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SlotJack @ Inetbet

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by BigRed, Aug 22, 2010.

    Aug 22, 2010
  1. BigRed

    BigRed Dormant account

    South Carolina
    After today I am through playing blackjack online at any casino. It is an almost certainty in my opinion that the card/table games are based on a slot type payout and not a true random draw. If the casino would actually admit this then I would possibly still play there, (probably not), but at least I would be able to make an informed decision.

    I have had a terrible year so far at BJ with numerous sessions where i lose 16-18 hands out of 20.

    Attached are files showing 16 losses, 2 pushes, and 3 wins. So out of 21 hands i lost or pushed 18 hands. I had three separate streaks similar to this today. They all seemed to start after raising my bet and continued even after lowering my bet. I don't have hard evidence as it is hard to come by at RTG casinos because of there substandard ability to review your play.

    So I challenge you Inetbet, send one of your reps and respond to your players. Are the table games random or not? Can you adjust the RTP to a certain percentage like a slot, not by changing the rules(hit soft 17, no double after split, etc..) but by setting the RTP to a predetermined percentage.

    I'm not a conspiracy theorist . I've played online poker for a decade and been pretty successful at it. I've had great wins at Inetbet. I've cashed out over 15K wins there playing BJ (years ago when neteller was USA friendly). But it seems today in the UIGEA era all bets are off.

    Once in 20 years of gambling I had a streak in my favor that was outside of what i would consider statistically possible or should I say probable. In Las Vegas I once turned $2800 into 130K in 12 hours. These type of streaks happen to me too often online. Of course, they aren't in my favor.

    I admit I'm probably addicted. The wins I've had this year, I've played off and lost. But when you do better at a slot than you do at BJ something is wrong.

    I just want to know the truth. Are the games based on a random draw or not?
  2. Aug 22, 2010
  3. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

    Maybe it's deja vu, but I seem to remember someone else posting close to the same statement not that long ago...maybe not the exact wording, but pretty damn close.

    Or maybe it's just my brain playing tricks on me...;)

    But seriously, does anyone pay attention to their winning streaks lately, or just their losing streaks?
  4. Aug 22, 2010
  5. rockycatt

    rockycatt meistercatt

    black jack ,a person could play all year and be up by 20.00 bucks and get a
    + ev, and also never be up on the house by more than that :eek: my feelings
    on black jack

    a diferent kind of thrill i guess :) just my .02 cents i mean like in
    V P theres many 100x pay or bigger

    please tell me what im missing in this game to have a big night :confused:
  6. Aug 22, 2010
  7. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

    I've been playing BJ offline and on for the past 15+ years, and for me, it's the fast paced action...imo, that takes the place of not having the huge 100xbet wins that VP and/or slots can give you....if you go on a huge streak and keep pressing your bets, you can make more than what you would on other games.

    For instance, one night in Vegas I was playing blackjack heads up with the dealer, flatbetting $100 a hand. 12 hands later, I had 0 losses and walked away with $2200 counting doubles and splits. :) I still kick myself in the ass, though. I should have had at least $5,000 after that streak, but I felt that if I were to start pressing my bets, I'd start losing. :rolleyes: Oh well. ;)
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  8. Aug 22, 2010
  9. Westland Bowl

    Westland Bowl Tin Foil Hat Club Member CAG PABnonaccred

    not applicable
    "SlotJack" is right. I've noticed this since November 2009 across all online casinos I've played at.

    After I stopped depositing $1000 at a time and started smaller, like $100 or $200, I've noticed that the Blackjack games got even worse. EVERY TIME I started playing Blackjack with these smaller deposits, the winning hand percentages were very low. If these Blackjack games are random, then why don't I get some good wins out the gate once in a while? But nooooo, every one of the sessions after depositing started out with some losing streaks.

    I requested my play history from Inetbet before and they did provided it promptly. But I've noticed this phenomenon of increased losing frequency when upping bet amounts with RTG, Microgaming, Post-Microgaming (whatever it is called) and Vegas Technology. This happened even with DGS at some sportsbook sites. The one casino software provider exception is Galewind, provider for Pinnacle Sportsbook, alas they are not open to US players. I do not know how things are at Playtech, Wagerlogic, or other non-US casino software providers.

    The card drawing is done by the online casino (or software provider) itself, so you are not going to get an objective answer. This is why I keep bringing up the concept of third-party card drawing for online casinos. There is a conflict of interest, the elephant in the room, of the card drawing being hidden in the casino's own software. And if the casino is losing money or not making as much as they want to, then by all means they ARE going to use this fact to their advantage, dammit! Third-party audits shouldn't focus so much on the randomness of the card drawing by itself but whether if casino's wins on the higher bet amounts are out of statistical norms.

    And it got even worse after November of last year.

    If you use a betting strategy, then the online casino software will figure it out and make you lose at appropriate times. If enough other players have lost money, then the software will let you win some money to keep up appearances. But have you noticed there are a lot less players on Casinomeister that report winning Blackjack sessions? They've disappeared!

    I've been playing in free mode at a number of online casinos for quite a while and win upwards of 90% of my sessions. But once I play in real mode exactly the same way as I do in free mode, I've only had one winning session. You are free to make your own conclusions but to me that means real money play at online casinos are not random independent of the bet amount and/or to the betting strategy. I can show you how well I would do at random blackjack and using the same betting strategy how bad I do at online casino blackjack.

    I've deleted all my online casinos of my computer. I've had enough. I would install a casino to test the waters when they offer a no-deposit bonus but unless regulation comes or there are live online blackjack dealers available to US players (with a clearly visible shoe), I just don't trust online casinos anymore in regards to Blackjack and would not put anymore money toward them in order to make money from them.

    In my opinion, it's apparent that online casinos have declared war on players who use any kind of betting strategy to play any casino games. If their software detect you are using a betting strategy, then your higher bets start losing more. (Of course, losing EVERY higher bet would be too obvious but you just might have more losing DOUBLE-DOWNS or SPLITS on those.)

    But if you are just playing for fun and entertainment and use no type of money management (aka betting strategy), then online casinos are great for that. Online Blackjack and other online casinos games likely are random if you flat-bet or bet on hunches (with no discernible pattern.) You might just be allowed to win big!:yahoo:
  10. Aug 22, 2010
  11. 4 of a kind

    4 of a kind Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll

    Trans. Tech
    New York
  12. Aug 22, 2010

    NASHVEGAS Banned User - flamming, disrespecting admin,

    And there are many prior to the thread you posted btw, for real!!
  14. Aug 28, 2010
  15. BigRed

    BigRed Dormant account

    South Carolina
    I see no casino rep here chimed in to say anything about the fairness of BJ.

    I did get a private message from inetbet saying in was in fact random and there was no way to adjust the payout percentage as i suggested.

    They also asked for my name and account name. Probably get banned from there so i just sent a not so nice email to close my account after yet another loss.

    I'll restrict my play to Brick and Mortar casinos in the future. At least there i can play poker too.

    So long internet casinos. You killed the golden goose. I urge everyone to quit also. Maybe if it would become legalized in the USA and get some regulation it could be trusted. As it stands now, you have a hard time getting your money on, a harder time getting it back, and likely an unfair game.

    So long.......................:(
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  16. Aug 28, 2010
  17. takethemoney

    takethemoney Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic

    I used to play 90% of the time online and 10% of my play went to land based casinos. Since the first quarter of this year I have done a complete change and the 90% is going to land based. I can't figure out why I keep having so many losing sessions at RTG casinos, other than I won over $40k on random jackpots last year. If there is a global adjustment that kicks in across the RTG network, I would certainly be a good example of that. I have now 102 deposits and zero winning sessions. I really wish I could say that I just didn't hit the cashout button on some of those, but there has never been that opportunity. That many sessions of bad luck? I thought I'd seen everything. If luck evens out over time, I am soon to be in for some whopping winning sessions. Fortunately, I feel no more need to test it further. ;) :eek:
  18. Oct 11, 2010
  19. petkaymad

    petkaymad Dormant account

    Network Admin
    Out Woopwoop Way
    Maybe I just got lucky but I have had 4 reasonably big winning streaks with 2 different online casinos with Blackjack. I had 2 over $800 with TitanPoker and 2 of over $300 with CelticCasino. These were all within the last 5 months. I stopped playing at TitanPoker recently but finished up a long way ahead. Happily I found both paid up basically staight away when I withdrew.

    CelticCasino I found very good using a betting strategy, but for some reason I never really had winning streaks of more than 3-5 hands. Just that using the strategy I was using I am able to win OK amounts.
  20. Oct 11, 2010
  21. winnington

    winnington Dormant account

    Over the last 2 weeks I have won approximately $8000 (actually maybe a fair bit more, I've lost track since I've been withdrawing as I've won) on blackjack all on a single $40 deposit at Inetbet.

    I've been there many times, wondering if casino software if rigged, but for every winning run like I had, there's going to be someone who deposits $40 200 times without winning a damn thing.

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