Sky Vegas Confiscates big wins on their new slot???

It is interesting to see this additional information, which effectively claims that SV is being economical with the truth...a serious allegation that the company's spokesman is flat-out lying or has been kept in the dark by Management.

A Passer By certainly seems to have an extraordinarily detailed knowledge of the affair, but I would like to hear from the players involved themselves rather than hearsay from someone who claims to have obtained the detail from Facebook.

Why are these complainants not coming forward - once again I would note that large sums of money appear to be involved here, surely a motivation for action and direct disclosure?

In the meantime, I intend to put these accusations of lying to the SV spokesperson. These are serious attacks on the integrity and credibility of the company, and that merits the privilege of a response.


I'm not just someone that has claims from hearsay on facebook. I did see the posts on facebook and there were many unhappy people involved. All posts of which were deleted by SV. I happen to be a friend of one of the complainants and have first hand knowledge. She is not here to speak anymore because she has a solicitor involved now and I do not want to give away too much information either.. but when I saw SV flat out lying in their spokesperson statement it had to be resolved.
 
Thank you - that explains why you have such apparently detailed knowledge on the issue, albeit at one remove from the player involved, making your statements hearsay.

For the record, I again contacted SV, linking to this thread and asking for a response on the accusation that they are lying about retrieving funds from the player's private bank account.

48 hours on I have had no reply, which I find surprising and not a little disappointing.

I am pleased to see that the player involved has sought legal redress on this - that is a course that is all too often not taken, and in this case could make for some interesting court reportage - unless there's a settlement and an NDA :rolleyes:
 
This was an ongoing payment method and a completely different circumstance, if your bank gives out money to any merchant via transfers or debit card withdrawals without the relative codes (IBANS and verified by Visa pin numbers) you really do need to change banks ;).

They took cash out of your account whilst you still owed them money, even though this card was in your name it had been used to pay for this equipment, therefore it was a perfectly legitimate course of action for them to take, why did your son cancel the account when he still owed them money?, this must have been the case as you have stated this case was resolved when you returned the goods, a stand not necessary to take if no cash was still owed.

Hello Seventh777,
Just to clarify. He did not owe money but when he canceled his account he did not send back the equipment as he was under the understanding that he had purchased it. He paid cash for the equipment. But they said that he did not own the equipment and had to return it. Once we returned the equipment, then they did a reverse of the debit. I will still never deal with Direct TV again!!!!! Ever!!!

Once I had my paycheck deposited twice, they later came in a few days later and reversed the electronic deposit. That was another bank account. Acutally Bank of America.
Thanks for your input.
huny2
 
Hello Seventh777,
Just to clarify. He did not owe money but when he canceled his account he did not send back the equipment as he was under the understanding that he had purchased it. He paid cash for the equipment. But they said that he did not own the equipment and had to return it. Once we returned the equipment, then they did a reverse of the debit. I will still never deal with Direct TV again!!!!! Ever!!!

Once I had my paycheck deposited twice, they later came in a few days later and reversed the electronic deposit. That was another bank account. Acutally Bank of America.
Thanks for your input.
huny2

Ty for clearing that up Huny ;).

I have business accounts and many merchants have my banking details, if it were that easy to skim cash form people`s accounts I would have been bankrupt years ago, if any bank out there releases cash to a third party without following the relative security measures then those banks are not worth a toss, they have these strict protocols and regulations in place for a reason, and to completely ignore them and allow vast or small sums of money to be debited from their customers accounts, without doing security checks, would be financial suicide for these banks, and guaranteeing the staff responsible to be dustbin emptier's at the nearest McDonald`s the following week ;).
 
I am another player

I am a woman actually, a mother, i dont know who that poster was, i am not long home from the hospital with my little girl. The proof has been given to the solicitor who is dealing with the situation and has all the proof. I am not going to broadcast it on here when he is dealing with it. I dont really mind you disbelieving me really all that matters is that I know and my family knows and the solicitor. Sky are well aware as well. I am not bashing sky if you were in my shoes you would want your winnings also.

The amount I won is by far not the size of Traceyfitz, nevertheless, I was playing the game 2 day`s and won a certain amount. I really thought I was finally a lucky winner!!!!
I received an email from their Legal department(a letter was send also to my address-not received yet), claiming that I was already notified via email(was in my junk email folder-from Customer care department) that I should return the funds immediatly(I withdrew them), as the game was malfunction. They are giving me five working day`s to return the funds or they will take legal action against me. I should contact their Customer care team to arrange the funds transfer. But this not all, no, Sky legal is actually scanning network sites, I had a visitor of them on my profile.
I will now involve a solicitor also.
 
The amount I won is by far not the size of Traceyfitz, nevertheless, I was playing the game 2 day`s and won a certain amount. I really thought I was finally a lucky winner!!!!
I received an email from their Legal department(a letter was send also to my address-not received yet), claiming that I was already notified via email(was in my junk email folder-from Customer care department) that I should return the funds immediatly(I withdrew them), as the game was malfunction. They are giving me five working day`s to return the funds or they will take legal action against me. I should contact their Customer care team to arrange the funds transfer. But this not all, no, Sky legal is actually scanning network sites, I had a visitor of them on my profile.
I will now involve a solicitor also.

So, they can't take the money straight out of your bank like they have done in another case;)

YOU are in the driving seat here, not them. They have yet to prove this malfunction took place, so at present they are jumping the gun. Unless it was "bleedin' obvious" to you during play that the game was paying the wrong amounts, you can say you took the results "in good faith", just as you would have if you had lost.

Sit tight, await the court summons. (Do not confuse their solicitor's letter with a court summons).

Could be a long wait:D

When Betfair tried this tactic with the "happy hour" fiasco, it was a bluff, and players who refused to give the money back never got their threatened court summons. The worst they could do is try to blacklist you from as many casinos as they can influence.

For you to be reguired to pay the money back, they would need to "prove the debt" in court, and get a court judgement making you liable to repay the money. Until they manage this, it is a game of bluff and counter bluff.

Initial legal advice shouldn't cost too much, and is as far as you should go now, perhaps just to have your solicitor reply to theirs when the letter arrives.
 
...or you could just get a private consult from VWM....

:D

(Sorry couldn't resist...)

Just been given:D

A formal letter from a solicitor in reply to theirs should be enough to shut Sky Vegas up. Without this, they may continue to pile on the pressure. It is common practice to insist that all further communications are via the solicitor once one has been engaged. This would mean that Sky Vegas could find themselves in trouble if they continue to harrass the player directly in order to put the pressure on and bypass the "due process" that has begun.

Sky Vegas started it by passing the matter to THEIR solicitor.

It is also possible to write a good formal letter oneself that carries the weight of a solicitor's letter, but without the cost, which could be £150 per hour, plus a fee starting at £25 per letter. If the amount is still significant, it could be a price worth paying. The chances of Sky Vegas going all the way would depend on the amounts involved, and their desire to keep this as much out of the mainstream public eye as possible.

If they take players to court, there is bound to be coverage in newspapers and even TV news programs, and it will undermine confidence in the security of online casinos because it is a case of a game paying out without any obvious evidence of malfunction, but a few days later the casino realises that the short term RTP over all players shows that something has gone seriously wrong. If the CASINO didn't notice for 2 days, and then only after seeing aggregate data, the PLAYER can reasonably use the "good faith" defence for continuing to play in the belief they had just been lucky. Sky Vegas even went as far as irreversibly paying this player, another clear demonstration that at the time, they didn't believe there had been a problem.

Even now, there has been no further information from Sky Vegas about what happened, so at present, we only have their opinion that the game paid out too much. When PLAYERS claim a game has malfunctions because they lost their money too fast, and for too long, they are told it is nothing more sinister than bad luck, and that their low RTP is "normal". Sky Vegas have not substantiated their claim that the high RTP over these 2 days is enough to be deemed evidence that there was a malfunction, rather than just bad luck for the CASINO.

One thing that should be done right away is to request the full detailed playlogs for the disputed 2 days of play. These can be used to show whether it is reasonable to rely on the "good faith" argument. Given that this was a new game, the players cannot be argued to have any expectation of what is "normal" for a session on it, and thus should not be expected to question their winning session as "abnormal".

If Sky Vegas persist, the next request should be for a full description of the game, it's reel strips, and any probability tables behind the "pick" features. If they ask why, say it is to run a statistical analysis on the results from the playlog to see if there is any abnormality that is "statistically significant".

With luck, this request should scare the proverbial out of Sky Vegas, and they will keep this WELL away from a court;)

This should limit the costs for the player to a couple of solicitor's letters, and a couple of consultations. With luck, this should come to less than £1K, and could always be claimed from Sky Vegas for failing to substantiate their claim further.

The fact that the player was told they had a mere 5 days to settle the matter shows that Sky Vegas do NOT want this player to have time to think about it, get advice, nor see a solicitor. Sky Vegas always have a team of solicitors on call, so they would have immediate access. Most players tend to employ solicitors when the need arises, and in everyday life this is not all that often.
 
Just been given:D

A formal letter from a solicitor in reply to theirs should be enough to shut Sky Vegas up. Without this, they may continue to pile on the pressure. It is common practice to insist that all further communications are via the solicitor once one has been engaged. This would mean that Sky Vegas could find themselves in trouble if they continue to harrass the player directly in order to put the pressure on and bypass the "due process" that has begun.

Sky Vegas started it by passing the matter to THEIR solicitor.

It is also possible to write a good formal letter oneself that carries the weight of a solicitor's letter, but without the cost, which could be £150 per hour, plus a fee starting at £25 per letter. If the amount is still significant, it could be a price worth paying. The chances of Sky Vegas going all the way would depend on the amounts involved, and their desire to keep this as much out of the mainstream public eye as possible.

If they take players to court, there is bound to be coverage in newspapers and even TV news programs, and it will undermine confidence in the security of online casinos because it is a case of a game paying out without any obvious evidence of malfunction, but a few days later the casino realises that the short term RTP over all players shows that something has gone seriously wrong. If the CASINO didn't notice for 2 days, and then only after seeing aggregate data, the PLAYER can reasonably use the "good faith" defence for continuing to play in the belief they had just been lucky. Sky Vegas even went as far as irreversibly paying this player, another clear demonstration that at the time, they didn't believe there had been a problem.

Even now, there has been no further information from Sky Vegas about what happened, so at present, we only have their opinion that the game paid out too much. When PLAYERS claim a game has malfunctions because they lost their money too fast, and for too long, they are told it is nothing more sinister than bad luck, and that their low RTP is "normal". Sky Vegas have not substantiated their claim that the high RTP over these 2 days is enough to be deemed evidence that there was a malfunction, rather than just bad luck for the CASINO.

One thing that should be done right away is to request the full detailed playlogs for the disputed 2 days of play. These can be used to show whether it is reasonable to rely on the "good faith" argument. Given that this was a new game, the players cannot be argued to have any expectation of what is "normal" for a session on it, and thus should not be expected to question their winning session as "abnormal". If Sky Vegas persist, the next request should be for a full description of the game, it's reel strips, and any probability tables behind the "pick" features. If they ask why, say it is to run a statistical analysis on the results from the playlog to see if there is any abnormality that is "statistically significant".

With luck, this request should scare the proverbial out of Sky Vegas, and they will keep this WELL away from a court;)

This should limit the costs for the player to a couple of solicitor's letters, and a couple of consultations. With luck, this should come to less than £1K, and could always be claimed from Sky Vegas for failing to substantiate their claim further.

The fact that the player was told they had a mere 5 days to settle the matter shows that Sky Vegas do NOT want this player to have time to think about it, get advice, nor see a solicitor. Sky Vegas always have a team of solicitors on call, so they would have immediate access. Most players tend to employ solicitors when the need arises, and in everyday life this is not all that often.

Funny you should say that VWM. If you followed my posts on the other thread about how slot progs operate, you'll see that example I mentioned about the old bar-x problem years ago. I wonder if this new slot went 'live' without being primed properly.....?? If that were the case, it is Sky's negligence and the slot has been operating exactly as it will do without checks.
 
Funny you should say that VWM. If you followed my posts on the other thread about how slot progs operate, you'll see that example I mentioned about the old bar-x problem years ago. I wonder if this new slot went 'live' without being primed properly.....?? If that were the case, it is Sky's negligence and the slot has been operating exactly as it will do without checks.

If it is a completely random slot, it wouldn't need to be "primed" before launch. If it's a compensated AWP game though, I bet they would NOT want to release this information, and it would not help them in court to recover monies already paid out.

I have been kicked out of quite a few places for "doing the fruities", but NEVER have they tried to recover the money I already won (and walked out with):D
 
Thank you all!

Just want to say, thank you all for the last postings!!!!!
Brilliant advise and information given!
Many thanks and I will keep you posted!
 
Any further on this?

Or have Sky used their 'clout' to muffle the outcry?

Interesting that nothing was reported outwith the gambling community. I would have considered this quite a big story, especially when it involves "the brand we can trust". The irony is hilarious.

Quite disturbing and depressing the stranglehold Murdoch still has on the press in this country.

Did I read that Sky Vegas' annual profit for 2010 was just £4.7m? No wonder it is impossible to win anything there with those pitiful figures. I notice they have removed the all time payout total they used to have emblazoned on their front page.

The recent winners initials and amounts also have not changed for months.
 

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