Slot Strategy

[lojo]

Hi Folks;
I know this is not a new idea, and I have searched and read many of the posts on this subject: AkA23 'gambling log', Addisyn 'teach me to play slots', and a few others. I've studied Kasino Kings site and strategy and Simmo's method at oggs.com. All very insightful. And when I'm back in the saddle I'll practice each of the methods.

I'm using my downtime by playing 'thoughtfully' in play mode; revisit my homecooked ideas and mixing in other people's ingredients.

It's a little harder to keep a log now without 'Playcheck' to cut and paste into a spreadsheet, but I'm just counting spins and results.

Best I've done so far was to take Simmo's Thunderstruck method and use it in TombRaider starting with 9 lines. As I got into my fourth incremental increase, I increased lines instead of coins, hoping for the 'inevitable' free spins and she showed up. Nice. Just keeping a paper log of my imaginary withdrawals.

I usually only play MG, but any RTG input would be more than welcome. I'm getting used to the interface in practice mode. I'm glad to share what has worked for me in the past.

Regards, and have a spin for me and all the other yanks who got caught with our pants down

 

[cheekymonkey]

1) Make sure you have plenty of time available for your session.

2) Start with a minimal stake comfortable with your bank roll.

3) Increase this stake if you double your original bank roll.

4) Increase again if you increase your bank roll by a futher 50%.

5) Repeat.

6) Hit a biggie.

7) Cashout.

Well, that's the theory anyway.

GL

 

[mikepipe]

and especially for RTG my advice is: Change slots very often and leave them after very few spins, if the dont pay. - those slots are streaky - you can easily spend you entire bankroll at one of them as long as it is cold.
I have read about 1000 spisn without a feature. On the othe side: If they start to pay: stay with them. feature might show up several times within few spins.

 

[tencardcharlie]

Strategy is overrated. Just spin

 

[RobWin]

Slot Strategy ?

Slot Strategy, .......isn't that an oxymoron


I have to agree with tencardcharlie, just close your eyes and spin man.


If everything to do with a slot machine is trully random per RNG machine how could there be any kind of Strategy, other than knowing when you have lost enough money to quit.

 

[cheekymonkey]

I have to agree with tencardcharlie, just close your eyes and spin man.

I agree - but you can also experiment with different methods of play that may extend your gameplay.

I don't see anything wrong with that if you enjoy playing slots.

 

[lojo]

Slot Strategy, .......isn't that an oxymoron


I have to agree with tencardcharlie, just close your eyes and spin man.


If everything to do with a slot machine is trully random per RNG machine how could there be any kind of Strategy, other than knowing when you have lost enough money to quit.

Yeah, I did that for about a year and had some fun. And I still do the occasional wild ass spin when I'm up some bucks. But it's pretty rare to hit on one of those for me. (because I can only afford so many big throws) I usually make my money by betting low, trying to 'stay alive' long enough to hit a feature, then playing larger pulls from there on profits. It just keeps me in the game longer with occasional opportunities to hit it big

The times I've done something like go into TombRaider and hit the 10x button at betmax ($37.50) I have kicked myself for awhile waiting for my 'discretionary income' to fill back up so I could play again. But by playing it safe I can sometimes bet big on 'their money', know what I mean?

And you guys may be absolutely right in the long run... if I'm gonna hit a clump or streak, I'm gonna hit it. If I don't know when to quit, I will eventually be out of money anyway.

You must have some sort of rules for yourself when you sit down to play? I know I might overthink some things, but that is one of the fun things to me in slots. Maybe I should have said 'session strategy'? But I'm looking for more than that really.

 

[mikepipe]

Slot Strategy, .......isn't that an oxymoron


I have to agree with tencardcharlie, just close your eyes and spin man.


If everything to do with a slot machine is trully random per RNG machine how could there be any kind of Strategy, other than knowing when you have lost enough money to quit.

Sure - ther is an RNG. But the most exciting question for a slot player is (ok: at least for me): How does it work. And if there are streaks, can you read a slot and predict what will happen in the next spins?
This can be one sort of "strategy" - the other, more reasonable one, is to adopt a strategy on how to develop your bets when you win, to decide when to cashout and be strong enough not to reverse the cashouts.

 

[RobWin]

Sure - ther is an RNG. But the most exciting question for a slot player is (ok: at least for me): How does it work. And if there are streaks, can you read a slot and predict what will happen in the next spins?

The simple answer is no, no one can, not even Michael Shackleford

 

[RobWin]

This can be one sort of "strategy" - the other, more reasonable one, is to adopt a strategy on how to develop your bets when you win, to decide when to cashout and be strong enough not to reverse the cashouts.

Totally agree with that statement !

 

[mikepipe]

The simple answer is no, no one can, not even Michael Shackleford

No? So it s all an illusion?
ok- then let me keep my illusion - maybe i need it.

 

[RobWin]

Yeah, I did that for about a year and had some fun. And I still do the occasional wild ass spin when I'm up some bucks. But it's pretty rare to hit on one of those for me. (because I can only afford so many big throws) I usually make my money by betting low, trying to 'stay alive' long enough to hit a feature, then playing larger pulls from there on profits. It just keeps me in the game longer with occasional opportunities to hit it big

The times I've done something like go into TombRaider and hit the 10x button at betmax ($37.50) I have kicked myself for awhile waiting for my 'discretionary income' to fill back up so I could play again. But by playing it safe I can sometimes bet big on 'their money', know what I mean?

And you guys may be absolutely right in the long run... if I'm gonna hit a clump or streak, I'm gonna hit it. If I don't know when to quit, I will eventually be out of money anyway.

You must have some sort of rules for yourself when you sit down to play? I know I might overthink some things, but that is one of the fun things to me in slots. Maybe I should have said 'session strategy'? But I'm looking for more than that really.

I do Progressive Betting....when I win their money I up my bets progressively and either win big or get off of that slot. I will set a limit of how much to try at larger bets before I move on.

 

[RobWin]

No? So it s all an illusion?
ok- then let me keep my illusion - maybe i need it.

We all need that illusion Mike..

 

[RobWin]

I agree - but you can also experiment with different methods of play that may extend your gameplay.

I don't see anything wrong with that if you enjoy playing slots.

Absolutely !

 

[KasinoKing]

I have to agree with tencardcharlie, just close your eyes and spin man.

If everything to do with a slot machine is truly random per RNG machine how could there be any kind of Strategy, other than knowing when you have lost enough money to quit.

I know all the 'clever people' will disagree - so please don't waste your time!

This is my personal theory:
Either you believe online slots are random, or they are rigged.
If you believe they are rigged - stop playing NOW!
If they are truly random, then a progressive strategy CAN be adopted.
e.g. say on Thunderstruck the mathematical probability of getting 3 (or more) scatters in 1 in 130.
Then it is true that on each & every spin the chances of it hitting are 1 in 130 - nothing can change that.
But, the more spins you do without it hitting the higher the probability that it will hit.
(Note that I say probability, not chance. The chance of a hit is ALWAYS 1:130)
Therefore you can use a progressive strategy in the hope of hitting the feature at a higher level.
Of course, there is absolutely no guarantee this will work, as there is no guarantee the feature wont pay diddly squat in the end anyway...

This is the way I play - and I don't do too badly with it, even if I say so myself!

 

[lojo]

Quote: KK
"(Note that I say probability, not chance. The chance of a hit is ALWAYS 1:130)"

I've looked at some of the logs on your site and the numbers are real close to what I have experienced, over time.


I used to try to look at is as 'cycle' and that didn't work in the long run... ie. because I usually see lara triples within 100-150 spins, where in that cycle am I on my first spin. I know better now (possibility/probability). It took loosing a lot of hard earned and hard won dough to teach myself to be a 'low roller'.

It also took a very long time to wrap my head around the 'relationship' of the program to the RNG. Now I know (because i don't believe they are 'rigged') that the house edge is factored over infinity, and the program does not respond to the number of lines or coins I play except in how much it pays back if I hit something. And the machine does not care if you just hit five laras. No one else is going to lose for long streaks to 'make that win up' for the machine. It just works out over time.

"Knowing' this stuff doesn't at all take the fun out of it for me, it makes it more interesting

 

[Zoozie]

'Strategy' for slots is nonsense

It is funny to discuss 'strategies for slots' since slots(the huge majority of them at least, like the freespin feature ones) are one of the very few casino games where payout% is independant of strategy.

Ie. the slots payout% is independant on bet size or how many lines you play. The number of lines played does change the variance though. Right now I can actually not think of other casino games that is totally independant on play style. What other casino games has this characteristic?

On roulette you can make counter bets and screw yourself and on keno payout% depends on how many numbers you pick. So this is another descripting characteristics of slots, the 'idiot' game - making you wonder why slots are so popular

That said, I believe it is clear I can not give out any strategy that is better than any other. Just remember you expected loss is about 4% of you accumulated bets(MG slots). So the common term 'bet more to win more' is actually quite wrong. It is the opposite. 'bet more to lose more (in average)'.

But to hit the 'occasional' big win, you have to bet big also of course. But I strongly disagree with the 'strategy' to increase bet size when not hitting the
feature for a long time. Chasing it this way will just result in a huge net loss(on average). It is basically just the martingale system for slots.

Remember the feature on average only pays around 30*times bet-size on freespin slots like Thunderstruck for example, so if you have not hit the feature for 400 spin chasing it will do no good.

If I was going for a big win I would instead increase bet size when I am ahead of the game and keep doing so until I had reached the bankroll I was aiming for. (Just remember to stop!)

By using this playstyle you will only bet big when you are ahead and therefore not risking huge deposit loss by chasing and starting the downwards spiral of depositing to chase and end up with a serious gambling problem. But if you really are trying to win your money back at the casino out of desperation or frustration, then slots is one of the worst games to do so.

Zoozie

 

[EasyRhino]

There are basically two ways to play slots:

1) Low variance. Lots of spins, lots of lines, very small bets per lines. You'll lose money at the smoothest possible rate this way.

2) High variance. Few spins, few lines, very large bets per line. Tends to result in many many extermely fast losses, and the occassional crushing win.

 

[lojo]

There are basically two ways to play slots:

1) Low variance. Lots of spins, lots of lines, very small bets per lines. You'll lose money at the smoothest possible rate this way.

2) High variance. Few spins, few lines, very large bets per line. Tends to result in many many extermely fast losses, and the occassional crushing win.

And then there is mixing it up a little, strategy or no, and getting lucky.

I used to play the reels, get a 'knack' for it, try to count a rythm or cycle, and sometimes did okay. Still do now and then. Purely random, my chaos. I lost just as often, or more.


When you're hot you're hot.

Today's experience [(in the sandlot) same software]

100 fun money, played conservative progressive when I hit a chunk I did not spin again on that machine. Happened again and again. Worked through every MG game I enjoy and ended up with over 20k. Nice. Lucky day, sure. Playing for fun.

Good luck ya'll, and if you're up have a spin for me.

My prollem, still superstitious. lady luck was with me, sure. But just because I used up a masterful win in almost every machine I played in fun mode, will i be f*cked when I hit the real deal again? hmmm? silly I know but this stuff runs in clumps and if you are lucky enough to find one and ride it, well, lets hope you are playing at a reputable casino or have already been feeling lucky enough to tip well and ask for a host. hmm.

Conservative progressive for me. Thanks all for the tips

 

[sweiger]

I have had some good experience at some playtech casinos with bonus.
If I was lucky and hit something (e.g. deposit 100, get 100 bonus, grow bankroll to 4-800), I played the rest of the wager requirement on either wall street (takes for ages at 50c ) or even better: fixed odds slots at $1.4
-you can actually wager $2-3000 that way and it only cost you $30-80 of your winnings. If I kept on with the high-variance slots, chances are my winnings would vanish quicker than I could say "slot machine"
I know at most PT's you cannot cash out the bonus, but how many times haven't you played, got the balance under the initial deposit, and then won some with the remaining bonus money?
Even if the bonus is sticky, it can be good to have. Depending on whether you win at the beginning OR the end of your bankroll..

 

[lojo]

Excellent discussion on strategies

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/winning-strategies.393/

 

[EasyRhino]

You know, last weekend at Reno, I had a good chance to use the skills I learned bonus-hustling.

Went to the Peppermill (that place is huge, a frickin' barn!) and signed up for their comp card dealie. A billboard by the freeway had said something about $100 free slot play. Turns out the details was the card tracks your first hours win/loss, and they will reimburse you for your losses, up to $100. So, in other words, it's 100% insurance, except the form of payment is more slot play. Nontheless, a good deal.

So, I wanted to find a machine were I could either win or lose very quickly. If I low-rolled it, I'd have little chance of a win big enough to bother with. I went to dollar-slot land, found one that would be $5 a pull. It was called "Big Money Machine" or something, it seemed like it didn't have a traditional paytable. Hunch was that max payout on it would be only a couple thousand, but that it would pay off in a greater chance of smaller wins. Anyway, I plunked down in the chair (cocktail waitress ambushed me immediately), and set to spinning. Plan was to either double my balance, or lose the $100 and redeem it immediately (and low-roll that amount). However, after a couple spins, I was up $137, so I cashed out, and threw away the now-worthless coupon.

 

[lojo]

You know, last weekend at Reno, I had a good chance to use the skills I learned bonus-hustling.

Went to the Peppermill (that place is huge, a frickin' barn!) and signed up for their comp card dealie. A billboard by the freeway had said something about $100 free slot play. Turns out the details was the card tracks your first hours win/loss, and they will reimburse you for your losses, up to $100. So, in other words, it's 100% insurance, except the form of payment is more slot play. Nontheless, a good deal.

So, I wanted to find a machine were I could either win or lose very quickly. If I low-rolled it, I'd have little chance of a win big enough to bother with. I went to dollar-slot land, found one that would be $5 a pull. It was called "Big Money Machine" or something, it seemed like it didn't have a traditional paytable. Hunch was that max payout on it would be only a couple thousand, but that it would pay off in a greater chance of smaller wins. Anyway, I plunked down in the chair (cocktail waitress ambushed me immediately), and set to spinning. Plan was to either double my balance, or lose the $100 and redeem it immediately (and low-roll that amount). However, after a couple spins, I was up $137, so I cashed out, and threw away the now-worthless coupon.

I figger a $1 machine times three. that'll eat my hundred or pay me
Nice driveby

 

[lojo]

A billboard by the freeway had said something about $100 free slot play.

That's what I meant by 'drive by' as well as dropping into the purple 'barn' and taking some gold
Great tip, I'll have to try that. I wonder when they start to track play? I'm sure I play through $100 most hours anyway. (comp points onland track every input, rather than initial deposit)

I've never tried that onland, pulling high first. They must have stats to show that if you start big you will keep playing big... or maybe they do it just to get us in the door.

We'll be playing at Peppermill, John Ascuaga's Nugget, and all the haunts downtown (I know I should play at one place all day for the comps, but I'm out for gold, not a buffet

Thx for the tip

 

[EasyRhino]

I don't know if you play blackjack, but if you do, go to the Alamo truckstop in eastern Sparks. Sweet fancy Moses, it has incredibly lenient rules. Single deck, double on whatever, and they even offer surrender. It's nearly a break-even game if your strategy is perfect.

I only touched two slots that weekend. One at the Peppermill, and one with a $5 coupon at Atlantis.