Slots Fairness Discussion (Cut from Other Thread)

[dionysus]

what on Earth leads you to beleive Trance is my 'only' source', 'newbie member'?

 

[Bloatgoat]

Come'on man, you are no match for me. I'm having you for breakfast now and i'll take you for dinner as well.

 

[goatwack]

I'm still the 'good' goat in all of this, right?

 

[dionysus]

It seems what you mostly subside on are insults and tinfoil hat theories

 

[dionysus]

I'm still the 'good' goat in all of this, right?

good being relative of course

 

[Bloatgoat]

It seems what you mostly subside on are insults and tinfoil hat theories

Ok. Let me give you a brief answer on this one. Natasha Dow Schüll is someone who follows the gambling industry perhaps 2/3 of her life. She makes study's and spends her time on primarily the slot industry. You can pretty much assume on what she has to tell it's pretty much close to the truth. That is my source, someone who's in a world from where it's designed and all happens. Here, take a brief look in a interview, on what she has to say:



If that does not make any sense to you then you should be aware that your world of slots is'nt so bright and genuine as you think it is. When i say a billion dollar industry, it means that slot designers will do alot to keep players playing. I do not believe that every spin is random. If that was the case, how could a slot then not exceed the pre-set RTP? Answer me this. I'll give you a quick note; it's because it's designed in the maths. To give you a false sense of information with the use of certain triggers and what not. You dont have to believe me on what i say, you shoud'nt. But there are more people like who have a genuine disbelief on how slots work and this above is pretty much straight an answer to it.

I'm still the 'good' goat in all of this, right?

We all love you man.

 

[dionysus]

Silly me - I've only been involved here listening to people like Bryan, Enzo, Igor, Dan, Tance and dozens of others in the field - every side, sharing and explaining, whereas there's generally a tinfoil hat wearing newbie who appears once in every while, goes on a tiriade about how it's all fixed, still continues to play, then, ultimately fades away.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Yeah perhaps because i realise it's not so good as you or others with a "higher RTP then landbased" comparison is. Please keep believing and play all you want. Go ahead man. I wonder how many times you gambled more then you could afford, lol.

I actually can, knowing i have my own business with 70+ clients for over 8 years. I make more a month then you do in half a year. Have a nice day.

 

[TheAddict]

Bloat.

Was a vip online. Suggests in itself that could have spent anything upto 5x as much time playing online compared to b&m to acheive the status. Then Wonders why loses alot in the long run.
Hmm,. Makes me think, maybe v&j or trada will put me up in a hostel for my bad luck there. Or a tent at least.

You say you move on when you know a slot is dead and soon leave iirc when lucky quickly at b&m? Almost like you (lol) know a winning strategy.
But you started with 50 recently online, got it upto 1300 and didnt think of taking the money? Why? 26xstarting balance, do you get that kind of return often from only having 50 bucks and a free steak while playing in b&m where some games dont even offer a chance to win a decent 5000x and so wasnt content enough and expected more? Do you sit in b&m playing for as many hours as you did when you went from 50-1300 and down and up and down and up..



" please stop talking about things you just guessed rather than based on facts"

You know nothing of dion or what he has self experienced or if he plays in b&m. Sounds like you play/have played alot online to assume all vip's will get decent handouts at the flick of a finger.
But you seem to assume you know dion is "guessing" even though you are guessing that he indeed is, while your previous comments are nothing more than proof that 1 persons small sample size means pretty much FA in the grand scheme of rtp and are themselves, guesses.

So the above line i quoted? Coming from someone who simply guesses while claiming its fact that he can know in a b&m casino if the slot is cold. That its a fact online is compensating in some way because you have claimed you can tell so. And you also claimed you know you have been compensated online and offline. God knows what other claims in here you gues... sorry, that you factually prooved.

Been gambling on compensated land based AWP games for nearly 30 years so my name speaks for itself, i play poker obviously as well. having started off a wreckless uneducated gambler on games that are were actually beatable, desiring enough to learn to at least try and get an advantage instead of just feeding an addiction , the same with poker. I lose online with slots, but i do it for fun at min bets and to feed an age old habit when i can afford it, you wont see me play a dime on random land based cadinos or roullete .. so yeah im an addict.
but IMPO, you come across as nothing more than a very stubborn addict, noticing tells (basically describing a play style advantage in some previous comments) from random events on a random game, while claiming it isnt even random. Quite a hypocritical stubborn addict today to.

Done with this thread. you were amusing for a while though, cheers.

 

[dionysus]

Actually, I never gamble more than I can afford - I treat slots as entertainment and not as a money making scheme...which further goes to show how little you know.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Bloat.

Long story quote

Ok. I started with gambling back when a relative passed away. It's very sad and unfrankly something we all have to deal with in life at some point. Some people do drugs, some people do alcohol, and some start going to the casino. Visiting the casino offered me some sort of hide away for a while while processing the loss of someone loved. I coud'nt help it. Looking at it back now i would defenitly make a different choice if i'd had the chance for it. The first period's of my time into the casino i was happy with going in with 50, having some drinks, food and if i'd make 20 profit i was happy walking away. Ofcourse you want to extend your boundry's at some point because winning just 20 becomes boring. Who does'nt recognize this pattern? I saw people winning money up to 400, 1200 and in some occasion even 2000. How the hell do they do it?

So here's where my quest started... I've discovered and learned alot about slots, which games to play, which not. In less then a half year i started to make profit on almost every visit i did. I said to my gf, look, this is crazy what is happening everytime. Friends, people would not believe me! As smart as i am or as i was, i knew when to play, and i knew when to walk away. Before i know even my friends and other guests who seen me more often, started doing the same as i was doing. I am not joking you. So after a year of my play the casino came to me, making me a VIP deal, and here i was, in a pretty closed club, with alot of benefits normal players would never get into their lifetime. As i progressed and actually became bored of winning 1000's, i improved my gameplay. This is something i stated here more and more often, that any trick is to win in a casino is with the profit you made FROM the casino.

Trust me; i've won a brand new car, a travelling cheque worth of 7500 euro, i've bin on holliday the last year for more then 7 times now to various country's, and i laugh my ass off parking, eating and given friends free alcohol if they wanted.

If i'd win a handpay of 1000, and i still have 200 of my own money, i'd take the 1000, and start playing big. If i lose, no big deal! I still had a thrill and some value for the money i spent. As someone once told me, this type of play can be considered as quick-sand. You go in deeper into the hole, win great, but have some days where losses are becoming more and more. You have to realise i make alot money and i can afford it. Wether you or others believe or not, i'll just keep it in between what my profession is. I always considered this as a sport, please keep this in mind. I am not an addict who spends his last money on earth just to play slots.

Now 3 years later, the missing of a relative is pretty much settled now. I can say with confident i had a real rough time the last 3 years. So is my 'appetite' for gambling moving away from me, which is a good thing. Because i know there is much more then gambling in life in where i could get my kicks, thrills and what more. Slots are not the answer to this. You say you want entertainment? I can think of 7 ways for entertainment now without spending one buck to a online casino.

I never went onto online play, because i did'nt like the setup and the horror stories that go along about these online casino's. When some friend came by asking to play slots on my computer, i've quickly gave it a try afterwards. I noticed, that the play is completely different and not even close to what landbased has to offer. For you people, who have a pretty terrible landbased market in the UK, i can understand that online would perhaps be a better sollution. But from where i come from, i can tell you you are being screwed online. So you have people in here who state yes but the RTP is higher online. Yes compared to the UK that might bin. But not in Holland, not in the USA and so on. RTP is just a number and it's proven that those numbers really mean jack shit compared to the amount of times you COULD win. Not taken the small-keep-you-busy wins involved.

My opinion is just that online is not so great as some of you claim in here. Poker was and perhaps is, substantially rigged. It was the biggest brand back in the days who got caught. Nobody has actual control on what a game provider can set for you or anyone else. Yes they are certified and RNG's are tested. But that does'nt really mean they could alter the maths in such a way. Are you guys stupid ?

Why would a world wide brand such as VW then mess around with tests to get their Diesels approved? Why woud'nt a online game provider and / or casino offer some same tricks? You have to remember that Germany for example, introduced alot of new rules a few years back, and they simply evaded the rules by adapting the slot, functionality and gameplay. Great for the people who are long runners in online slots and that their opinion might count for something, but that is not what i and a handfull of friends are experiencing. That makes us stupid? We deposit alot of money and we note that online is a worse play compared to landbased.

I work 60 hours a week. Forgive me. Landbased usually closes around 03:00AM and my job quits at 05:00. If i'd blow off steam i'd play online slots. And here is where i gain my experience from. The playing from 50 up to 1400 forth and back, frankly i'd care less if i'd lose the money, it's just more interesting why i am being blocked from exceeding that 1400, on every slot i tried, a wide variety of big bets. And i'm talking about all the games i tried before, just instantly gave bonusses like they never did.

You see, from a rational standpoint and with alot of playing hours i've done by now, i dont think that has anything todo with a random game. You guys might play for cents, i'm at 20 up to 40 euro a bet level. In 2 minutes i spend more then some of you in here could afford on 4 weeks basis.

 

[Casinomeister]

Aaaand this thread is forkified. I breezed through this and it's starting to become a troll bait thread.

@Bloatgoat - you need to chill and stop insulting your fellow members. I won't tolerate this - keep it up and see what happens.