Shock! Casino owners may change RTP in Play N'GO slots!

[Marchev]

Can you believe Legacy of dead 400spins no bonus, next day i get two bonuses in other slot and both pays 5x for low bet player this is scam
Just remember my words IF you cashout once in casino like this you will lose as weeks losing and losing!
I see fake streamer how losing 6 days 3K or more imagine for normal player with 100 eur how much is chance in lowered RTP slots!

 

[Slottery]

I gave you option to proof it's happening, until then can't take it much else than same story what have heard hundreds of times. Nothing personal but have come immune to these feelings about slot suddenly change to 0 RTP version. Amount of these experiences is so huge that i have no doubt people do believe what they say but something concrete would be nice to see, analyzing game history would show if there's clear pattern but still never seen one, many normal ones where that sudden change has been in players believing after losing.

 

[Marchev]

Hey this is not 1 week gambling this is 2019 and i win once HUGE if it's huge 1K cashout
I don't know what to say more... i will just stop notifications.... Go play on casinos like this!

 

[Playford7]

This thread may have to be infiltrated with a bear and a goat and a Dr Pepper Loving Greek god if it doesn’t improve.
warning given..

 

[bamberfishcake]

This thread may have to be infiltrated with a bear and a goat and a Dr Pepper Loving Greek god if it doesn’t improve.
warning given..

Is there a thread left on CM that has not been touched by a bear and a goat?

Dont believe you, checking now.....

 

[dionysus]

touched by a bear and a goat

Worst TV show title, ever!

 

[Harry_BKK]

That would be handy Harry. Following extensive testing I'm 99.99% sure that the value shown in the network trace is the slot's running RTP, but it'd be nice to get confirmation on it before going live with any public videos or suchlike.

Just in case you and @colinsunderland are wondering..... he read the message and.... CRICKETS!

 

[nikantw]

Just in case you and @colinsunderland are wondering..... he read the message and.... CRICKETS!

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[09237653]

Shady stuff, will be using the chrome method to check all games now.

 

[Marchev]

@ChopleyIOM nice video on youtube

 

[trancemonkey]

The only thing I'm still trying to get my head around is why the RTP is there in plain text in the server calls, however thinking about it PNG probably don't run five logically distinct servers for each RTP variation, so the server needs to know which RTP model a client is requesting a result from.

So from VS you're calling the 94% maths model, from dodgy Russian casino you're calling the 84% maths model, from LeoVegas you're calling the 96% maths model, and so on.

So maybe it's as a simple as that, maybe that is part of the call from the client, 'Hello PNG server, please give me a result from the 94% maths model for Book Of Dead'. And maybe PNG did just leave that part of the request as a plain text variable in one of the server calls.

Anyway, if any of this stuff changes I've already gathered plenty of videos and screenshots for a video for the channel, I'm just keeping my powder dry until we can bottom things out.

This is the kind of thing where some input from trancemonkey might be useful

I'm afraid i don't know enough about online coding to explain why the RTP is sent to the client - could be so it can display it in the help file. Could be simple for the reason you suggest - although that would only make sense if they were running multiple maths models across the site - which of course may be true. They may run a lower RTP for people from Italy (for example) than for Germany.

The fact that PnG do RTP's as low as they do is not the issue here - market forces require many different RTP types (and taxation, and whatever) - but for me, what is important is that players are told the RTP, and what they are told is what they are getting.

Fruit machines in the UK are as low as 72%, but at least it says in on them, so it's up to the players if they play them or not.

 

[mmandre1]

So trueflip.io is saying:

a. They can’t change rtp - only the provider (meaning PlayNGo) can
b. They don’t know what the rtp for PlayNGo is or has been nor can they ever find out

pretty ridiculous arguments

 

[trancemonkey]

So trueflip.io is saying:

a. They can’t change rtp - only the provider (meaning PlayNGo) can
b. They don’t know what the rtp for PlayNGo is or has been nor can they ever find out

pretty ridiculous arguments

A) is true if you are referring to them being able to select an RTP the provider hasn't made.

B) Is quite simply untrue. What business would not know how much money they are making from the product they have on their website.

 

[Slottery]

Maybe support people don't have access to live RTP:s or even TRTP:s as they don't need to provide it to players. Can't imagine that this kind of players question would have gone anywhere higher.

 

[GunarsB]

Can you believe Legacy of dead 400spins no bonus, next day i get two bonuses in other slot and both pays 5x for low bet player this is scam
Just remember my words IF you cashout once in casino like this you will lose as weeks losing and losing!
I see fake streamer how losing 6 days 3K or more imagine for normal player with 100 eur how much is chance in lowered RTP slots!

I can believe that.
Just yesterday I tried DoA on 18p, after few some-x bonuses I've finally got a nice bonus round of little bit over than 500x. After some random games I've started to play BoD (my all time favourite game). Had more than a £100 balance, so played at £0.50 - £0.20. At the end I spent way over 500 spins, lots of teasers, but no bonus.
This is a legit casino, so there is no chance of doing something wrong from inside (still checked the RTP with new-found way ).
There are good days and there are bad days. For me both days happened in one session. It just happens.

 

[Marchev]

I get like 20 bonuses 10x thats it! THIS IS SCAM!!!!!!
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[GunarsB]

I get like 20 bonuses 10x thats it! THIS IS SCAM!!!!!!
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Just make it simple and don't play there. I believe that there are plenty other casinos, where you can play.

 

[Kroffe]

Didnt want to start a new thread just for this question so im borrowing this since its rtp-related.
Im wondering about what sites use the 98% version of Mystery reels megaways, without having the added jackpot-thingy.

Vera&John uses that version, but they have recently added the jackpot to it, wich kind of takes away the extra rtp and puts it closer to the normal 96% version.
At first they didnt add the jackpot to the megaways slots from red tiger, but now it seems all RT slots have the jackpot added.

 

[dionysus]

Didnt want to start a new thread just for this question so im borrowing this since its rtp-related.
Im wondering about what sites use the 98% version of Mystery reels megaways, without having the added jackpot-thingy.

Vera&John uses that version, but they have recently added the jackpot to it, wich kind of takes away the extra rtp and puts it closer to the normal 96% version.
At first they didnt add the jackpot to the megaways slots from red tiger, but now it seems all RT slots have the jackpot added.

I'd flag @Harry_BKK he's usually pretty good for knowing these at the top of his head

 

[Kroffe]

I'd flag @Harry_BKK he's usually pretty good for knowing these at the top of his head

Hah, now i dont need to.
Im only allowed to flag him for slotquestions 10 times per week, so i cant use them carelessly.
You only have 9 now tho.

 

[Harry_BKK]

AFAIK, Rizk has it at 98.06% without jackpots, probably other GiG and MT SecureTrade brands - Guts, Kaboo, Casino Calzone, etc.

Same goes for Unibet.

 

[Kroffe]

Cheers!
Will give it a go on Rizk or Unibet next time i play it then.
I will send 10% of the winnings as a thank you, provided that you accept responsibility for 50% of any losses that might occur.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Cheers!
Will give it a go on Rizk or Unibet next time i play it then.
I will send 10% of the winnings as a thank you, provided that you accept responsibility for 50% of any losses that might occur.

It might change soon as GiG sold Rizk and it siblings to Betsson AB just a few weeks ago. And I think they have the jackpots on Red Tiger Games.

 

[Kroffe]

It might change soon as GiG sold Rizk and it siblings to Betsson AB just a few weeks ago. And I think they have the jackpots on Red Tiger Games.

They do, but there are some exceptions.
None of the megaways slots have them added, and i think a couple other aswell.

 

[JohnSnow]

Would love to try the 84%, given it’s so easy to win on PNG, and I like a challenge.

lmao

I still don´t undrestand why playngo even offers this. Some kind of legal criminals this way.