Skill on Net - the latest to reduce RTP

ChopleyIOM

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Well it's kind of up to us as players to an extent, it genuinely boggles my mind as to why people choose to set fire to their money playing at casinos running lower RTPs. I get that perks can make up for some of it, but IMO nothing's going to make up over the long term for a 50% increase in the house edge, which is what a move from 96% to 94% represents.

Seriously folks, if no one plays the gimped versions, they'll stop putting them out there.
 

mcgameboy

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RTP should absolutely be factored into the CM rating. It might not be a rogue practice, but it is certainly anti-player.
Casinos can tell me they are doing it out of necessity all they bloody well like.

The fact that some casinos still choose to offer their players the highest RTP available, even when they have the option
(or should I say "business opportunity"?) to offer a lower RTP tells me one thing....

That the casinos who offer lower RTP (and some don't even have the decency to be up front about it - yeah VS, I am looking at you)
are doing so for one reason and one reason alone....pure greed.
Like they don't make enough money already... :rolleyes:

Going back to the CM rating, there should be a higher penalty for failing to (or should I say deliberately choosing not to?)
inform the player of said RTP reductions before commencement of play.

To not make the player aware of such changes should be classed as an act of dishonesty and the CM rating should reflect on
the operator's willingness to act in that dishonest fashion.
 

brianmon

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Well it's kind of up to us as players to an extent, it genuinely boggles my mind as to why people choose to set fire to their money playing at casinos running lower RTPs. I get that perks can make up for some of it, but IMO nothing's going to make up over the long term for a 50% increase in the house edge, which is what a move from 96% to 94% represents.

Seriously folks, if no one plays the gimped versions, they'll stop putting them out there.
it's the move from 96.65% to 92.05%, as Skill-on-net have done with TSII etc. Which will really make a difference, never mind just dropping to 94%
 

shadow123

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Any intellegent operator will try and get the correct balance between number of plays and rtp to maximise profit.
but some online operators just seem to be greedy and take the simplistic view that overall revenue will increase at
the same rate as the house edge,which aint going to happen, all that will happen is players will go elsewhere or avoid
the games where the rtp has been slashed.When i try play n go games now (which is very rare) its always at the back
of my mind that i am playing on a shit percentage, same with Red tigers,hardly touch them but used to love some of the games.
Would do a lot of good if rtp,s were clearly displayed on the game icons, you shouldnt need to go searching through help
files after loading the games.
 

09237653

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I would like to see RTPs hard coded into paytables, I dont trust external help files unless it served by the provider,but many casinos swap it out for their own versions.
 

bamberfishcake

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I hold on to the hope that if there is a 96% product not being offered then theres a gap in the market for someone to take advantage of.

If not, its basically a monopoly.
 

Playford7

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I do cover this from time to time on my channel, the reduction to MG RTPs in particular I flagged up because I think it's pretty scummy that they're going back and gimping a lot of the classics, even really old games like Thunderstruck. (The original that is, not TS2!)

There are 92% versions of TS2 out there which suggests they'll offer the same for IR too.

My conclusion is:

1) Stick to a small number of casinos who only offer the top RTPs.

and

2) Even then, check the help file every time you load in a game before you start spinning.

Cheers mate, as I hope your aware our politics aside I like you, not expecting the feeling to be mutual.

but I do watch your vids.

hope you had a good Xmas and the new year offers you a good fortune via three dice mate.

ben
 

Playford7

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Agree that if a casino generally offers low RTP it should not appear high in casino rankings.

It devalues the rankings and they lose credibility to a degree, in my humble opinion.
Totally agree, but if that was the case the affiliates would have about 3 casinos to choose from, sadly this won’t ever happen.
 

Playford7

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Or, y'know, just play at casinos that don't water down their beer.
Thing is a time will come mate when we don’t have the option.

white hat/caddell are the only maltese casino im aware a U.K. player can use with RTP normal,

I do use L & L a lot of that is due to jan, the RTP has issues, I won’t stick around forever sadly as RTP is huge over the long term and you understand it.

I’ve heard ladbrokes, coral take the piss..

that would leave me with white hat, sky Vegas and L & L

from once a market packed with offers and free spins we are struggling to find decent RTP, I’ll not be slotting much longer truth be told, also the way certain brands ‘and promoters of certain brands ignore’ this is criminal mate.

it’s a shame, but at some point this was always going to become reality.
 

Balthazar

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Instead of fucking with the maximum number of spins on autoplay and disabling fast spins, regulators should force casinos and slot providers to show clearly the RTP on each slot.

I shouldn't have to dig into the help file to find the RTP and we all know that 99%+ of players don't do it. That's the reason casinos can get away with it.
 

bamberfishcake

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Totally agree, but if that was the case the affiliates would have about 3 casinos to choose from, sadly this won’t ever happen.

Probably fair to say dont trust the affiliate either if they dont give sound advice on where to play. Pushing a low RTP casino is not in a players interest.

There is no significant difference between casinos in the UK market now except for RTP. If every player knew about RTP then they would choose the 'better' casinos. That is the angle an affiliate should be coming from if they really cared about the player and the only type of affiliate site i would be keen to use.

Dont get me wrong, i love CM and i probably wouldnt be playing slots if i had not found it. But, my personal rankings for top casinos would look very different.
 

brianmon

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still happy to make £$E1000 bet with anyone who can recognize 2 from 5 with different RTP:s just by playing them a day) but very little tweaked.
You keep saying that like it's a good thing for players.
Here's an Idea for the Casino marketing people...

Forget those 96% slots

Come play our 92% slots
Your money might not last as long and you will probably have less chance of the BIG WINS.
But you might not notice the difference
 
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