SERIOUS PROBLEM (please read)

[babs7262]

Your right Jenn......

hey babs? You don't have to prove anything to anyone other than your bank, and the casino's in question, and perhaps Bryan as he's stepped in to help. If you know it's not malware, good enough! You've got nothing at all to prove to anyone else.

Hope this all gets worked out, scary stuff.

and Thank you, but I want to prove it because alot of ppl doubt or maybe even dont want to come to the realization that this is happening. Someone has to do it and if it jeapordizes my accounts with the casinos, then they dont care,but so far, its not the case, theyve been working with me in private.

I sound like a broken record but......I AM NOT BLAMING THESE CASINOS, I AM BLAMING THE PEOPLE THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD TRUST and I will continue to gamble at these places but will use a reloadable card that I can buy.

 

[silcnlayc]

As I stated before..the info@voipvibes.com withdrawal is from Jackpotcity most likely since I have the same exact thing on my account for the amount I deposited less 1 cent. I don't know how many others have received an email from the casinos probably about a month ago stating they are changing over to a new processing system and your withdrawal will show up showing less once cent.

I wish I had saved it but I didn't.

As for the vintagevibez it is the same thing. That was in the email also and my withdrawals match up less the one cent for these too. I checked my account and I have these posted for withdrawals.

The casinos are bing very innovative with these withdrawals since it is hard for the US to deposit, this is the way the can be guaranteed payment. My bank called me on one of these deposits asking if I was buying a lot of jewelry since I made 4 deposts in one month and the receiver showed up as a jewelry store. I knew it wasn't. It was a casino deposit for the amounts matched. I said yes so it wouldn't red flag those withdrawals and they would clear.

Just thought I should pass this along so there isn't a mass panic. The casinos are doing these things to keep and make it easier for US to deposit with credit cards and such which is what I still use and is accepted.

 

[ugaboga]

Good point. It could be a way for Casinos accepting U.S customers to bypass the ban on online gambling in the U.S enforced on financial institutions.

It seems they're operating their merchant accounts as record selling websites or selling voip services and they've gone to the extent of setting up a website for each of these merchant accounts, I wouldn't be surprised if they had to resort to this, all be it very confusing for the player.

Smart

 

[chayton]

Wow Babs, I hope that all works out and it doesn't cost you too much. Not only do you get double charged, but then the banks start adding their fees and penalties.

Keep us posted on what you find out, ok? Good luck to you!

 

[babs7262]

Thanks Chayton

I understand what you guys are saying about them wording it different but that is not my case. As you can see, the casino names are written, they dont have to lie or change the name because I am in a legalized state

My bank Manager even knows and she see's there's a problem. It will say blah bah casino and then another charge from the record place, not only that I got billed twice for a place yesterday before I closed the card and didnt even gamble yesterday and that also is being taken care of

This is not to start a panic...it is to educate and make people aware and pay more attention.Again, Im just as guilty for not paying more attention. It's just not casinos, it's gas stations, stores, etc... noone is perfect and mistakes can be made. I dont know one person who has NEVER had a wrong charge on their bank. It happens everyday. This just happens to be casino related this time and it IS being taken care of

 

[babs7262]

I just received a phonecall

I have something very important to say. I just got a call from CW (I wont yet divulge his name but will in PM's)

He ASKED me to tell you this:

If there is anyone that is having the same problem as me with his Casino, He is ENCOURING you to PM me and get his name. He has been looking over statements and seeing it for himself and is very concerned. He said If Im just coming foward it will look like a fluke but if 3 come foward, he can do a full blown investigation

He is also aware that I am not blaming the casino and he as well is a victim. He really wants to help but unless people come to him, he cant do anything. I told him that a few of you PM'd me. Those of you that have had this problem when making a CW deposit, PLEASE write them and let them know. It's okay if your afraid to PM me to get the name, that would be better but not necessary.

We talked at length and realize there are some people in the world you cannot trust and you do the best you can to protect others but this will happen, no matter where you purchase.

 

[heatherad]

Kudos to CW in doing what they can to rectify this situation.
I have been depositing there for months and have not run into this problem, thank goodness.
Maybe its because of my deposit method but I will be double checking my statements just to be on the safe side.
This is exactly the reason why I have a separate bank account used just for online gambling. I put into the account the exact amount of money I will be using and nothing more.
Hope everything gets resolved here quickly and good luck.

And yes, I know it is the processor and not the Casino that is at fault.

 

[jenn1381]

I also deposit at CW at least once a week. I have been checking to make sure the right amount comes out of my bank account and it's been good, not had a problem yet. Glad to see CW owning up to the fact that it could be coming from their processors instead of trying to hide it and hope that it will go away. Class act IMHO. Now I know why I give them so much of my money... lol

Keep us in the loop, babs! Hopefully they dump the crooked processors and come out with bells whistling, warning other casino's not to use them.

 

[bayleesprings]

OH WOW!

Babs,
The same thing happened to me when I tried to make my first deposit into GM. However, my transaction "timed out" and vintagevibez got my $75, as that was the only thing left on my prepaid credit card. So I guess GM doesn't really owe me anything, since they obviously didn't get their money. I am just hesitant to play there because of this. Had I had $150 on their it would all be gone now. My card was a Greendot card, so it's not like I can walk into the bank to dispute it. I called GD and they said that "someone" got my money because it had an auth #. I thought at first that GM might have been using vintagevibes instead of the voipvibes that I usually see when playing at 777dragon. I contacted GM but they told me that they were not responsible for trans that time out. I explained to them that I had just made an attempt to deposit and I watched the hourglass for over 5 mins...as I know better than to hit the back button or anything. But after 5 mins, I exited out of the casino and went back in to retry the deposit. Low and behold, it was declined. I checked my GD acct online and it showed a pending trans for the exact amt, going to vintagevibes. I simply could not beleive that they blew me off and decided that I would spend my money elsewhere. However, it looks as though they weren't the ones that got my money. What is going on with these processing companies?

I guess now I should contact GD and let them know what's going on. They'll probably tell me "tough shit" because gambling is illegal or something. I've been able to use my GD card at Grand Prive casinos for months now, but that all ended a couple weeks ago...but that's another story.

I hope everything works out for you!!!

 

[bayleesprings]

OMG, WTF?

Ok, I just went to Greendot to get a snapshot for you guys showing the vintagevibes charge and low and behold, ANOTHER transaction for the EXACT amount I successfully deposited into 777dragon last night was on there as, you guessed it, vintagevibez.

Sooo...it looks like someone's double-dipping, Babs. And it looks like GM owes me the $75 deposit that timed out.

Look at the following and let me know what you guys think!!! Please note that the $49.30 was ALL that was left on my card and it successfully went to 777dragon, and I played it, as the history shows...so I know for a fact that the "vintagevibez" charge is them.

GD Transactions:
11 /01/2007 - $75.00 24245007305110100654986 VINTAGEVIBEZ
+18663986917 ,

11 /06/2007 $55.00 74892127312000000028373 FUNDING RECEIVED
000 ,

11 /07/2007 - $49.30 24245007311110700671770 VINTAGEVIBEZ
+18663986917 ,


777dragon trans history:

6 Nov 2007 1291655 Card 4892xxx4421 USD 49.30
Crazy Commerce, www.firepay.com, www.proccyber.com 49.30

8 Nov 2007 1293198 Card 4892xxx4421 USD 95.00
Crazy Commerce, www.firepay.com, www.proccyber.com 95.00

9 Nov 2007 1293265 Card 4892xxx4421 USD 100.00
Crazy Commerce, www.firepay.com, www.proccyber.com 100.00

 

[daera]

The same thing happened to me when I tried to make my first deposit into GM. However, my transaction "timed out" and vintagevibez got my $75, as that was the only thing left on my prepaid credit card. So I guess GM doesn't really owe me anything, since they obviously didn't get their money. I am just hesitant to play there because of this. Had I had $150 on their it would all be gone now. My card was a Greendot card, so it's not like I can walk into the bank to dispute it. I called GD and they said that "someone" got my money because it had an auth #.

Bayleesprings, is the amount showing as a pending charge on your GD statement online or has it posted? Because if it's still in pending and timed out, then it doesn't mean anyone got your money yet.. and it may fall back to your card. That happens with timed out cc transactions when they don't go all the way through and credit to your casino account sometimes. It's happened to me lots of times. Where the casino sees it as pending and the cc company sees it as auth approved. After so many days the auth number would expire and the pending charge would go back to my available balance on my card. I hope that's all it is for you.

It's still a big inconvenience but it happens.

 

[happygobrokey]

this feels like a third-party malware of some kind to me. either the customers are being trojaned or keystroke-logged, or the security of the connection is compromised and the information intercepted at some point, or the business end itself is infected and giving up your data. whoever stole the info then rings up a "sale" at vintagevinyl or whatever to get the money off your card.

whatever it is, it's a pita i'll bet. hope it sorts itself out. take care,

 

[daera]

As you can see, the casino names are written, they dont have to lie or change the name because I am in a legalized state

What country do you live in Babs? All U.S. states are affected by U.I.G.E.A., which has to do with the credit card companies and online gambling transactions.

 

[Mephisto]

hope this is going to be resolved, i thought grand mondial was a great brand

 

[daera]

hope this is going to be resolved, i thought grand mondial was a great brand

Grand Mondial IS a good brand.
I'm confident this whole thing is some sort of mistake.

 

[vinylweatherman]

This seem pretty serious, mistakes like this happen all the time, but the sheer frequency they are happening in these examples beggars belief. This looks like a deliberate scam, rather than the odd few isolated mistakes. I find less than one mistake a year through all my banking facilities.
I am surprised the BANK didn't block the second duplicate transaction, as it was not just for the same amount, but the EXACT same time down to the second. It is just not possible for this to be genuine, even had both sites been open and the purchases done one after the other, there would be a few seconds difference.
The case where the transaction timed out but somehow still went to the duplicate company, is odder still, it shows the duplicates are indeed being triggered before the casino completes the transaction, and the fact they are to the exact same second indicates a pre-programmed automatic process.
This may have affected a very large number of players who just have not noticed, not just those where the problem was big enough to cause problems with their accounts running out of funds (which prompted them to investigate).
With the banks getting involved with resolving these issues, there is the danger that the methods casinos use will become compromised, and indeed will fuel the opinion of the DoJ that they are just criminal organisations pretending to be reputable businesses.
Whoever is to blame, the system was designed by the casinos, and what seems to have happened is that it has become very screwed up, and there have either been monumental mistakes made, or someone is taking advantage of a security loophole and intends to milk it for as much as possible before the inevitable happens and it gets discovered (as has now happened).
This will lead to casinos suffering heavy losses as these "duplicate" charges are unwound by the banks, and casinos can not protest too much as the "companies" officially have nothing to do with them. If "vintagevinyl" or whatever is just the casino, when the money is recovered, it will end up coming from the casino, and money will also be recovered where thare has been NO duplicate charge, which could be a real loss. These processors will then be blocked, not for being a casino, but for mass fraud on US bank accounts. With them being registered in the UK, our regulators could be asked to investigate these entities, and at this point it may be discovered they are a front, and this really IS "money laundering".

This thread should perhaps now be migrated to the ATB section (please!).

 

[babs7262]

Very Interesting

Are you guys saying it's only happening (so far) to us USA residents and noone else.? Boy, that is rich. Im beginning to think Vinyl may be right as well as the previous poster, almost like a "thats what you get for gaming in the USA when your not suppose to" But still, I am not doing anything illegal. This really bothers me (this US thing) Again, it's only 13 states out of 50, That is alot of ppl allowed left to game online.

And GM is a good outfit, even though I cant ever win LOL...but I dont recall any problems as far as winners not getting money etc..

I havnt gambled since Wednesday night, Im not saying the casinos lost a fortune , but because of this, I cant gamble until I get a card because I dont have my visa anymore (they marked it hot) and I cant drive so Im stuck looking at peoples' screenshots and wishing I could play. I HATE funmode, it's not the same, it's like nearbeer

Maybe Rich can take me to buy one before Laurie starts gaming. I would also like to thank Mario at GM for giving me a little sumpin sumpin to give me a little time with the games

 

[lojo]

Go to superior or simon says or slotocash if you like Rival games, go to cashier, then to redeem coupon... there is usualy a little sumpn sumpn there for new accounts

 

[daera]

I havnt gambled since Wednesday night, Im not saying the casinos lost a fortune , but because of this, I cant gamble until I get a card because I dont have my visa anymore (they marked it hot) and I cant drive so Im stuck looking at peoples' screenshots and wishing I could play. I HATE funmode, it's not the same, it's like nearbeer

Hey Babs,

Do you have Quicktender? If not, you should ask one of the casinos you play at to send you an invite. You can order a prepaid Wired Plastic card from their website at www.wiredplastic.com and have the card in a week or two, with several ways to fund it, including moneygram and western union.

If you check around, you might find other ways to deposit and play besides just your Visa.

Sorry you're having these problems.

 

[babs7262]

Hey Babs,

Do you have Quicktender? If not, you should ask one of the casinos you play at to send you an invite. You can order a prepaid Wired Plastic card from their website at www.wiredplastic.com and have the card in a week or two, with several ways to fund it, including moneygram and western union.

If you check around, you might find other ways to deposit and play besides just your Visa.

Sorry you're having these problems.[/QUOTE


Funny you asked that! Inet has been promising me with over 3 or 4 PM's :you'll be getting that invite in the next 24 hours or so" its now going on 3 weeks. Maybe Il ask Enzo or Mario. Thank You

 

[lojo]

All the casino can do is make the request to quicktender; qt sends the invitation on casino's behalf and you click a coded link. It'll come

 

[babs7262]

bumping for Bingo T...he cant find this lol

 

[BingoT]

LOL
Not this one
The one that had the card trick in it.

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And you even Thanked me for it lol
It had this in it.

 

[babs7262]

OMG that is way tooo funny Bingo. I thought you meant this one. My memory is getting worse with each episode, Lojo said I answered a PM that I dont remember even getting.

 

[BingoT]

OMG that is way tooo funny Bingo. I thought you meant this one. My memory is getting worse with each episode, Lojo said I answered a PM that I dont remember even getting.

It's ok we all know the older we get we lose it at times.