Slots explained and why they are for losers

[steinhaug]

lol. here in jersey that gets you a garage.

Thanks for the insult! For most pople here in Norway that is like 20 years of labour to accomplish, remember the money is after tax have been payd!

Well, here in Norway you get a few houses for that sum! Or if you like, A big house, a boat, a house by the sea and a nice car! Surely you do not get this in 2008 prices, however i didn't loose all that money yesterday - most was past years were you got more your value on the money, we do have some inflation going on!

Still, at todays rate I could eaily buy 2 big ass houses and a nice Mercedes! And at the rate house prices are going now, well, you go figure.

 

[steinhaug]

I don't get it. You clearly are articulate and intelligent. So how have you dropped $700K on slots.

Have you ever wondered if the problem may infact lie with your strategy?

Whats to get? I am a compulsive gambler, had I had 10 million I would have gambled them aswell! Luckily I didn't!

regarding the strategy, online it was quite funny as the higher you gambled the more you won! Usually the first time you upped you won, and never again. However always. This way you steadily increased the wagering and therefore hit rock bottom quite fast.

My strategy has become far more advanced online, since I analyze playcheck data and are at the comfort of my own house and can therefore play at the speed you like, and at the wagers you like. However we all know we get beaten severely by the system - but why - because we are playing in the illusion it supposedly is random! We want so hard to believe this is true, so we play even more! After a while you played so much, you might aswell keep going since you must win anyway due to the overall %. It's a never ending spiral!

What I am saing here is old news, and very likely what most other gambling addicts does. I am not unique in any way, we have the game excitement over gambling! Only difference - I state it in plain words, I am not afraid of making a fool out of myself by stating it publically!

 

[1819]

Thanks for the insult! For most pople here in Norway that is like 20 years of labour to accomplish, remember the money is after tax have been payd!

Well, here in Norway you get a few houses for that sum! Or if you like, A big house, a boat, a house by the sea and a nice car! Surely you do not get this in 2008 prices, however i didn't loose all that money yesterday - most was past years were you got more your value on the money, we do have some inflation going on!

Still, at todays rate I could eaily buy 2 big ass houses and a nice Mercedes! And at the rate house prices are going now, well, you go figure.

lol. nj is a tough state to live in. high taxes, insurance, real estate. very tough state to live in. the u.s. is the same as anywhere else. depends where you live. my florida and new york homes combined do not cost me as much as my home does here and the closer you get to the city(ny) the more expensive it is. people shouldnt have to spend three quarters of a million on a townhouse but they do. a friend just spent 565 on a 1400 sq. ft. townhouse in nj. that same unit in florida would be 180. even in a buyers market, like today, location is everything...incidentally i almost came to your country in the early 90's when i was offered a contract to play hockey in eliteserien. i do not recall the team at the moment.

 

[aka23]

I like to be real with you people,I understand the house edge on every single game if you want true info check

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this has given me insight and understanding in every single game available by casinos,this site should also be affiliated with casinomeister,I was surprised that jacks or better video poker with a certain pay table offers a house edge lower than any other game,second is craps for the odds bet then there is baccarat assuming the commission is not over 5%,blackjack and single zero roulette are about the same and finally sic bo and pai gow poker check the site for yourselves the last thing I would play is slots... If you look at casino offers they offer 100% wagering reqs for slots and none or a slim % for video poker,blackjack,craps etc there is a reason And beware of hidden blackjack rules as every single rule raises or lowers the house edge and you will need to calculate with the rules what the house edge is,more decks mean lower payouts,hole cards mean higher house edges too not being able to split on aces is also a house edge raiser,only being able to double on 11 and not 10,9 is also a bad thing...Calculate house edges and pick your game

Anyways thats the tip of the iceberg on what the wizardofodds.com teached me

You might want to review the slots myths section on that site.

 

[DiamondGeezer]

Whats to get? I am a compulsive gambler, had I had 10 million I would have gambled them aswell! Luckily I didn't!

regarding the strategy, online it was quite funny as the higher you gambled the more you won! Usually the first time you upped you won, and never again. However always. This way you steadily increased the wagering and therefore hit rock bottom quite fast.

My strategy has become far more advanced online, since I analyze playcheck data and are at the comfort of my own house and can therefore play at the speed you like, and at the wagers you like. However we all know we get beaten severely by the system - but why - because we are playing in the illusion it supposedly is random! We want so hard to believe this is true, so we play even more! After a while you played so much, you might aswell keep going since you must win anyway due to the overall %. It's a never ending spiral!

What I am saing here is old news, and very likely what most other gambling addicts does. I am not unique in any way, we have the game excitement over gambling! Only difference - I state it in plain words, I am not afraid of making a fool out of myself by stating it publically!

Fair play for you to post in such an honest way. But if only you would study the maths you would know this is crazy talk! This is what AKA23 is saying also unless I am very much mistaken.

 

[kakata]

Fair play for you to post in such an honest way. But if only you would study the maths you would know this is crazy talk! This is what AKA23 is saying also unless I am very much mistaken.

you are

 

[winbig]

blackjack and single zero roulette are about the same

I want some of what you're smoking.

HA for single 0 roulette = 2.70%

HA For Blackjack (Some of the worst conditions: 8 deck shoe, dealer hits s17, player can't double after a split, can double only on 10&11 after the first 2 cards, can only resplit once, no-peek for blackjack (ie: you can lose a double even if the dealer has bj), no late surrender)

Even with these monstrosities, the HA is still only 1.12(rounded)%!

Hell, even if you threw in 6:5 for blackjack, the HA only jumps to 2.48%


Ideal conditions, you're looking around a .4% HA.

 

[DiamondGeezer]

So are you saying we should all stop playing slots then? If so we should all give the OP a lot of credit.

 

[winbig]

So are you saying we should all stop playing slots then? If so we should all give the OP a lot of credit.

Me? Nope...just pointing out the fact that that BJ's HA is nowhere near that of single 0 roulette

 

[DiamondGeezer]

WinBig I know you were and I respect your grasp of numbers. At the end of the day it is all about the numbers.

 

[CasinoKidd]

I like to be real with you people,I understand the house edge on every single game if you want true info check

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this has given me insight and understanding in every single game available by casinos,this site should also be affiliated with casinomeister,I was surprised that jacks or better video poker with a certain pay table offers a house edge lower than any other game,second is craps for the odds bet then there is baccarat assuming the commission is not over 5%,blackjack and single zero roulette are about the same and finally sic bo and pai gow poker check the site for yourselves the last thing I would play is slots... If you look at casino offers they offer 100% wagering reqs for slots and none or a slim % for video poker,blackjack,craps etc there is a reason And beware of hidden blackjack rules as every single rule raises or lowers the house edge and you will need to calculate with the rules what the house edge is,more decks mean lower payouts,hole cards mean higher house edges too not being able to split on aces is also a house edge raiser,only being able to double on 11 and not 10,9 is also a bad thing...Calculate house edges and pick your game

Anyways thats the tip of the iceberg on what the wizardofodds.com teached me

Racist.




















In all seriousness, you didn't tell us anything new. I play for fun, not to make money. I think that goes for most of us. (Besides KasinoKing, but I just don't have the mental capacity not energy or effort to pull off what he does).

 

[steinhaug]

Fair play for you to post in such an honest way. But if only you would study the maths you would know this is crazy talk! This is what AKA23 is saying also unless I am very much mistaken.

Like I have my "scare the ball" sessions in Roulette. Earlier when I was heavily gambling in a few of the MG accounts, I had several sessions where I bet oposite in Roulette of what I wanted. I bet the whole table and left a few spots open, just to see if the ball after 10-15 spins started falling into theese spots - which it did! I even showed this to friends, and they told me : why don't you bet in reverse and make money?

They never seemed to understand that the system is predictable, however you cannot win when it's predictable - it's buildt not to hit. However when you lost enough, you win anyway whatever you bet on.

You might tell me what you do, and I might be dellusional, however I have "emptied" all toombs in pharaos thoomd so many times due to loosing heavily in the other slots that it's no coincidence. Or whatabout my pattern with emptying Good to Go on $7 after loosing, I got the feature in 10 spins almost all the time after loosing and the payout on that particular wager was abnormal deluxe! However, didn't bother me since I could always get back most of the losses with the last $70 here.

However as each spin of the cycle went I deposited a little more than I won so it was a loosing cycle I admit, however you seem to win at the same places all the time.

I have casinos that you can win here and there, and then after you have that 5-10K win, it's dead untill you lost 125% again, then suddenly as a miracle the casino starts living again, same cycle all over. Maby it isn't a pattern, but it sure looks like it since it's happening over and over again! And always you get that magical 95% payout - now blow me backwards sailer boy!

Anywhooo - call me blind and dellusional, my stats and whats spinning in my face really doesn't change just because you say it does.

 

[slotplayer]

Yes I do want to risk it.
(I've been risking it for years & I'm doing OK, thanks!)

Land-based slots may or may not be rigged - I don't know, but I would suspect they are.
Online slots may or may not be rigged - I don't know, but I would suspect they are not.

KK

I'd bet (no pun intended) that if any slots are rigged its online slots. Having played both online and land. If a USA land casino state or tribal had press that it rigged slots it would be out of business in a day. The US syndicated news media would crucify them.

As far as the Wizzard of Odds site is concerned it's been around a very long time and I'm surprised many in here have not heard of it. I found it to be a credible source of information although I havn't visited it in a quite a while.

 

[DiamondGeezer]

Kmiss you have a great way with words you know. Maybe you should write a book about all this.

Look I am not calling YOU delusional nor am I telling you what to do. But $700K is a lot of money and it would be a good time to re-evaluate things. Maybe what you are doing is right. But maybe it isn't? You don't want to end up in a situation where you are throwing good money after bad, that's all.

Ah Roulette - the devil's game! I know exactly what you mean by 'scare the ball'. I have come very very close to doing this myself on occasion.

Roulette really does mess with your mind. Just imagine what it must have been like in the 18th Century when the game became hugely popular. It must have been very difficult for people to get a handle on it back then. There was a Countess from a major European dynasty who blew the whole family fortune on Roulette. I guess it would be like Bill Gates dropping 50bn or something. They must have been amazing days.

Roulette nearly flipped me out once. I was playing online and betting red and black came up 17 times in a row! I think it was a 1 in 140000 chance. I finally got my red but then it went black another 13 times! I lost a lot of money but thank god I wasn't doubling my bet each time. By the end I was almost willing more blacks just to see if I could set a record. This is how bad it gets and I bet scare the ball feels a bit like this. Not good!

I hope things get better for you kmiss. Don't let the ba*ta*ds get you down!

 

[steinhaug]

Kmiss you have a great way with words you know. Maybe you should write a book about all this.!

Maby I should, atleast I would make some money then.

Look I am not calling YOU delusional nor am I telling you what to do. But $700K is a lot of money and it would be a good time to re-evaluate things.

Don't worry amigo, I have re-evaluated and i have stopped! That si - I do still wager a little, but I know their lost at the time I deposit - so it's more or less to nurish the insanely retarded idea of accually being able to win something. (I say insanely retarded, since there is no way in hell to even get close to the already lost amount.)

I am the prime example of a royaly fucked gamblehead, And how I love it too!

I was playing online and betting red and black came up 17 times in a row! I think it was a 1 in 140000 chance. I finally got my red but then it went black another 13 times!

LOL! This is a typical example, the first happening - making it insanely not likely! However the system balance it back by the insanely oposite... Or in your example, doing two unlikely events in sequence. I would rather say the red was thrown in not to make the sequence to unlikely in case of an udit.

Who are you to blame, it all fits beautifull into the realm of probability and random outcome. Im sure that you could do 30 reds in a row, 3 blacks, and 20 more reds! Say you lost 10K during this thrill ride, did an audit, and was told this is very random - however extremely unlucky, a 1 in something chance! Good luck next time... We know this by now.

I would beg to differ the results though, I would say that this is a typical example on results that are made to break your bank and at the same time fit into the realm of probability in case an audit should take place - since the games are markeded as random.

But we really know this already - we do not agree - and we try the best we can to convince each other of the oposite.

Ah Roulette - the devil's game!

Well in real life the tables are not 100% either, so the ball is infact likely to land at certain positions more often, (that is when the table is not correct) Just like the person in Guinnes book of records, he figured this out early on and did the biggest land slide in Roulette casino win in history. However - my gameplay in landbased roulette ia a quick hit'n'run with say 1-2 large bets. I do not have the stamina to hang around the roulette table for 5 hours analyzing before starting betting strategically to bend house edge.

By the end I was almost willing more blacks just to see if I could set a record. This is how bad it gets and I bet scare the ball feels a bit like this. Not good!!

This is definately scare the ball in action! It never works in landbased roulette though, :/ I would suspect your example ending in a riot if that happened!

I hope things get better for you kmiss. Don't let the ba*ta*ds get you down

The bastards can't get me down, it's the greedy-bastard in my head that gets me down, the ones "out there" just prey on him,

 

[katodog]

"I have casinos that you can win here and there, and then after you have that 5-10K win, it's dead untill you lost 125% again, then suddenly as a miracle the casino starts living again, same cycle all over. Maby it isn't a pattern, but it sure looks like it since it's happening over and over again! And always you get that magical 95% payout - now blow me backwards sailer boy!"






Yes its called 3DICE

 

[katodog]

"I have casinos that you can win here and there, and then after you have that 5-10K win, it's dead untill you lost 125% again, then suddenly as a miracle the casino starts living again, same cycle all over. Maby it isn't a pattern, but it sure looks like it since it's happening over and over again! And always you get that magical 95% payout - now blow me backwards sailer boy!"






Yes its called 3DICE

The previous post I made was an error! I cannot delete or edit it. I cut and pasted the wrong information. The above post was an error,please disregard! The words in the quote are not mine!! I cut and pasted something by accident from someone elses previous post. If a mod can delete my post above this plesae do!! My apologies to the board and 3-dice for my stupid computer skills.

 

[tim5ny]

The previous post I made was an error! I cannot delete or edit it. I cut and pasted the wrong information. The above post was an error,please disregard! The words in the quote are not mine!! I cut and pasted something by accident from someone elses previous post. If a mod can delete my post above this plesae do!! My apologies to the board and 3-dice for my stupid computer skills.

lol!

 

[steinhaug]

The previous post I made was an error! I cannot delete or edit it. I cut and pasted the wrong information. The above post was an error,please disregard! The words in the quote are not mine!! I cut and pasted something by accident from someone elses previous post. If a mod can delete my post above this plesae do!! My apologies to the board and 3-dice for my stupid computer skills.

You obviously wanted to comment something, or did you first copy the text, click respond, paste it and commend and click submit - all in error?

Posts like this makes me love the forum even more, Have another coffee katodog, it wakes you up!

 

[NewOrleans]

thanks

well this was my first post I apologize for that racist remark ahahaha I am still laughing histericaly at that joke.I didn't expect 40+ replies in less than a day that is beyond amazing.

 

[tim5ny]

Lol!!!!!! Kato was panicking like a bastard after he/she saw her post and that was the funny part. I know you were just posting a quote from another person Kato...but it was still funny!

 

[Jasminebed]

New Orleans, welcome to the forum.

You will learn many things here.

And I agree that WizardofOdds is a great site, and I've used it myself many times to learn to play table games in land based casinos, including recently.

But I think you really dropped the ball by saying Slots are for Losers. Are you calling me a loser? Do lose money playing slots...of course I do. Did I really think that I'm going to make money...of course not. And I will not make it playing roulette, craps or blackjack either. And I concede that my odds are worse.

How do you think the slots are rigged? That there is a high house edge is not rigged. Not paying advertised paybacks in rigged.

Changing payout tables, video slot reels or otherwise is not rigged. Putting higher payback on some games than others, and switching these around to maintain an average is not rigged.

See that each individual player gets back exactly 95 percent payout WOULD be rigged. Each slot spin should be a random outcome.

And your chances are just the same on the machine that just paid the jackpot as the money pit that vacuumed $1000 bucks out of someone's pocket. There is an exception to the UK AWP fruit machines, and possibly with the online AWP's as well.

Sorry everyone jumped down your throat so much, I know you were just trying to help.

 

[Zoozie]

" And always you get that magical 95% payout - now blow me backwards sailer boy!"

Yes its called 3DICE

No.
It is call mathematics/statistics.

That you happen to up and down around this limit is not a mystery. It is simply called convergence. But the more spins you have behind you, you will also see the up and downs relatively smaller.

 

[NewOrleans]

I might of been a bit stoned

Well I was smokin some good shit that day,ya you guys are all right and I am wrong about most of the stuff I said...Blackjack does have the same House edge as single zero roulette in some cases,8 deck blackjack with specific rules or jackpot blackjacks...or side bets but true that most blackjack is not near single zero roulette

Well 48 replies not bad keep em coming!

 

[aka23]

Blackjack does have the same House edge as single zero roulette in some cases,8 deck blackjack with specific rules or jackpot blackjacks(

What casino offers 8-deck blackjack with rules resulting in a ~2.7% house edge, like single-zero roulette (assuming no la partage)?