Should casinos that bonus ban by country/region remain accredited?

Should casinos that bonus ban by country/region remain accredited?

  • Yes

    Votes: 20 48.8%
  • No

    Votes: 21 51.2%

  • Total voters
    41

KariRunk

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I don't really get it how they can do this. How is it possible to ban someone based on where you live?

Would it be better if they would start banning based on your race? Something like this: We don't give bonuses to jews. All inuites have wagering requirements of 999x bonus+deposit. All caucasians are eligible for bonus but can play only slot called Rastafar. And so on.
 

silcnlayc

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Bonuses a not a given right, but are a privilege. I really do not get it where a player thinks that a casino OWES them this. Where in the world does it say that a casino MUST give a bonus to everyone?

I am truly befuddled by the attitude of many thinking it is their right to get one.

The other thing I do not get is that I have NEVER heard of anyone being grateful for getting bonuses by a casino.

I mean, c'mon...no where does it say that they owe you anything in regards to gifts, bonuses or what have you. But yet, many players feel ENTITLED to one. Why??

Do not say because you spend money there and they should give you back a little something...they do not HAVE to. Just as any land based casino does not have to give anything. You choose to play, they do not force you to deposit.

I really would like to know why anyone thinks they are owed a bonus by a casino. With so much bonus abuse going on I am really amazed over the fact that bonuses are still offered, with many T&C's but still offered...and tough playthroughs. I feel if you do not like their terms and playthrough, you have a choice of not taking one. Easy as that!


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KariRunk

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Bonuses a not a given right, but are a privilege. I really do not get it where a player thinks that a casino OWES them this. Where in the world does it say that a casino MUST give a bonus to everyone?
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You're absolutely right that they don't HAVE to give anything. I was asking if you think it's right for them to ban bonuses based on where you live?
 

silcnlayc

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KariRunk: You're absolutely right that they don't HAVE to give anything. I was asking if you think it's right for them to ban bonuses based on where you live?
Sorry, I guess I didn't answer it...Yes, yes and yes. It is their right to offer to whoever and wherever they choose to.

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KariRunk

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Sorry, I guess I didn't answer it...Yes, yes and yes. It is their right to offer to whoever and wherever they choose to.

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Ok, I appreciate your view. One more question, would it be ok to offer bonuses based on your race?
 

darkpixie

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I think if they are going to offer something like this, and blast you with marketing emails constantly offering said bonus then they have no business discriminating who gets them. If they have have issues with certain countries than say XYZ country can not play here or don't offer bonuses.
 

maxd

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I thought I might toss a few things for thought into the discussion here:
  • casinos do get deluged with fraudster groups working out of specific locations/areas/countries.
  • casinos need to protect their business from fraudsters otherwise their business will suffer, possibly fatally.
  • banning by region is a necessary evil, nobody particularly likes it and they do lose business because of it, but something has to be done and this is one way to deal with it.
  • until someone comes up with a better way to deal with the problem region banning makes sense.

So, it's not the same as racial discrimination at all. It's more like sticking extra cops in neighbourhoods with high crime rates. Yeah, it kind of sucks, but what else are they supposed to do?
 

liquuid_fusion

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There are reasons why casinos ban based on country. It's not arbritrary. One example is Denmark. Quite a few years ago it was shown on TV how to bonus-bag and thousands of people tried it - the casinos had no choice but to ban Denmark from receiving bonuses or face going bust.

Casinos identify where disproportionate amounts of bonus users come from and ban those regions.

While there is logic behind banning certain countries, there would be no logic in banning based on race (unless it was proven that a certain race are much more likely to be bonus baggers, which seems very unlikely!). So it's a completely different situation.
 

darkpixie

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Ban the players not the bonus seems sensible to me.
 

silcnlayc

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KariRunk: Ok, I appreciate your view. One more question, would it be ok to offer bonuses based on your race?
Of course, race is always brought up for things that have nothing to do with the other. Is race one of the questions on your signup page? If not, then it is a moot point and I have not seen this anywhere I have signed up at. So, it cannot be done since it is not a field to answer in your signup page and the casinos do not have a clue what race you are.


maxd I thought I might toss a few things for thought into the discussion here:
casinos do get deluged with fraudster groups working out of specific locations/areas/countries.
casinos need to protect their business from fraudsters otherwise their business will suffer, possibly fatally.
banning by region is a necessary evil, nobody particularly likes it and they do lose business because of it, but something has to be done and this is one way to deal with it.
until someone comes up with a better way to deal with the problem region banning makes sense.

So, it's not the same as racial discrimination at all. It's more like sticking extra cops in neighbourhoods with high crime rates. Yeah, it kind of sucks, but what else are they supposed to do?
Excellent points. I agree with totally.
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As long as they make it clear, up front, about which countries cannot receive bonuses, then there's not a problem, imo. Now as far as hiding "If you live in X, Y or Z, your wagering requirements will be 4931012x," then there's a problem.
 

KariRunk

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I thought I might toss a few things for thought into the discussion here:
  • casinos do get deluged with fraudster groups working out of specific locations/areas/countries.
  • casinos need to protect their business from fraudsters otherwise their business will suffer, possibly fatally.
  • banning by region is a necessary evil, nobody particularly likes it and they do lose business because of it, but something has to be done and this is one way to deal with it.
  • until someone comes up with a better way to deal with the problem region banning makes sense.

So, it's not the same as racial discrimination at all. It's more like sticking extra cops in neighbourhoods with high crime rates. Yeah, it kind of sucks, but what else are they supposed to do?

I understand the reasons. But with that logic, any action casino takes to protect itself from fraud would be ok. No matter how unlegal, unethical and etc. it is?

It's same with the racial things, lets assume, if white people would do most of the bank robberies, could bank ban all white people for using banks?

Have you ever seen or heard land based casino disallow entrance to casino, disallow bonus, or any other comp from player based on his nationality?

BTW, why it sucks to have more polices in the area with high crime rates?
 

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And besides, if a casino were to continue letting people from a specific area abuse bonuses and commit fraud, then who's left holding the bag? Legitimate players, that's who. Why should we (anyone in a non-banned region) have to suffer as a result?

Welcome to my world.....as a resident of the USA, I can't play at most all of the reputable casinos.
 

KariRunk

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Of course, race is always brought up for things that have nothing to do with the other. Is race one of the questions on your signup page? If not, then it is a moot point and I have not seen this anywhere I have signed up at. So, it cannot be done since it is not a field to answer in your signup page and the casinos do not have a clue what race you are.
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This was hypothetical question. If it would be possible, would it be ok for you?
 

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I voted "no" but i actually was thinking about different play-thru requirements for some countries. Nothing annoys me more then getting marketing emails inviting me to take a bonus and wager 3-4 times more then players from other regions. :mad:
 

maxd

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I understand the reasons. But with that logic, any action casino takes to protect itself from fraud would be ok. No matter how unlegal, unethical and etc. it is?

That's a theoretical question. Not a good use of my time, IMHO.

Have you ever seen or heard land based casino disallow entrance to casino, disallow bonus, or any other comp from player based on his nationality?

When people are allowed to log into land casinos from the web then you bet you will see them doing the same things! The anonymity of the web makes it a playground for fraud. Remove the anonymity and you remove (a lot of) the fraud.

BTW, why it sucks to have more polices in the area with high crime rates?

Who likes cops crawling all over them? Not me. Cops are enforcers and that's what they like to do, enforce. Most of the time they do it the right way, sometimes they do it the wrong way. I don't want to be around when it goes wrong, therefore I'd rather not have them hanging about unless it's absolutely necessary.
 

silcnlayc

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KariRunk: No matter how unlegal, unethical and etc. it is?
Huh??

Bonuses are not a required offering. You keep forgetting it is a gift from a casino. You don't like how they offer it, don't take one. It is called freedom of choice. No where do I see them doing this illegally...unethically...They do not OWE anything to a player in regards to bonuses if the terms are not followed.

KariRunk:This was rhetorical question. If it would be possible, would it be ok for you?
I think you are losing the point you started and you are bringing in things that mean nothing to the issue. Why? Race has nothing to do with bonuses. You either accept their terms or don't take one. It is not forced upon you. Called choices.

Complaining about free monies with attachments is something I will never understand, especially when you kinow it comes with terms and you can choose not to take it. It makes absolutely no sense to me.

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KariRunk

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Huh??

Bonuses are not a required offering. You keep forgetting it is a gift from a casino. You don't like how they offer it, don't take one. It is called freedom of choice. No where do I see them doing this illegally...unethically...They do not OWE anything to a player in regards to bonuses if the terms are not followed.

I think you are losing the point you started and you are bringing in things that mean nothing to the issue. Why? Race has nothing to do with bonuses. You either accept their terms or don't take one. It is not forced upon you. Called choices.

Complaining about free monies with attachments is something I will never understand, especially when you kinow it comes with terms and you can choose not to take it. It makes absolutely no sense to me.

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But what if race would have something to do with. What if in some casino you would need to enter your ethnicity when you create accout, like you need to enter your nationality now. Would that be ok for you? Simple yes or no question, no need to ramble about accepting terms and etc again.
 

silcnlayc

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KariRunk: But what if race would have something to do with.
But it doesn't.
KariRunk:: no need to ramble
My point exactly. Why continue asking a question that is a moot point??

I could throw in a few how about this scenerio, or that scenerio, or how about this or how about that, that has absolutely nothing to do with bonuses and gambling...just like your what if's...losing the point of your main question I think.

Think of a bonus as a coupon from a grocery store. How many times have you been shopping and had an expired coupon but demanded they take it anyway? How silly is that?

Or go to a car repair shop demanding they do an oil change for the price of the coupon you have found in a magazine, but you want superior oil, not their brand...and they would not honor it because you chose a different kind of oil change in place of the actual coupon offering...this is what a bonus is..just additional free monies but with a catch. Use at your own risk if not willing to follow T&C's.

These places do not owe a shopper anything either, they too offer coupons to get you to come in and buy from them. Same ole, same ole.
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rouletteguy

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Kari runk just feels a little discriminated against which is totally understandable. A theoretical question. What do you think would happen if Cuba suddenly allowed online gambling? Where the avg income is 30 dollars or less?
Every single Cuban who can is going to signup for a no deposit bonus, If they lose they're going to go to another or commit player fraud and register another name and keep doing this until they win. multiple accounts, multiple casino's etc. With not even the slightest intention of depositing.

Now not everyone will but alot will, and I wouldn't blame them one bit, But a Casino is not a charity it is a business. As for the match bonus, it's a little different scenario, 99X playthrough on money just as good as everyone elses......how do you justify that? All I come up with is a larger probability of multiple accounts to repeatedly claim match bonuses, Chargebacks if you lose, or in the off chance.....maybe it's to discourage people who can't afford it from gambling at all.
 
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