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Skybook (Amigotech software) caught running cheating Video Poker

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by ThePOGG, Apr 13, 2015.

    Apr 13, 2015
  1. ThePOGG

    ThePOGG Meister Member webmeister

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    Hi all,

    I want to say I have briefly discussed this issue with Max and the figures within the article have been reviewed and agreed by You must register/login in order to see the link..

    I wanted to quickly alert everyone to a report on Amigotechs casino software I’ve just published - You must register/login in order to see the link.

    After we received a complaint from a player about odd results I subjected the player’s hand history to statistical analysis. The conclusion is that there’s simply no possibility that the results they received came from a fair game (in fact from 2 separate games).

    I’d also be quick to point out that this is far from the first time that Amigotechs software has been found producing non-random results.

    The operators that I'm aware of using Amigotechs software are;

    AmericasBookies.com
    BetMania.ag
    BetPhoenix.com
    BetRoyal.com
    BetTrojan.com
    BogartCasino.com
    HorizonSports.es
    PlayMe247.com
    PokerHost.com
    SBGGlobal.eu
    Skybook.ag
     
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  2. Apr 13, 2015
  3. incrediblestuff

    incrediblestuff SearchingForTheHolyGrail! CAG webmeister

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    No surprise to me.. i always steered clear of this software, but aren't you forgetting the two most renowned Casino's that have been making use of this software? Pamper en Always Cool? I might be out of the loop, maybe they switched to new software?.
    Just throwing it in here, but thanks for the report anyway.
     
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  4. Apr 13, 2015
  5. ThePOGG

    ThePOGG Meister Member webmeister

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    I was actually contacted by the CEO of Amigotechs shortly after I reported this issue to Skybook complaining that I list Pamper casino as having a historical issue with Amigotechs.

    I assume this contact was as a direct result of the report I forwarded to Skybook. I've never had any previous direct contact with this person and it seems too much of a coincidence that they'd reach out on the same day I report that I've found one of their casinos cheating.

    From what I know these casinos are now primarily using Betsoft software.
     
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  6. Apr 13, 2015
  7. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

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    Seemed to me that The Pogg had done good work for the player community and it was well worth sharing. I'd suggested the bit about getting the numbers verified by a 2nd party but he'd already been there and done so. Good to go IMO!
     
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  8. Apr 13, 2015
  9. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Eliot has come up trumps again with the tedious number-crunching, quantifying what the player must've known from the first 30 or-so hands but couldn't prove.

    I also give great credit to POGG for the offer he makes at the end (not going into detail, go and read it ALL yourselves!) and the huge level of integrity that it demonstrates.

    I hope Skybook do the right thing here, both ditching this hooky software and sorting the player affected before the deadline.

    I would be interested to know what the LGA make of this?
     
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  10. Apr 13, 2015
  11. ThePOGG

    ThePOGG Meister Member webmeister

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    To keep everything totally out in the open - the CEO of Amigotechs has got back in contact. They have stated that they tried to contact me after the last email I received (I've checked, we have no record of this email), but got no response.

    They have requested a phone call to discuss this issue. While I do think discussion of the issue needs to occur, I have declined any phone call conversation. In this type of situation a written record of everything said is absolutely essential. I will be updating this thread as and when this develops, but in the name of fair representation of the situation I wanted to be open that Amigotechs are now aware and open to discussion of this issue.
     
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  12. Apr 13, 2015
  13. ThePOGG

    ThePOGG Meister Member webmeister

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    To be fair to myself here, I did all the number work, Eliot only cast a critical eye over it to ensure my mathematics had been correctly applied and my conclusions were legitimate. To be fair to Eliot, he did provide more accurate probabilities for the hands probabilities for the 2 Ways Royal paytable and did observe that he felt I'd given the 4 misplayed hands FAR too much weight and that the text seemed to suggest that these could have made some difference when they couldn't. These didn't change the conclusions of the report but did increase the odds against this event occurring by almost 2 trillion.

    Your mention of the LGA reminds me that I'd meant to email my contact at the MGA (recently rebranded) just for informational purposes. None of this software groups properties are MGA regulated (or regulated at all as far as I'm aware).
     
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  14. Apr 14, 2015
  15. ThePOGG

    ThePOGG Meister Member webmeister

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    In the name of transparency I'm publishing all communications with Amigotechs. I say this knowing full well that I don't come across in a sparkling fashion - I certainly missed a few things when preparing responses and I am unquestionably standoffish in tone - however I don't feel anything to this point undermines the fundamental issue which is the game not functioning in a fair way.

    I apologies for the format, it's not the most readable. I considered editing it to make it more accessible, but came to the conclusion that any editing (other than removing personal details) was likely to detract from rather than improve the credibility of the document. If anyone requires verification of the document's authenticity I'll be happy to make screen shots or a video of accessing the relevant email chain.

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  16. Apr 16, 2015
  17. ThePOGG

    ThePOGG Meister Member webmeister

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    I feel it's important to state at this point that Amigotechs/Skybook are now reaching out to the player to arrange for the return of their funds.
     
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  18. Apr 16, 2015
  19. MiltonW

    MiltonW Experienced Member

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    And then what? They get to continue? I don't understand why this isn't some sort of criminal investigation by authorities.
     
  20. Apr 16, 2015
  21. ThePOGG

    ThePOGG Meister Member webmeister

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    UK
    Hi MiltonW,

    You're talking about a casino software that operates out of Panama and casino operators that don't hold any license. [Note - I have read one report that Skybook is licensed in Antigua, but there's nothing on their site to suggest this].

    There are no legal authorities that will pursue this. They're also a US facing operation, in fact I believe that they ONLY accept US players. In that sense they are already breaking US law

    The bottom line here is that the only real course of action is to try and make as many players and affiliates aware of this issue as possible. If the google rankings become flooded with warnings about this group the market should take care of the rest.
     
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  22. Apr 30, 2015
  23. ThePOGG

    ThePOGG Meister Member webmeister

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    I wanted to update everyone - I've now confirmed that the owner of Amigotech software has personally repaid this player's losses personally.

    I've heard nothing further regarding the impact on other players or repayment of any affected players baring the complainant.
     
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