Shock! Casino owners may change RTP in Play N'GO slots!

[Marchev]

this is how they put slots on pirate servers

 

[SpinUk]

Getting confirmation from PnG would be excellant. However, the evidence is pretty conclusive.

With the information gathered there are evident differences in the versions being played at different casinos. The evident difference is in the programming line which reads:

<custom><RTP Value=\"96"\"

Another version, as shown in screenshots would be:

<custom><RTP Value=\"84"\"

Sorry if it seems like im stating the obvious but what other possible explanation could there be for this source code from the PnG server.

Its a different RTP version. No other possible explanation.

Correct - no need to be so worried on this aspect

 

[Marchev]

I think post of @FAZI1 explains everything check the video

 

[Slottery]

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I think post of @FAZI1 explains everything check the video
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Unfortunately not really familiar with language in videos PnG website advise their default RTP which word they also use in material they provide to operators where are listed all RTP:s so don't really see that as a big fake but very short description of the game. They do provide information to all their customers in detail.

 

[mmandre1]

Trueflip.io has replied to my inquiry. They claim to don’t know much. Say that the rtp is now set at 96% and don’t want to comment on what the rtp was before.

I asked them to investigate and provide a real answer. Will see and update as soon as I hear back

 

[Slottery]

Will doubt they are commenting much further like they stated in their reply. Would be anyway more than weird that provider keep changing their RTP settings without them to be aware.

 

[goatwack]

Providers pulling shady tricks shocker

 

[Slottery]

Providers pulling shady tricks shocker

Haven't yet heard that them cheating their customers (operators) by secretly changing their RTP:S

 

[lewisnadasurf]

I wonder how the games play different with a different RTP.

Does the base game play the same? Is the % lost in the bonus?

Or is the whole game % lower?

 

[Slottery]

I wonder how the games play different with a different RTP.

Does the base game play the same? Is the % lost in the bonus?

Or is the whole game % lower?

There are various ways to make these changes of course, would assume that providers target is to make changes hard as possible to recognize and it seems that they are doing quite well in it.

Once when tested PnG with three different RTP:s, it was for people who are playing these slots daily, really difficult to find out which was what when let 5 days time to play much as just possible or after analyze gameplay from results and tell which one is running higher or lower RTP.

At least so far haven't heard that people who play these daily or analyze gameplays part of their job, would have been able to accurately point out which one run 96% and 94%. Personally wasn't able to accurately call which one is lower setting from 5 different game histories where one was lower.

 

[mack341]

Could someone summarise the issues/concerns currently, from the player's perspective, I'm getting a bit lost atm

 

[Slottery]

Could someone summarise the issues/concerns currently, from the player's perspective, I'm getting a bit lost atm

Guess main thing for most is that one big UK operator most probably are running different version of the game than advised

Then some normal Curacao with love thingies were their RTP have changed there and back some times within short period (casinos where most of people probably don't play if not forced by their country of residence). They anyway are not obligated to publish their RTP and them to do something weird is probably not that big thing for most than UK one.

If i follow right, one place who hold European license have had that discrepancy between information and reality and if that's happening, players have been playing games where theoretical RTP have been lower than informed

 

[Harry_BKK]

Trueflip.io has replied to my inquiry. They claim to don’t know much. Say that the rtp is now set at 96% and don’t want to comment on what the rtp was before.

I asked them to investigate and provide a real answer. Will see and update as soon as I hear back

Most of these smaller outfits get their games supplied by an aggregator, e.g. in your case Softgamings which is a sizeable provider, especially in the grey market. IIRC, they do have some connections to Georgia and Israel as they work with BetConstruct among others. Would need to check some stuff again, not really sure, my brain is sometimes like a sieve.

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The casino operators actually only use APIs to show the games. That is not to say that they could agree with an aggregator on a lower RTP as they will have all versions available supplied directly from PnG. Would be a case of switching APIs in the background, a matter of 10 seconds or a minute at most.

 

[curremon]

I've tried to check a few casino's but I'm only seeing "D=" and nothing else. I'm sure I'm missing a step

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[colinsunderland]

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Its not adblock, it's the wrong file. You have to wait until the game has loaded completely then look through 3 or four that look like they have the same name, if sorted alphabetically then its usually the 4th in the list.

 

[bamberfishcake]

On Cashmio the only PlaynGo I see they run at a lower RTP version is Wild Frames. Says 94% version in the help files and 94 in code - 94% version.

Book Of Dead, Reactoonz, Rise Of Olympus, Gemix, Sword & The Grail - 96% versions. All correctly stated.

Checked all and coding matches.

The only difference between them all is only Wild Frames shows the coding at the 94 version. The others read 96 so the coding stacks up with whats being stated in the help files.

Sometimes refreshing the page and/or waiting a little for code to load helped me find it also.

 

[Marchev]

Trueflip.io has replied to my inquiry. They claim to don’t know much. Say that the rtp is now set at 96% and don’t want to comment on what the rtp was before.

I asked them to investigate and provide a real answer. Will see and update as soon as I hear back

TrueFlip are LYING ALWAYS need to know this!!!!

 

[bamberfishcake]

Ive been wondering if its possible for the version to be switched whilst in the middle of a session?

I doubt it as any interruption to the game would refresh but it would explain the ole 'games played whilst wagering the bonus but died out at the end' feeling.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Ive been wondering if its possible for the version to be switched whilst in the middle of a session?

I doubt it as any interruption to the game would refresh but it would explain the ole 'games played whilst wagering the bonus but died out at the end' feeling.

You mean when you get the "connection to the server is slow" message?

 

[bamberfishcake]

You mean when you get the "connection to the server is slow" message?

Now there's a thought, we should stop now or every glitch, slow reel or slight delay will start making us paranoid.......i can see me now when Jack and The Beanstalk does the clunky reel bonus tell, frantically checking code....oh wait, thats Netent - no need for them yet.

But seriously...when the fun stops!

 

[Marchev]

Ive been wondering if its possible for the version to be switched whilst in the middle of a session?

I doubt it as any interruption to the game would refresh but it would explain the ole 'games played whilst wagering the bonus but died out at the end' feeling.

Yeah thats true and happens in Cuaracao casinos i get errors like this in Horus casino and may russian ones, they start lagging and get error after refresh get like 20 dead spins to complete 600eur wager i spend 240eur this is one of sketchy things they do so i exclude myself from 95% of Curacao casinos!

 

[Slottery]

Yeah thats true and happens in Cuaracao casinos i get errors like this in Horus casino and may russian ones, they start lagging and get error after refresh get like 20 dead spins to complete 600eur wager i spend 240eur this is one of sketchy things they do so i exclude myself from 95% of Curacao casinos!

So you have checked that your gameplay is changed middle of your session? Anything can happen in Curacao but there's very little difference if your one session is running what ever RTP and it changing RTP don't make game to give you 20 dead spins right away but they behave very similar way than higher RTP version.

edit: and somebody monitoring single players to switch different RTP middle of session sounds already bit too much bad movie and conspiracy theory

 

[Marchev]

As i said i have to wager 600eur and wager so badly!
Always if do new account in curacao russian casino i get lucky
i do easy with 50eur deposit 500eur
but after 1K wager is left and so fkn hard to complete without wasting half or more of balance....
I see how games pays fist day and IF i cashout BIG you get so cold slots next MONTH....

Tell me mister how is possible to cashout good money
and never happens again i waste like 50 deposits for year in this casinos just to be sure slots are really cold!
And that happens always in this scammy casinos they give you hype for short time!
They use pirate servers and control everything!
They write also a lot fake reviews on websites to keep good reputation,
once i write review on AskGamblers
the website accept the review and
on next day "manager" from casino trying to say i lying
i win so much and cashout i am lier but the truth is i am - 5K eur
and they try to delete my bad review with saying i am lier
Yeah but that not happens because i can show screenshots!

Also in casinos like that you cant exclude your account, always need to contact with support they asking why and serve weird offers like freespins with 40x wager also they get so fast deposits like 1K 5 days in a row but if you ask to cashout 5K they will delay 10days to verify you just because they are poor!
They offer streamers to play with fake money just because if play on cold slots with own money will be streamers for a month or week
I see how streamers like this losing like 20K per week in this fkn fake casinos and they tilt so fake but that works for supids. They just get clean revenue from believers!
But i try like 10 curacao casinos and always is same sht...

If someone think it's not true i can send casinos to try and i can bet will happen same what i say.

 

[Slottery]

Still would like to see something bit more concrete than own feeling that even these scum operators would change you middle of your session to other server where some game would run with 0% RTP. If you can get your gameplay history from any of such a places and show where it happened, will promise to go it through and ask some second opinions from people who really are familiar with analyzing analyzing game histories because doing it as part of they work.

Until that i don't really buy that story but if you can get such a game history, it can be seen if something is changed to near 0 RTP which is not then anymore provided by PnG or any other operators. Just changing your RTP to from 96% to 84% don't make that remarkable change in gameplay you are referring to.

You have chance to prove me wrong by getting some examples where enough spins are played (you can't really judge anything for few dead spins or lost balance as that happen for any games).

 

[Marchev]

Still would like to see something bit more concrete than own feeling that even these scum operators would change you middle of your session to other server where some game would run with 0% RTP. If you can get your gameplay history from any of such a places and show where it happened, will promise to go it through and ask some second opinions from people who really are familiar with analyzing analyzing game histories because doing it as part of they work.

Until that i don't really buy that story but if you can get such a game history, it can be seen if something is changed to near 0 RTP which is not then anymore provided by PnG or any other operators. Just changing your RTP to from 96% to 84% don't make that remarkable change in gameplay you are referring to.

You have chance to prove me wrong by getting some examples where enough spins are played (you can't really judge anything for few dead spins or lost balance as that happen for any games).

Why in legit casinos like i never get this lags and errors ??? Why i can win each week and same day in 3 scam casinos i lose but in MGA popular casinos WOW i can be lucky too much really!