting such a strategy could potentially have their winnings removed."

    Other slot's set at 70% Leo Vegas. "Bets placed at the following Slots will contribute 70% towards the wagering requirements: Blood Suckers, Dead or Alive, Devils Delight, Safari Madness, Pirate's Gold, Magic Love, Beetle Frenzy."
     
  10. Apr 22, 2015
  11. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    By complete coincidence I got approached by another new casino today with these EXACT same T&Cs - asking me to list them on my website...
    Naturally I told them where to shove it!
    Casinos who treat their players with such contempt and have the audacity to call this crap a "bonus" don't deserve the time of day IMHO.

    I can understand them prohibiting Progressive Jackpot games, and those where you can "save up" features for later use (like Devil's Delight & Wish Master), but WHY Blood Suckers, DoA & Kings of Chicago? And as for Robin You: Shafting Your Riches... obviously they have never played this game themselves! :eek:

    KK
     
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  12. Apr 25, 2015
  13. muziq

    muziq Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
    govt
    Location:
    in your heart
    on chat they said with bonus cant play the branded slots also so may be some otehr games excluded

    and the terms shows bonus balance not shows on non permitted games games but when i played DOA all my balance was visible

    may be we can play the slots with cash balance

    hope the rep will clarify it
     
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2015
  14. Apr 25, 2015
  15. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Why?

    It was the perfect way to guarantee that players could not breach the rules, important given that there is often no logic behind the arbitrary and ever changing lists of prohibited games.

    Even if you ARE still allowed to play the cash balance, the bonus balance being transferred to the game still opens the way to an accidental spin too many.

    Branded slots is another illogical rule, they are not "special" in that they pay better than non branded, can be "manipulated" more easily, etc. The other problem with "branded" is that not all players are aware of what is actually a brand, or simply a particularly well thought out name. Take "Rapunzel". An old fairy tale, but is it a "brand". RTG clearly thought it was as they originally had the slot "Rapunzel", but changed it to "Roberta's castle" for "legal reasons". Curiously, the "Rapunzel" slot has reappeared elsewhere, so not everyone has such legal concerns over a centuries old fairy tale character.
    It could be the same for Santa, of which the now traditional red coat and white beard image is an old Coke inspired "brand" used in early advertising.

    Other brands may be missed because they are not global, so whilst it may be obvious to some that a slot is "branded", to others it is no more "branded" than "Roberta's castle".


    It makes it look like casinos do NOT want players to get so familiar with the rules that they stop making mistakes, so every few months something is changed as quietly as possible in order to catch some players out, and to allow some confiscations of winnings to continue as part of the overall business plan. It seems this also leads to an increase in unreliable advice from CS who have not kept up with the changes in the terms.


    There is considerable resistance within the industry towards the development of a client that prevents players from breaking any rules, and it is worrying that one such safeguard has now been REMOVED here.
     
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  16. Apr 25, 2015
  17. muziq

    muziq Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
    govt
    Location:
    in your heart
    sorry vinyl i mean "not" that was a bad typo


    but the thing is some restricted games the bonus balance dont show ... but in some they said restricted it shows so add upto confusion

    but in terms they say DOA not allowed and bonus bal wont be shown

    but when i played bonus bal was shown thats why i played

    ya i agree with you most ppl dont know about branded slots
     
  18. Apr 25, 2015
  19. osulle

    osulle Ueber Meister CAG mm4 mm1

    Occupation:
    life
    Location:
    Northern hemisphere
    Personally I think Slotsmagic should be removed from the accredited list. They were approved based on reasonable t&c's. Seems like all that has changed now with extremely high WR and excluded games. I thought the previous 30 d+b was high but now it's downright ridiculous. Just my opinion:D
     
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  20. Apr 25, 2015
  21. peezo13

    peezo13 Experienced Member PABnonaccred

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    Scotland
    I couldn't agree with you more. Personally i will never play there again
     
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  22. Apr 25, 2015
  23. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Location:
    United Kingdom
    DOA Branded?

    Not allowed but bonus balance shows!!

    This looks like messing players around just for the sake of it, and in the process tripping the unwary up because they have gotten used to certain things (such a bonus balance not showing for prohibited games), which have now quietly been changed to add to the confusion.


    I remember when a slots bonus was a "plain vanilla slots bonus", and was one sure way players could steer clear of the pitfalls of having to worry about whether their table game play would be deemed "not in the spirit of the bonus" for what was advertised as a "bonus for all games", but with a pretty clear intent of the casino using the games chosen to determine the motivation of the player. In those days, Blackjack players had to be wary because it was also the game of choice for advantage players, who wouldn't go near the slots because in general their RTP was insufficient to give them a reliable enough conversion of bonuses to withdrawable cash.

    Now ALL table games tend to be prohibited, and casinos are not even satisfied with that, so they have to start implementing ever more complex restrictions on slots, and for a few, this STILL isn't enough, so out come the "maximum withdrawal is 6x your deposit" variations, as though winning more than 6x your deposit is enough to convict someone of "advantage play intent" in the eyes of the casino.

    What next, even THINKING of playing a prohibited game will be enough cause to confiscate winnings, perhaps measured by whether or not the pointer hovers too long over the link for a game that is prohibited.

    We have prohibitions on "branded" slots, slots from a specific provider, based on number of lines, max bet, min bet, difference between highest bet and lowest, time taken to play, length of session, etc. If some of the ACTUAL terms now were posted a few years ago, people would have interpreted them in the same way they would interpret the satire clauses like "must play wearing a blue hat on a Thursday", or "DNA sample needed for KYC"

    So, not even the "insane" WR is enough, the few lucky players that might beat them are STILL too much for the casino to bear, they need to ensure NOONE can actually beat a bonus. Looked at this way, some logic behind these terms seems to appear. The changes have nothing to do with science at all, but are a response to how those players that beat a bonus have done so. In doing so, the casinos have established unscientific cause and effect relationships, and used these to change the terms. They may have seen bonuses being beaten by players that play branded slots, but this does not consider whether this is a true cause and effect, or whether players selected the branded slots simply because they carried a known brand, and were therefore seen as a more satisfying experience of "entertainment". The "effect" of bonus players beating the bonus on these slots being down to the preference for playing them overall, rather than there being anything about these slots that made it easier to beat the bonuses.
    The fact that casinos never seem to get it right, and are forever adding to, and tweaking, the rules, also shows that a non scientific approach has been taken, and that as players change their play because of the rule changes, the lucky ones simply start beating the bonuses with luck on other allowed games. Ban this new set of games, and again players will still get lucky on what's left. The danger is that players will no longer feel it's worth depositing where they "are not actually allowed to play ANY of the good games", and so the casino will achieve it's objective, but because no-one is depositing any longer, rather than because they have finally outlawed all the games that can be "manipulated" by clever players.

    The worst thing is that these changes are slipped in without notification in most cases, and done so at random times, so not even a regular schedule of checking for changes is enough to steer clear of falling foul.
     
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  24. Apr 25, 2015
  25. spoton

    spoton Senior Member webmeister

    Occupation:
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    Location:
    Right behind you
    In my opinion, being accredited or not should be a rating of a sites ethics and morale,rather than the offers. Sure you can say they have a high WR, but atleast for me, they give out lots of more bonuses than other sites on here. Well excluded games sucks, but they ain't the only one having that. Not to mention that they have also implemented a feature that should stop you from being trapped unlike som sites who wouldn't tell you before you decided to withdraw.

    That being said, I wont go near them again with these terms.
     
  26. Apr 25, 2015
  27. PCJACKPOT2008

    PCJACKPOT2008 Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Pokerplayer
    Location:
    Sweden
    They offer bonuses frequently because the terms are awful towards their players. It's no where near "fair" terms. How can you not see that?

    JackpotParty was my favorite site but I havent played one spin at SlotsMagic.
     
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  28. Apr 26, 2015
  29. osulle

    osulle Ueber Meister CAG mm4 mm1

    Occupation:
    life
    Location:
    Northern hemisphere
    When they were in the BBF section they changed their terms to allow WMS games being played on a bonus. This was in response to players input. Now that they are accredited they change the terms quietly without notification. When terms change to this degree players are usually notified and that was not the case here. They should be removed from the accredited list because there was no notification of the changes and to boot I don't think any other casino on the list has these crazy terms. Maybe a few exclude jackpot games which is fine. The Slotsmagic rep should have come on here and state that their terms have changed but they did not. All this is my opinion but I tell you something Slotsmagic will never get another penny from me. So I vote with my feet.
     
  30. Apr 26, 2015
  31. t4llek

    t4llek Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    bartender
    Location:
    portugal
    they got me on one time with the 100% i did a few spins and saw their rules afterwards, yeah i get it i messed up, but in my ingenuity i waited for 4 days for a reponse from them, even called me to congratulate for my win :D, a week later winnings void and my 100 deposit back to the account, i dont mind they voiding winnings because i broke the bonus rules, thats fine, i just hate when they are shady as fuck to make u think ur gona get paid and then just email u a week later saying oops sorry u made a few spins higher than allowed, cool void my shit i lost 1500 but u lost maybe 3 times that that i would be willing to play, i dont get this kind of scumbag attitude from 32red, paddy, unibet, when sothing is wrong i was allways notified not a week later but on point, so these dudes wont see another cent from me.
     
  32. Apr 26, 2015
  33. spoton

    spoton Senior Member webmeister

    Occupation:
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    Location:
    Right behind you
    So how about simply letting players choose whether they want a decent bonus once a month with 30x WR, or 5 times a month with terrible WR? I like WMS games and can pretty much choose between a Betsson brand that haven't given me a bonus after losing around 10 straight deposits, or Slotsmagic where I know i can pick a 100% with pretty bad terms, or a 50% with 30x WR.

    I can agree with t4lltek that it is not very nice not to notify their players about such big changes though. But still, the fact that they have implemented a feature that stops you from playing illegal games, and doesen't mention that winnings will be void if that feature doesen't work, makes them alot better than alot of casinos that will void your winnings if you play a single round of BJ or so.
     
  34. Apr 30, 2015
  35. AnnaTS

    AnnaTS Experienced Member MM

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    Location:
    England
    I doubt i will deposit there again i didn't know that wms games only contributed 75% towards wagering now which is strange because they had mostly wms slots, so that must of been a recent change aswell.

    Anna
     
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  36. Apr 12, 2016
  37. jsbag

    jsbag Newbie member

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    Location:
    Portugal
    Bringing this thread from the dead, sorry, but I was going to deposit on slot's magic and found this.
    Are they better with the bonus now ( was it seems by their terms) or are players slit having troubles with this casino? thank you.
     
  38. Apr 12, 2016
  39. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Self- Employeed
    Location:
    Wolverhampton
    Yeah I just 'Thanked' an OP from nearly a year ago, didn't clock the '2016' bit, kind of gives it away I suppose :p

    Glad that it has been bumped tho as I checked and I have an account with these guys yet I've never made a single deposit!

    Doing a lot of shopping around lately as a low roller with an ever decreasing budget ATM so need some nice deposit matches.

    Won't be taking this on tho if things have not changed from what is detailed in OP - Shocking.

    I'd stand more chance of winning 'Britain's Got Talent' with my various pathetic impressions than beating that SOAB lol!
     

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