Bogus Complaint Slot Addict AKA Feeder vs Rizkmas Raffle

[spintee]

Some good points but it is not quite as simple as that. For me, since I have been streaming, I have been contacted by a number of casinos asking whether I want to stream for them. For casinos, it is a great way to get some advertising and they are quite accommodating towards a streamer.

I see it more as a two way process rather than an one sided one. Both parties hope to benefit from it.

Correct 100% both party's benefit from this. Streamers do hold the longest bit of rope, Its not as easy as sitting in front of the computer and spinning away and whaching the £ roll in,

I have nothing against what any body does, Infact I enjoy a few hours waching but limited to who I whach. I do alot of work in front of the computer my self so I can leave a window open and pop my head in to see whats going on.

I have nothing against streamers as you know I whach your streams. What I do have a problem about is how some people do some things. But just because I do not agree with it does not make it wrong nor right.

Ever person to there own in this game mate

 

[interlog]

What I don't understand, and would make me suspicious, not withstanding the question of the legality of the draw, why didn't they do the whole draw live. There are numerous sites that offer random number generators, which you can input a lot more than 50 numbers. So why limit the live draw to 50? Rizk apparently made a draw for the 50 places, so it was perfectly possible to have a draw with over 50 entrants, and why was this not either recorded and played on the stream to show it was done fairly done, or done live. If I was running this, it is what I would have done, even without this thread. The draw was supposed to be live, it wasn't.

I hope the Captain comes back and updates what the legal team have said as I would be interested to see the response, if nothing else, to see if my interpretation of the law was correct.

I agree with the bolded bit. That is where it all went wrong and would have stopped the upset. I am sure that both parties have learned from that.

As to the other points (not the legal bit), isn't it all down to trust? I would trust Rizk to have conducted the "pre-draw" fairly so no need for me for them to prove otherwise. Although certain participants in this topic disagree, it was made clear a number of times that there was going to be a "pre-draw" behind the scenes so if you were not to trust the whole situation, you surely wouldn't participate?

 

[The Viking]

is it just me but i feel this thread is just going the same way as this poor cat

 

[colinsunderland]

I agree with the bolded bit. That is where it all went wrong and would have stopped the upset. I am sure that both parties have learned from that.

As to the other points (not the legal bit), isn't it all down to trust? I would trust Rizk to have conducted the "pre-draw" fairly so no need for me for them to prove otherwise. Although certain participants in this topic disagree, it was made clear a number of times that there was going to be a "pre-draw" behind the scenes so if you were not to trust the whole situation, you surely wouldn't participate?

I do too, however some people were questioning it, Rizk have said they have proof the draw was done fairly and correctly, so I don't see the problem in publishing that proof if asked, and it would stop the people doubting them in their tracks. Also the terms and conditions don't mention anything about a pre-draw draw, but they don't say thee wouldn't be one either.

However, as much as Rizk have distanced themselves from this, the more I think about it the more I think they would be in shit over it too, they have already admitted it wasn't ran under their license, yet they did the first draw, and also provided the prizes. If they participated in an illegal draw then I can't see the UKGC being too impressed.

As for Nickslots not giving a shit, he might if he gets a legal notice from the UKGC!

 

[interlog]

An interesting point is that it were only a very few complaining and they were/are very vocal about it. The vast majority of those that didn't win either didn't say anything or backed up Nick.

Despite Nick mentioning the pre draw a number of times nobody complained them. Complaints were made after the draw only.

The point that I am making is that there is an element of sour grapes playing because one didn't win. Had those that were most vocal won a prize I am betting your bottom dollar they wouldn't have told Nick to shove the prize somewhere where the sun don't shine because it was conducted unfair.

 

[colinsunderland]

An interesting point is that it were only a very few complaining and they were/are very vocal about it. The vast majority of those that didn't win either didn't say anything or backed up Nick.

Despite Nick mentioning the pre draw a number of times nobody complained them. Complaints were made after the draw only.

The point that I am making is that there is an element of sour grapes playing because one didn't win. Had those that were most vocal won a prize I am betting your bottom dollar they wouldn't have told Nick to shove the prize somewhere where the sun don't shine because it was conducted unfair.

Thats a fair point, and any complaints should have been made before the draw happened, however the OP did say the first he heard was on the day of the draw, plus if you only watched the first stream when it was announced you wouldn't have known. It doesn't make the complaint any less justified though.

 

[sueyh]

But that is the choice the player makes. It is no different to me having £50 to spend today and getting 5 different offers from casinos. I make a choice which is the better offer.

That's exactly my point. The customer have every right to have an ability to choose a casino with a correct information.

What if OP decided to deposit money into Rizk, because he wanted an excitement to watch live draw with his ticket number on? There is a possibility OP might chosen a different casino to make a deposit to, if he had known it's not likely his ticket number is on live draw.

As I said, this whole thing..half is OP's fault, and the other half is on Nick & Rizk.

 

[interlog]

That's exactly my point. The customer have every right to have an ability to choose a casino with a correct information.

What if OP decided to deposit money into Rizk, because he wanted an excitement to watch live draw with his ticket number on? There is a possibility OP might chosen a different casino to make a deposit to, if he had known it's not likely his ticket number is on live draw.

As I said, this whole thing..half is OP's fault, and the other half is on Nick & Rizk.

You would have thought those participating did it to win one of the prizes rather than seeing their name on the wheel. But each to their own I guess.

 

[jakefrader94]

Has there been any reply from Rizk regarding the raffle? Seems to me they've burried there head in the sand with this one as they know there in the wrong! Another point that I've not seen mentioned the streamer " nickslots" uploads all his streams to YouTube. There is every single stream up there apart from the 23rd december. The date of the raffle.. There's a lot of people on twitch and YouTube who rightly feel robbed. Lay this to bed Rizk and give people a refund and I'm sure that will be the last of the matter.

Peace

 

[interlog]

Has there been any reply from Rizk regarding the raffle? Seems to me they've burried there head in the sand with this one as they know there in the wrong! Another point that I've not seen mentioned the streamer " nickslots" uploads all his streams to YouTube. There is every single stream up there apart from the 23rd december. The date of the raffle.. There's a lot of people on twitch and YouTube who rightly feel robbed. Lay this to bed Rizk and give people a refund and I'm sure that will be the last of the matter.

Peace

How can they give a refund? You made a deposit and played casino games. If they are going to refund deposits, are they then also entitled to claim back the profits made on these deposits? Works both ways surely. It is not that you got nothing in return for making a deposit you would otherwise have had at another casino.

 

[jakefrader94]

Yeah maybe that's an impossible task. But I was aiming towards more a good will gesture

 

[colinsunderland]

Yeah maybe that's an impossible task. But I was aiming towards more a good will gesture

I have been extremely critical of the 'raffle' as I remain convinced it was illegal, and the fact Rizk haven't bothered to update the thread with what their legal team said, would seem to confirm that. However refunds and goodwill gestures from Rizk won't and shouldn't happen. Nickslots was the promoter, Rizk have already confirmed it wasn't ran under their license, and therefore if you have a problem it should be directed at Nickslots, not Rizk. Complain to the UKGC if you are in the UK if you want something to happen as I can't see any other way anything will.

 

[Playford7]

I have been extremely critical of the 'raffle' as I remain convinced it was illegal, and the fact Rizk haven't bothered to update the thread with what their legal team said, would seem to confirm that. However refunds and goodwill gestures from Rizk won't and shouldn't happen. Nickslots was the promoter, Rizk have already confirmed it wasn't ran under their license, and therefore if you have a problem it should be directed at Nickslots, not Rizk. Complain to the UKGC if you are in the UK if you want something to happen as I can't see any other way anything will.

Agree totally with that. Not down to rizk at all to provide any goodwill whatsoever. Also agree that it was dealt with beyond poorly. And far beyond transparent. They have had plenty of time to make a statement answering certain question that where ignored.

At the end of the day a mere streamer shouldn't be allowed to run a gambling raffle, that's a poor idea from the outset, leave competitions to the casino who should have the experience and intelligence, not to mention licences to do it properly from the outset. Also not to mislead and try to backtrack.