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Should casinos be given a choice to hide rtp and choose rtp?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by lockinlove, Feb 19, 2018.

    Feb 19, 2018
  1. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

    Occupation:
    I work :D
    Location:
    Canada
    I am finding some casinos being alittle bit sketchy here. With software providers such as play n go where they can choose their rtp, they are choosing the lowest rtp and hiding it from their players on purpose. However when its at the highest setting they will advertise.

    For example. Slotsmillion is using the 94% rtp model on book of dead. Yet you cannot find that infromation on the slot because its been hidden.

    I had to wait 8 days to get a response about book of deads rtp on slotsmillion which is ridiculous.

    Should casinos be given a choice to hide rtp and choose rtp?: Capture.PNG,Feb 19, 2018

    I do not think casinos should be allowed to hide this purposely from their customers.
     
  2. Feb 19, 2018
  3. goatwack

    goatwack Denny, two is great, but three is a crowd CAG

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    Location:
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    They do it because they can. And because they know regulatory bodies take about a year to delve into things like this.

    Yet another joyous reason to harbour doubts over even the so-called accredited casinos. When the providers aren't disclosing the correct RTP we have casinos 'internally' hoping nobody notices :cool:
     
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  4. Feb 19, 2018
  5. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall

    That doesn't answer your question - they've simply supplied the figure it's paid across their players in 2018 thus far, which is less than the factory RTP by the way!
     
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  6. Feb 19, 2018
  7. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

    Occupation:
    I work :D
    Location:
    Canada
    So they set it at that for 2018? because my question was "what is the factory setting of book of dead on your website set at" and thats what they gave me after saying they were going to ask whoever knows.
     
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  8. Feb 19, 2018
  9. goatwack

    goatwack Denny, two is great, but three is a crowd CAG

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    Location:
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    Nothing like that personal touch from CS, with that carefully considered answer of theirs :what:
     
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  10. Feb 19, 2018
  11. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

    Location:
    uk
    PnG don't seem to be available to me (UK) at SlotsMillion.

    But having checked a few other sites where I know the RTP.
    It seems that only the sites which are displaying the RTP in the helpfile are the casinos which are using the highest setting (96%) (eg VideoSlots)
    The helpfiles at other sites, which I know use a lower setting 94% or lower (CasinoHeroes, CasinoLuck etc), have been edited and the RPT figure deleted.
    It's normally displayed above the paragraph which begins, "In the SETTINGS window........."

    So I'd say, as a rule of thumb, If the RTP isn't displayed in the helpfile, then the RTP has been set lower than it's maximum.
     
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  12. Feb 19, 2018
  13. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

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    Canada
    Should casinos be given a choice to hide rtp and choose rtp?: Capture.PNG,Feb 19, 2018
     
  14. Feb 19, 2018
  15. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

    Location:
    uk
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  16. Feb 19, 2018
  17. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

    Occupation:
    I work :D
    Location:
    Canada
    Yea same for me. brutal casinos take the rtp off when they use the lowest version so people dont see it
     
  18. Feb 19, 2018
  19. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

    Location:
    uk
    It's not the casinos who have removed it, It would have to be PnG themselves to do that, although possibly at the request of the casinos who use the lower settings.

    Whichever it is, it breaches UKGC regulations, so far as UK players are concerned.
     
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  20. Feb 19, 2018
  21. NeverLucky

    NeverLucky is actually lucky sometimes

    Location:
    Germany
    Wish we could just force PnG to display it like this..
    Probably never going to happen though.
     

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  22. Feb 19, 2018
  23. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

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    Location:
    Canada
    lol ya right hahaha
     
  24. Feb 20, 2018
  25. quber

    quber Senior Member

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    From page 12 of the UKGC remote technical standards @ You must register/login in order to see the link.

    RTS requirement 3C

    For each virtual event, game (including bingo), or lottery, information that may reasonably be expected to enable the customer to make an informed decision about his or her chances of winning must be easily available before the customer commits to gamble.

    Information must include:
    i. a description of the way the game works and the way in which winners are determined and prizes allocated
    ii. house edge (or margin)
    iii. the return to player (RTP) percentage or
    iv. the probability (likelihood) of winning events occurring.
     
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  26. Feb 20, 2018
  27. nikantw

    nikantw Ueber Meister MM PABaccred

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    Nice, I love the iv but they should remove the "or" at the end of iii and demand the probability (likelihood) of specific events displayed (bonus round, 100x, 1000x, 5000x ......).
    So only UKGC has that rule? Malta? Gibraltar?
     
  28. Feb 21, 2018
  29. quber

    quber Senior Member

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    I'm not sure if Malta or Gib have the rule but any company taking UK customers has to abide by the UKGC for those customers.
     
  30. Feb 21, 2018
  31. nikantw

    nikantw Ueber Meister MM PABaccred

    Occupation:
    A bit of this and that
    Location:
    EU
    Of course, but since lockinlove (OP), me and many others are not from UK, what Malta and Gib say is important for us. ;)
    Is it ok to hide the RTP from everybody that doesn't live in UK?
     
  32. Feb 21, 2018
  33. Wild Reels

    Wild Reels Meister Member webmeister

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    Location:
    United Kingdom
    the newest one to jump on this bandwagon is nextgen, with several of their new releases being offered to the operator with 2 different RTP settings but roughly a 1% difference in each version, not all of their new releases but several have been popping up, then its down to the casinos to decide which one to use.

    Personally id like to see it on the loading screen saving me having to trawl through the game rules.
     
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  34. Feb 21, 2018
  35. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    Even if they are allowed to hide it then that is a casino that should be rated very low. By everyone everywhere.
    Not because they are using the lower version but because they are hiding it.
     
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  36. Feb 21, 2018
  37. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

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    job is OK
    Location:
    Balcony
    Good find lockinlove! :thumbsup:

    Just checked BoD and Planet Fortune at Rizk, Thrills, Guts, SuperLenny --> no RTP in the text file! :(

    Rather disappointed by that or maybe even angry. You would expect that respectable casinos would provide transparency! :eek:
     
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  38. Feb 21, 2018
  39. orion

    orion Experienced Member PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    wine. We make it.
    Location:
    deep south of Eu
    so, resuming:
    - RTG
    - Play 'n Go
    - IGT
    - NextGen

    others ?
     

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