Sheriff & Betsoft gaming counterfeit Netent slots?

Osloking

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I was just checking some slots made by betsoft and sheriff gaming, (i belive they are the same people behind these two company)

and i saw they have released 2 slots that is almost exact as Gonzos quest and the other is Jack and the beanstalk.

is this this llegal or is it illegal? and check their new game out, it has RTP of 70%! :eek:
 

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I am not very familiar with games from Betsoft and Sheriff myself as they are a bit too much for my taste (too many effects etc).

But several reputable casinos (including for example the accredited Mr Green) are offering some games from one or both of these suppliers. Quickfire powered by Microgaming has just recently also inked a deal with Sheriff, so more Quickfire casinos will most likely add Sheriff games in the near future.

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But 70% :eek: Can that be correct? :eek2:

I looked at some of their other newer games and TRTP% ranged from 90%-97% (checked 4-5 different games).

Bit strange to even see online slots with TRP as low as 90%. That is terrible.

What is the name of the 70% game?
 

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and check their new game out, it has RTP of 70%! :eek:

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But 70% :eek: Can that be correct? :eek2:


This has got to be a typo surely, I am hoping its mean to be 90.86 as that is at least acceptable or we have one very honest designer :notworthy

As for the legal issue, I am not to sure about this as I am no expert on the legality of it but I do know that plenty of software providers copy each other.

3Dice Tut = Micro Isis

NetEnt Real Steal = Micro BDBA

are just some of the examples.
 

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I have sent an e-mail to an affiliate manager who is working for a casino that is offering Jack's T-Rex. Maybe he could clarify this for us. I will let you know :D
 

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That's pretty weird considering that Netent cloned MG's BTBA with Reel Steal.

Would it be possible that they can't copyright how a slot works (paytable, bonus rounds, etc), but they can only copyright the names and graphics? That would explain a lot of things.
 

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Magical Forest seems much more reminiscent of the WMS slot Crystal Forest.

I'd be very surprised if that RTP is correct, I know the rest of their games are all in the mid 90s range.

You can't copyright avalanche reels or standard reels (I assume someone could once but didn't) and you certainly can't copyright the use of an Aztec (look at how many Ancient Egyptian themed slots there are).
 

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I don't think the same people are behind these two software providers (Betsoft and Sheriff Gaming)

The latter is based in the Netherlands, and both companies have had strong representation at industry expos in recent years, quite openly displaying their products and behaving in a professional manner.

Both are also active in media communications when they have new slots.

As someone else has already mentioned, they have both been involved in licence agreements with major companies in the business.
 

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I'd be very surprised if that RTP is correct, I know the rest of their games are all in the mid 90s range.

Yes, they have many games where the TRTP is around 95%. But I also saw a bunch of games with a TRTP% of around 90. Or for example Dr.Magoo's Adventure with a TRTP of 88.75%.

Quite terrible :eek:

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I misunderstood.

I have the Betsoft RTPs and there is no slot not in the respectable range (all basically mid 90s).

The two really low RTPs highlighted here are Sheriff games.
If they are true that's definitely a concern. Who would play at those RTPs, and who wouldn't notice after a while?

Rainy let us know as soon as you hear, I was going to consider introducing these.

Andy
 

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Oh no...another one!

I'm starting to wonder if those RTP's aren't generated automatically and adjusted from the win/loss ratio of people playing the games.

It wouldn't make much sense, since it would defeat the purpose of the word "theoretical", but with that kind of numbers it does look like that.

Did you notice any change since you first looked at them?
 

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I'm starting to wonder if those RTP's aren't generated automatically and adjusted from the win/loss ratio of people playing the games.

It wouldn't make much sense, since it would defeat the purpose of the word "theoretical", but with that kind of numbers it does look like that.

Did you notice any change since you first looked at them?

I have not noticed any change, but there must be some kind of explanation to this. I checked Jack's T-Rex (the 70% game) in the demo version on sheriffgaming.com now and there it says that the minimum TRTP% is 92.02 hehe.
 

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I have not noticed any change, but there must be some kind of explanation to this. I checked Jack's T-Rex (the 70% game) in the demo version on sheriffgaming.com now and there it says that the minimum TRTP% is 92.02 hehe.

They have changed it to 92.02% since yesterday now :eek2: let's hope it was a typo and not "tell the designer to just write randon number between 90-96 and they will be quiet at the forum"
 

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I did send an e-mail to Sheriff Gaming yesterday with a link to this thread. A fellow member told me now that they have signed up at Casinomeister with this account: https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/

Their account has not been activated yet, but maybe they will give us an explanation in this thread :thumbsup:

Osloking: the casino I checked yesterday is still listing Jacks T-rex as 70%
 

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Reply from Sheriff Gaming

My name is Eric Roskamp and I am the spokesperson of Sheriff Gaming.

I would like to reply to the above posts. I had to wait for approval from the Casinomeister management so was not able to reply immediately.

First I would like to clarify that Sheriff Gaming and Betsoft Gaming are two different companies and are definitely not connected with each other.

One of the highest priorities of Sheriff Gaming is "Fair Gaming" and we're always aiming for the best gaming experience. Therefor all of our games have an average RTP between 93 and 97.5%, including Jack's T-Rex and Dr. Magoo. All of our games have been certified by Alderney and because of their regulations we have to advertise the theoretical minimum RTP which in the case of cascading reels is a lot lower with 1 active win-line than with maximum win-lines active. This is caused by the fact that the free spins, played on 1 active win-line result in less winning combinations and therefor less benefits of the multiplier or re-dropping combinations.
Even though the theoretical minimum RTP of Jack's T-Rex is 70%, the actual average RTP is 94.5%, which can be confirmed by the support department of the casino in which you play our games.


I hope this clears up the confusion and once again my apologizes for the late reply.
 

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I'm starting to wonder if those RTP's aren't generated automatically and adjusted from the win/loss ratio of people playing the games.

It wouldn't make much sense, since it would defeat the purpose of the word "theoretical", but with that kind of numbers it does look like that.

Did you notice any change since you first looked at them?
When these Sheriff Gaming slots were on the Rival platform last year I added them to my list of Rival slot's RTPs.
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At that time Dr.Magoo was stated as having an RTP of 97% = the highest of all their slots. The lowest RTP was 95%.

KK
 

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Perhaps more clarity is needed, such as stating that the very low RTP is when playing only 1 line, and quoting the figure for max lines too.

Such low RTP values visible to the player with nothing in the way of explanation will create increasing negative sentiment for the company.

I am also surprised this hasn't arisen before with Alderney and other softwares, perhaps you have misinterpreted the requirements, or other software providers have.


A quick fix would be to make max lines compulsory on such slots, with a minimum bet of 1c per line. This would be "fair gaming" as it would make it impossible for players to unknowingly play at under 80% RTP by selecting fewer lines.

I also wonder whether this issue afflicts the MGS slot Tomb Raider II, which also has cascading reels in free spins. MGS later made many new games pay "ways", which means that the issue would not occur on these.
 

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I am also surprised this hasn't arisen before with Alderney and other softwares, perhaps you have misinterpreted the requirements, or other software providers have.

That is a good point yes as I have notr seen other providers doing it like this.

Another point made by KK is why did some of these games have a higher TRTP% last year with 95% being the lowest?
 

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My name is Richard Lunceford, and I am a product manager here at Betsoft Gaming.

First, I would like to confirm that Betsoft Gaming is not affiliated in any way, shape, or form with Sheriff Gaming. We are two completely separate entities. Betsoft Gaming was incorporated in 2005 and is widely regarded as the innovator and leader in cinematic 3D Gaming, being the first to the market with its amazing Slots3 brand since 2008. Betsoft has over 70 licensees and a firmly established reputation for top quality, entertaining games of the highest caliber.

In regards to the game Rook's Revenge, I would like to point out that Rook's Revenge is in fact the 3rd release in our well-loved "Aztec" series. The first Aztec game was released back in 2006, under the title "Aztec Treasure". It was a 3 reel "hold" style slot, that featured the Aztec chief Rook. Feel free to try out a demo of it here at:
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2 years later we made a traditional 5 reel slot with the same character, and added a few more characters and features to the game as it became a part of our flagship Slots3 family of 3D Slots. We released it under the title "Aztec Treasures" and re branded the original 3 x 3 Hold style game to "Aztec Treasure 3x3". Aztec Treasures is still featured in our Slots3 Library, and a demo of it can be seen here: Old / Expired Link

That brings us to Rook's Revenge which is a 5 reel cascading style slot machine. We had been planning for many months to create a new installment of the Aztec Series, and when one of our Operators made a request for "a Cascading Reel style game with the unique 3D style Betsoft is renowned for", to quote the operator, and as a result it was an obvious choice to combine the two. The result is one of our most visually appealing games for 2012, and it has proven to be very popular with players and operators alike. You can check out a demo of Rook's Revenge here at: Old / Expired Link

Aztec Treasure 3x3 (released 2006):
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Aztec Treasures (released 2008):
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Rook's Revenge (released 2012):
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As you can see from the screenshots of each game, the character and artistic style has been consistent since it was first created 6 years ago

And finally, with regards to the RTP for our games, Betsoft's games are all developed, tested, and certified by TST Global to be no lower than 93% RTP, with many of our Slots3 products certified as complying with the Alderney Gambling Control Commission's requirements. Some of our games, such as Slots Angels, one of our breakout hits of 2012, and A Night In Paris, one of our leading titles from 2011, both of which have an RTP of 97% with very high payouts due to the way the features work. I have personally witnessed players walking away with 5k-10k coin wins on a single pull, multiple times in a single sitting.

We strongly believe that any RTP below 93% is simply not palatable to players and as such we try to strike a delicate balance to satisfy the wants of the players with the needs of their operators. In my opinion, I think Betsoft achieves that.
 
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