shumantic VS iNetBet

shumantic

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[Max says: originally posted in Aladdin gold stopped paying, has developed into a major derail so moved here.]

I think that sometimes casinos do things that they cannot logically explain and that is somewhat roguish but not the worst thing you can do. They can't just come on here and explain it away without showing what they really did or lying so they are advised to just ignore and it will go away. Or if too much clamoring for answers then thread locked and no more discussions.
 
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Casinomeister

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I think that sometimes casinos do things that they cannot logically explain and that is somewhat roguish but not the worst thing you can do. They can't just come on here and explain it away without showing what they really did or lying so they are advised to just ignore and it will go away. Or if too much clamoring for answers then thread locked and no more discussions.
Are you implying that I advise casinos to ignore issues and let it fade away? Are you stating that when people get riled up about something I shut down a thread?

Pretty bold comments coming from a newbie.
 

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Are you implying that I advise casinos to ignore issues and let it fade away? Are you stating that when people get riled up about something I shut down a thread?

Pretty bold comments coming from a newbie.

I don't mean to say you advise them of that tactic. But that is what they do.

On the second notion YES. I do think that you shut down threads when people are wanting answers and the rep does not respond. I think that you try to calm the discussion then tell to quit asking or badgering as you put it. Then I think you finally lock thread. I have seen multiple times this has happened. Is this not correct? If it offended you it was not my intent.
 

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I don't mean to say you advise them of that tactic. But that is what they do.

On the second notion YES. I do think that you shut down threads when people are wanting answers and the rep does not respond. I think that you try to calm the discussion then tell to quit asking or badgering as you put it. Then I think you finally lock thread. I have seen multiple times this has happened. Is this not correct? If it offended you it was not my intent.

You've barely been a member here for a month, yet you claim I lock threads "multiple times" because a discussion is going the wrong way? :rolleyes:

I've been running this forum for thirteen years and rarely lock threads - and the ones that do get locked are ones that have run their course. And believe me, it's your fellow members who request threads to get locked, not any casino. You need to do your homework before making damaging statements like that.
 

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You've barely been a member here for a month, yet you claim I lock threads "multiple times" because a discussion is going the wrong way? :rolleyes:

I've been running this forum for thirteen years and rarely lock threads - and the ones that do get locked are ones that have run their course. And believe me, it's your fellow members who request threads to get locked, not any casino. You need to do your homework before making damaging statements like that.


I see that this really bothers you. I did not mean it to. Denying that it happens is not what I expected from you. Why are you bothered by this? It isn't meant as criticism exactly. I am just stating how it looks to me. It looks obvious to me.

since you run the forum then you obviously know that I can go back and read threads that were made prior to me being a member. Since I have been reading I see, for example, that every negative thread about inetbet gets locked and they are never made to answer and in fact are better off not answering. It just goes away. Call it what you want. I have little doubts that if this kept going and people kept demanding answers from the alladins rep that a few would argue for the casino, a few would demand answers from the casino and you would have locked it. In my opinion these threads did not run the course. They kept getting derailed by the apologists of the casino and it would have ended neatly if the casino would just give answers. But they don't then the thread is locked and POOF. no answers, all gone.

You can say it is not the case but it is. The proof is right here in the forum. It happened in my case too.
 

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I see that this really bothers you. I did not mean it to. Denying that it happens is not what I expected from you. Why are you bothered by this? It isn't meant as criticism exactly. I am just stating how it looks to me. It looks obvious to me.

since you run the forum then you obviously know that I can go back and read threads that were made prior to me being a member. Since I have been reading I see, for example, that every negative thread about inetbet gets locked and they are never made to answer and in fact are better off not answering. It just goes away. Call it what you want. I have little doubts that if this kept going and people kept demanding answers from the alladins rep that a few would argue for the casino, a few would demand answers from the casino and you would have locked it. In my opinion these threads did not run the course. They kept getting derailed by the apologists of the casino and it would have ended neatly if the casino would just give answers. But they don't then the thread is locked and POOF. no answers, all gone.

You can say it is not the case but it is. The proof is right here in the forum. It happened in my case too.

Me thinks you aren't a newbie at all and you've got an agenda. :(;)
 

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Me thinks you aren't a newbie at all and you've got an agenda. :(;)

what good comes from post like this? Is your goal to discredit me? anger me? derail thread? Whatever is it is not worth a response and it is not good for a forum like this.
 

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what good comes from post like this? Is your goal to discredit me? anger me? derail thread? Whatever is it is not worth a response and it is not good for a forum like this.

Throwing out my suspicions which I don't believe is against the rules and the above could certainly be said for your own posts. If I'm wrong, I apologize, otherwise I won't and I don't.
 

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You can say it is not the case but it is. The proof is right here in the forum. It happened in my case too.

Presumably you are referring to your ongoing PAB against iNetBet, yes?

If so then you are either confused or willfully distorting the facts:
  • the PAB is ongoing so nothing has "happened" in your case yet, it is a work in progress.
  • your PAB is waiting for you to respond to iNetBet's request for documents. That request was sent to you 04 Nov. AFAIK you have not replied.

Whether you proceed with your PAB or not is your choice. Either way it is blatantly untrue that the issue was side-lined and/or swept under the carpet. And while we're at it how is it that you are arriving at such conclusions when the case hasn't even been concluded?

From what I see in your case you are claiming that documents were sent. iNetBet says they've not received them. You've been asked to resubmit them but thus far your only response has been to keep banging away at your insistence that they've already been sent and that you haven't received what you consider to be proper acknowledgment from iNetBet.

If you actually want to move your issue forward then resend those docs, ASAP. Contact me via PM or email if this aspect of your PAB needs further discussion. In the meantime I suggest you let us do the job you've asked us to do and cease with the BS accusations.
 

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Yo Max - trash the PAB. Obviously shumatic feels we're on the take. I don't think he deserves the PAB service.

Sorry folks for the derail. But when a newbie member is in here throwing around accusations and implying that I am a fraud, it pisses me off and I get vocal about it.

/derail
 

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Presumably you are referring to your ongoing PAB against iNetBet, yes?

If so then you are either confused or willfully distorting the facts:
  • the PAB is ongoing so nothing has "happened" in your case yet, it is a work in progress.
  • your PAB is waiting for you to respond to iNetBet's request for documents. That request was sent to you 04 Nov. AFAIK you have not replied.

Whether you proceed with your PAB or not is your choice. Either way it is blatantly untrue that the issue was side-lined and/or swept under the carpet. And while we're at it how is it that you are arriving at such conclusions when the case hasn't even been concluded?

From what I see in your case you are claiming that documents were sent. iNetBet says they've not received them. You've been asked to resubmit them but thus far your only response has been to keep banging away at your insistence that they've already been sent and that you haven't received what you consider to be proper acknowledgment from iNetBet.

If you actually want to move your issue forward then resend those docs, ASAP. Contact me via PM or email if this aspect of your PAB needs further discussion. In the meantime I suggest you let us do the job you've asked us to do and cease with the BS accusations.

why is everyone so darn touchy? I said that the thread I started got locked because people wanted inetbet to answer questions. They didn't. It got locked. Period. Regarding my PAB I will PM you more details but I have not received anything asking me for documents again. As a matter of fact they have not replied to my emails or pms yet. That is a total derail however, this is not about my pab.
 

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Yo Max - trash the PAB. Obviously shumatic feels we're on the take. I don't think he deserves the PAB service.

Sorry folks for the derail. But when a newbie member is in here throwing around accusations and implying that I am a fraud, it pisses me off and I get vocal about it.

/derail


What the hell are you talking about????????????????????/


Where did I say you are fraud?????

What did I accuse you of falsely?

All that I ever said was that threads get locked. You say they don't and got very defensive. I said you are taking it the wrong way and you still are. I am not saying anything remotely that you bad. I am saying that a spade is a spade and threads get locked. NOthing against you at all. Why so dang defensive and touchy? You are getting vocal about nothing and flying off the handle publicly. my goodness relax.
Why does this subject bother you so much and why are you reading into it personally? Now you want to punish me for my thoughts? what the hell?
 

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@Shumantic - please reread your comments, and then my responses. And read Max's post as well. We are not the ones who are flying off the handle.

I just have zero-tolerance for BS accusations at the moment. This thread has nothing to do with iNetBet or your situation, and your comments about me locking iNetBet threads were way out of line.
 

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I can see how Bryan could take shumantic's post as accusatory. I also can see now that shumantic probably did not mean any offense. If I think back it is actually true that most threads about inetbet have gotten locked. I don't think it is out of line for shumantic to say so. I am not so certain that he had any contempt. I feel he was just stating fact as he sees it.

Bryan, are you really going to disown shumantic and drop a PaB over this? I find that almost unbelievable. This subject really gets your goat. For goodness sakes your native languages may even be different. So much context is left out of posts, emails, texts....etc. You are really going overboard in my opinion. This person has done nothing wrong from what I can see.

Furthermore, that Pab is STILL open? wow, that seems like an awfully long time for this particular case unless there is more at play then just ignoring docs.?
 

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Please excuse the (continued) derail but for the record this is a trace of shumantic's activities here at Casinomeister:

10th October: shumantic signs up and posts in the "Introduce Yourself": Newb greetings.

14th October: after posting once (on the 11th) about something not iNetBet-related shumantic posted inetbet Nightmare wherein the crux of the OP's complaint seems to be outrage that emails to the casino were (apparently) not received. He(?) posts and reposts the same basic complaint several times throughout the thread without ever offering to do anything to help resolve the issue. Resending the requested documentation might have been a good start.

17th October: PAB from shumantic against iNetBet received.

24th October:
I see three threads of bad inet. All three get locked so no more replies and no more bad things allowed to be said about them ... inet never made to answer and allowed to steal any player they want with no actions against.

26th October:
I no mean to be argumentative but why do all get suspended for being against inetbet ... there is not good happening at inetbet. It is not only being dismissed but people are punished for saying it. Then silenced and kicked out of forum. ... Why so secret and covert?

And in the current thread we have:
I think that sometimes casinos do things that they cannot logically explain ... so they are advised [by CM] to just ignore and it will go away.

... if too much clamoring for answers then thread locked [by CM] and no more discussions.

I do think that you [CM] shut down threads when people are wanting answers and the rep does not respond ... you try to calm the discussion then tell to quit asking or badgering as you put it. Then I think you finally lock thread.

In other words the bulk of shumantic's posts have been attacks on iNetBet and attacks on Casinomeister in general and Bryan in particular. And somehow this is all just a misunderstanding, possibly because of language issues? Bull-pucky!

Shumantic manages to express him(?)self perfectly well when it comes to defamation and vociferous attacks. Given that, it is reasonable and appropriate to conclude that he(?) knows full well what he is saying and the significance of it. Attempts to misdirect the issue into "simply expressing an opinion" are disingenuous at best. Much more likely that it is exactly the agenda-driven troll behaviour it appears to be.

... that Pab is STILL open? wow, that seems like an awfully long time for this particular case unless there is more at play then just ignoring docs.?

Three weeks is "STILL open"? :confused: Typical resolution time for a PAB is about four to six weeks. Some take MUCH longer, especially when the complainant is uncooperative as in this particular case.
 

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Please excuse the (continued) derail but for the record this is a trace of shumantic's activities here at Casinomeister:

10th October: shumantic signs up and posts in the "Introduce Yourself": Newb greetings.

14th October: after posting once (on the 11th) about something not iNetBet-related shumantic posted inetbet Nightmare wherein the crux of the OP's complaint seems to be outrage that emails to the casino were (apparently) not received. He(?) posts and reposts the same basic complaint several times throughout the thread without ever offering to do anything to help resolve the issue. Resending the requested documentation might have been a good start.

17th October: PAB from shumantic against iNetBet received.

24th October:

26th October:

And in the current thread we have:


In other words the bulk of shumantic's posts have been attacks on iNetBet and attacks on Casinomeister in general and Bryan in particular. And somehow this is all just a misunderstanding, possibly because of language issues? Bull-pucky!

Shumantic manages to express him(?)self perfectly well when it comes to defamation and vociferous attacks. Given that, it is reasonable and appropriate to conclude that he(?) knows full well what he is saying and the significance of it. Attempts to misdirect the issue into "simply expressing an opinion" are disingenuous at best. Much more likely that it is exactly the agenda-driven troll behaviour it appears to be.



Three weeks is "STILL open"? :confused: Typical resolution time for a PAB is about four to six weeks. Some take MUCH longer, especially when the complainant is uncooperative as in this particular case.

a few things:

firstly I did not say (cm) in any of that. YOU did. You are twisting my words to fit meaning you interpret.
Secondly, My only bad experience so far has been with inetbet. That is why I post about it. agenda? yes, to let others know.
I repeat, I do not have an issue with this site or I would not waste my time. I don't want to be enemy of you. we are on same team.
THIRDLY, I did resend it. so many times now. I did resend it. please stop saying that I didn't. that is not true. I have shown proof on this board that I did and continue to. I have resent several times so that is totally out of line from you.

most importantly is this pab issue. What have I done or not done that is uncooperative? I have sent MULTIPLE times my documents. They were even received once. They have never contacted me asking for docs again. I got your email and sent them yet again. Still no response via my pms to them or my emails to them. They have NOT contacted me in any way about this since the pab regardless of what they tell you.
Anyways, I have sent the documents yet again. I can send daily if needed. By the way, they already admitted that they got my documents the first time. It is the more and unusual stuff that they seem to be having a hard time getting. Can we find out why it is that they demand all the extra stuff that is not on their site from me? and why that is not able to be seen like the other documents?
 

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If Inetbet is having such troubles receiving shumantic's docs, perhaps they could be sent to Maxd?

If there was still a PAB on the table this is what I would have suggested. Actually in cases like this I say "send the docs, CC me on it". But no more PAB (for the reasons Bryan stated) so no point.
 

shumantic

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If there was still a PAB on the table this is what I would have suggested. Actually in cases like this I say "send the docs, CC me on it". But no more PAB (for the reasons Bryan stated) so no point.

ok, so then I have no chance to see my pab through because you and bryan don't like how I post.

I guess then that I have no business here on this forum. and such is the case that you prove all of it correct.

NO PAB FOR INETBET.... LOCKED THREADS... I CANNOT STILL GET AN ANSWER AND NOW YOU WILL NOT FOLLOW THROUGH WITH IT EVEN THOUGH i BROKE NO RULES.....SO YOU PROVE THAT YOU ARE THEN PROTECTING THEM IF THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE DECIDING TO DO. YOU HAVE SHOWN YOUR OWN HAND.

You treat me badly and I have done nothing wrong at all. to hell with all of it then.. let that be a lessen for anyone railing against inetbet. you will get banned or thread locked or pab thrown out. great decision guys. thanks for all the help.
 

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firstly I did not say (cm) in any of that. YOU did. You are twisting my words to fit meaning you interpret.

you stated for example: "threads get locked" .... Yes Max put the CM in there but who else locks the thread? The casino can't lock it. So you don't have to say CM. It's obvious that you are referencing CM in certain comments. just sayin.

edit: I actually had written that this probably should be broken into a new thread but took it out so I wouldn't sound like I'm moderating. Then the minute I post I see my post hit here. I should deposit with that kind of luck.
 
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