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Your Input Please Slot Psychology Documentary

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by dunover, Sep 21, 2017.

    Sep 21, 2017
  1. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    This is a must-see, Ainsworth/Aristocrat didn't like it and it was pulled by YT but poster won the copyright claim and it's back. Here you will see some secrets of slot developers and the usage of psychology to make them addictive. Plus the math and how RTP is set etc. Spare an hour to watch this, a very informative documentary. The 'positive' sounds when you get micro wins (less than stake for the spin) are a large part of the brainwashing.

    In rats they could actually override the will to live in repetitive experiments and kill them. I told you St*rb*rst and Microcloning were dangerous!


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  2. Sep 21, 2017
  3. bebo67

    bebo67 Meister Member PABnonaccred

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  4. Sep 21, 2017
  5. goatwack

    goatwack enthused hangman CAG

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    Audio on slots plays a massive part in the compulsive gameplay...I think it even edges the visual 'addiction' of seeing a good win. Just look at BTG, they've got it down to a fine art :mad:

    Will watch it a bit later, looks interesting :cool:
     
  6. Sep 21, 2017
  7. Slottery

    Slottery Newbie member

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    Have to watch when have hour time and popcorns, thanks :)
     
  8. Sep 21, 2017
  9. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    A "must read" for anyone in the industry:
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  10. Sep 22, 2017
  11. RichyJ75

    RichyJ75 Silly Member PABnonaccred

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    Am I the only one who NEVER plays with audio on?!?!!? Strangely enough I have never bought into the noise side of things, just more interested in visuals!
     
  12. Sep 22, 2017
  13. nikantw

    nikantw Ueber Meister MM PABaccred

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    So this explained perfectly why all online casinos are forced out of Australia.
    It’s not only Australia, in another country another finance minister tried to introduce limits to the daily loss on pokies and was basically forced to resign.

    Although overly dramatic, the video makes some excellent points. Governments should stop looking at gambling as a cash cow and start limit players loses. Slots should be checked for fair mechanics (no fake near miss and fake reel visuals) have high TRTP and clear chances for a win. Loss limits everywhere and super fast irreversible payouts. And of course tax only on net profit for both the industry and the player and open market for better product.

    The problem is not the industry, they will do what you let them do.
    The problem IMHO is the country that will sign exclusivity deal with the land based operator with the lowest TRTP in the world and will say to the best online casino in the world: “Give me 35% of your last 2 years Gross Gambling Revenue and I will let you compete for an unknown number of licenses that will cost you an unknown amount of money for an unknown number of years.”
     
  14. Sep 22, 2017
  15. dave1888

    dave1888 Meister Member PABnononaccred2 mm1

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    This is very hard hitting but I think a lot of people here need to watch it. :thumbsup:

    Take breaks and play safely! and set limits!! :thumbsup:
     
  16. Sep 22, 2017
  17. DreamRJ

    DreamRJ Out of this world! MM webmeister

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    Well it kinda only opens peoples eyes to people who do not know how they have been built in the first place. But even for the people that do know. They do still fall victim to it as well.

    But it did make some good points like the fact unless you self exclude there is nothing forcing the staff to chuck you out.

    But either way has it made me want to give it up? I can not answer.
     
  18. Sep 22, 2017
  19. Steviedoo

    Steviedoo Senior Member

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    Nope...I never have audio on. Ever.
     
  20. Sep 22, 2017
  21. Vegasbum

    Vegasbum Senior Member

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    I never use audio either. Often watch Netflix while playing.
     
  22. Sep 22, 2017
  23. DreamRJ

    DreamRJ Out of this world! MM webmeister

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    And to be fair. just because you play with the audio off, doesn't mean you wont get addicted to the slots any less. It isn't just the sounds that trigger the dopamine in the brain. The fact more and more slots now display coin effects for even smaller and smaller wins even wins of 5X on some slots. That has the same affect as watching it and hearing the sounds that go along with the coin win animations.
     
  24. Sep 22, 2017
  25. zellie

    zellie Experienced Member

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    I will watch this tomorrow looks v interesting
     
  26. Sep 22, 2017
  27. nikantw

    nikantw Ueber Meister MM PABaccred

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    Don’t take cause and affect studies too seriously. They are interesting and have a point, but let me ask you this: What about love? What about our favourite team scoring a goal? What about emotions in general? Should we lobotomise ourselves to stop feelings and be safe, like in that movie (The Giver 2014)?

    You would make slots almost the same way if you just wanted them to be fun and interesting. Some will use them to start feeling something, some others to stop feeling something else. And slots would still be very dangerous, but the biggest danger, the biggest problem, is chasing losses.
     
  28. Sep 22, 2017
  29. pinnit2014

    pinnit2014 Senior Member MM PABinit

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    No audio here either.

    Only sounds that can be heard are me gently weeping when my 2 quid, 1800 spins in, bonus comes in on Bonanza. And pays 20 quid ish.
     
  30. Sep 22, 2017
  31. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

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    I dont really buy into the sound stuff overall. I personally find most slots to be absolutely annoying in the base game. Are you trying tell me, they made bonanza sound like that to get people addicted? The only time I had that music on is when I started my youtube channel and needed the music in case I got a bonus. Aside from that, it is shut off every time. And same with other slots, I just listen to music.

    Now when I hit a bonus on most games, I pause my music and turn the slot up because the bonus round is enticing. I love the Amber song, Jurassic park noises and game of thrones theme.

    I will admit that Microgaming Big wins are very very enticing. I love the look, the sound and the feel.

    Now if you want to discuss visuals, absolutely without question. How they make a slot look is almost everything to me. From the characters to the colors to how the bonus rounds work etc. One of the best being the wild desire feature. If you actually stare at it, the graphics are awesome. Or the wildstorm when they grey clouds form, or the champagne bottles popping up.

    I am not going to bash software providers at all. It's their job to design something enticing. I mean honestly, I would be pissed off and less entertained if I had to look at average shitty graphics and lose my money. I am there to be entertained with the realization I will probably lose.

    If every slot was as boring and ugly as zoom, I would not play and would rather go buy scratch offs or play bingo for my source of entertainment.

    I really do not like these slot providers sexualizing their slots now. It seems to be becoming more common. Less clothing on the females and more sexual features. If you click on the boobs in moon princess, she makes a noise. You can activate the bouncing boob feature in 7 sins, the new sexual screeches on that new slot and slots like twerk. I mean why not leave that sort of stuff to pornhub? Does it attract more slot players? I have no idea but I personally avoid those slots because I find them annoying. I want to play slots and have fun not have cartoon characters moaning like they are getting a 12 inch rod shoved into them
     
  32. Sep 22, 2017
  33. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    OK, OK point taken - I'll leave the female slot characters alone from now on.....:D

    Back to point, the Tasty Street slot by MG I reviewed recently is possibly the worst example of this sexualisation. Mind you, Scandinavian Hunks my redress the balance a little bit for you....
     
  34. Sep 22, 2017
  35. philanderknox

    philanderknox Banned User: gobshite troll

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    I was addicted to the UK pub machines in my youth, a totally ridiculous situation, because I knew that I could never recover that lost money, due to fixed low maximum payouts, but carried on putting my hard earned money in regardless.

    Experiencing that must have served as some kind of inoculation, because I can now take 'em or leave 'em, and tend to leave 'em. The only time I play slots is when I'm given free spins.

    Excellent, well sourced documentary, I learned a few things.:thumbsup:
     
  36. Sep 23, 2017
  37. trancemonkey

    trancemonkey Senior Member

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    It's odd because whilst I obviously put a lot of emphasis on the music and SFX in my games, what this documentary suggests is certainly not the reason I do things. I use music and SFX to set the scene - to set the mood as it were. It is also used to reinforce player interaction and positive reinforcement for wins etc.

    But this is no different to a standard computer game, or a TV show or a movie. The sounds are there to enhance the experience of course but not "to cause addiction". The fact they might help this shows more about the human psyche than it does about our industry doing stuff wrong.

    Why do Ginsters make their pasties so nice or Carling make their Lager taste nice. It's to get you to enjoy it and come back. Where is the documentatary about Strongbow making cider taste nice forcing people to become alcoholics.

    Addiction is not something we want or need. It's not really out fault that some people can't help themselves whilst others are more than capable of self control...
     
  38. Sep 23, 2017
  39. interlog

    interlog Senior Member MM webmeister

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    Whilst the end user of course shares the biggest responsibility, slot developers also should play their part.

    Take Book of Dead as an example. They upgraded the slots recently (there is a topic about it elsewhere) and it now spins so much faster. It simply means that money is going to be lost quicker (as slots are designed to do that as you know for yourself). There is no option to let it spin slower.

    How is that ethical? And wasn't it done just for that reason only - to make money faster for the casinos.
     

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