Send the ACLU a CHRISTMAS CARD this year

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*So true – they want to take GOD out of everything, but they sure do not hesitate to take the holiday pay from their jobs and what do they do… Holiday shop?

Send the ACLU a CHRISTMAS CARD this year

IF EVERYONE IN THIS NATION WHO RESPECTS CHRISTMAS FOR WHAT IT STANDS FOR WILL DO THIS, MAYBE THE WING NUTS IN THIS OUTFIT WILL GET THE IDEA THAT THEY ARE OUTNUMBERED !
Pass this on to your church, co-workers, family, and friends. What do you have to lose but 47 cents, what do you have to gain ----------- more than you will ever know.
What a clever idea! Yes, Christmas cards. This is coming early so that you can get ready to include an important address to your list.
Want to have some fun this CHRISTMAS?
Send the ACLU a CHRISTMAS CARD this year.
As they are working so very hard to get rid of the CHRISTMAS part of this holiday, we should all send them a nice, card to brighten up their dark, sad, little world. Make sure it says "Merry Christmas" on it.
Here's the address, just don't be rude or crude:
ACLU
125 Broad Street , 18th Floor
New York , NY 10004

Two tons of Christmas cards would freeze their operations because they wouldn't know if any were regular mail containing contributions. So spend 44 cents and tell the ACLU to leave Christmas alone. Also tell them that there is no such thing as a
" Holiday Tree". It's always been called a CHRISTMAS TREE!

And pass this on to your email lists. We really want to communicate with the ACLU! They really DESERVE us!!

For those of you who aren't aware of them, the ACLU, (the American Civil Liberties Union) is the one suing the U.S. Government to take God, Christmas or anything religious away from us. They represent the atheists and others in this war. Help put Christ back in Christmas!
 
*So true – they want to take GOD out of everything, but they sure do not hesitate to take the holiday pay from their jobs and what do they do… Holiday shop?

Send the ACLU a CHRISTMAS CARD this year

IF EVERYONE IN THIS NATION WHO RESPECTS CHRISTMAS FOR WHAT IT STANDS FOR WILL DO THIS, MAYBE THE WING NUTS IN THIS OUTFIT WILL GET THE IDEA THAT THEY ARE OUTNUMBERED !
Pass this on to your church, co-workers, family, and friends. What do you have to lose but 47 cents, what do you have to gain ----------- more than you will ever know.
What a clever idea! Yes, Christmas cards. This is coming early so that you can get ready to include an important address to your list.
Want to have some fun this CHRISTMAS?
Send the ACLU a CHRISTMAS CARD this year.
As they are working so very hard to get rid of the CHRISTMAS part of this holiday, we should all send them a nice, card to brighten up their dark, sad, little world. Make sure it says "Merry Christmas" on it.
Here's the address, just don't be rude or crude:
ACLU
125 Broad Street , 18th Floor
New York , NY 10004

Two tons of Christmas cards would freeze their operations because they wouldn't know if any were regular mail containing contributions. So spend 44 cents and tell the ACLU to leave Christmas alone. Also tell them that there is no such thing as a
" Holiday Tree". It's always been called a CHRISTMAS TREE!

And pass this on to your email lists. We really want to communicate with the ACLU! They really DESERVE us!!

For those of you who aren't aware of them, the ACLU, (the American Civil Liberties Union) is the one suing the U.S. Government to take God, Christmas or anything religious away from us. They represent the atheists and others in this war. Help put Christ back in Christmas!
Tom, what's your evidence for the ACLU fighting to abolish Christmas? Can you point to me the court case or are you just forwarding a chain e-mail without checking the facts?
 
Hey, I know! Let's give the ACLU a chance to answer....

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An exerpt..
First, the constitutional right of people to worship, preach, sing carols, and celebrate Christmas in their churches and with their families and friends — whether in public or in private — is well-protected. The ACLU itself has brought several cases on behalf of people who want to celebrate Christmas.6 When the smoke of battle clears, Christmas is completely safe. The real question is not whether people can celebrate Christmas (they most certainly can), but whether the government should be promoting religious beliefs and practices (it most certainly shouldn't).

The whole thing is well worth a read, including some links to the actual origins of a lot of today's Christmas traditions....Including the use of a tree/wreath/evergreens, which began in pagan tradition and was taken up much later by various Christian groups. Since the tree is used by more than one belief system this time of year, I don't see a problem using the words "holiday tree" if one wants to honor the other beliefs.
 
jelsmith: Im an athiest. Im not with the ACLU though. I dont care what people call it. As long as Im getting that day off....
My thoughts on beliefs....

If you want to follow your beliefs in choosing to claim there is no God....then that is your right...
I take it you will be working that day, then , since it is an official religous holiday and those that observe their religion are the ones that are allowed to have that time off ...?

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See where you're coming from

G'day Bingo
Being a 'used to be' catholic I can see where you're coming from, although I think your idea of the mail storm is a bit childish. However I'm also totally pissed that my country Australia and the US are always pandering toward minority groups.
Whether we are atheists or devout Christians doesn't matter one iota as long as we treat each other with respect. I think this can be done without changing the culture of a country. Love it or hate it Chistianity has been the tradition in our countries for hundreds of years and in my book that history deserves a little respect. That doesn't mean you have any obligation whatsoever to believe or even celebrate the occasion but surely the idea should be allowed to continue.
Can you imagine going to the middle east and deciding that we rename Ramadam? "Yea! No worries mate"
On the other hand all religions have a lot to answer for. My great grandparents came from Ireland as they were persecuted for being Catholics. Many of the major wars throughout history were caused by Religion. However if a tradition like Christmas has to be renamed to suit five percent of the population then we have lost the plot as a civilisation.
Cheers
Davey
 
don,t worrie about it bingoT that e-mail has been around alot.

i really can,t stand the ACLU for alot of their views on things.

but to each his own.

marry x-mas and have a very happy and safe new year.


hope its better then this one.:rolleyes:
 
The reason why no one has to worry about the ACLU taking away a holiday, is because it is not a true practice that honors the Lord Jesus.

A few years ago when there was a movement to remove commandments from public institutions, prayer from school, there was also a movement that may now be forgotten, that it was politically incorrect to to use phrases that have been used for such a long time.

Store windows that were decorated with pictures of pine cones, ribbons, misteltoe also had sayings like Merry Christmas, now it is only permited to write on your store windows, Happy Holidays. Why is this?

So the ACLU states they condone and encourage the practice of belief of the holy day. What one should ask is who's holy day is it?

Until recently I too celebrated the holidays just as everyone else, as parents teach their children and their parents taught them, all the way back to ancient times when these traditions were born from pagan rituals and practices.

Wikipedia gives a brief explanation of how the holiday, is a mix of christian and pagan practice. The pagan part is what any christian should really be examing here and ask if what we do pleases God or not.

If you study the bible, you will find no mention or encouragment of such practices. In fact you will find that we are commanded to not take up the ways of the pagans, yet we do. Must be alright, since everyone does it and always have. But God's word does not change, what God put into law is meant to stay into law.

If you take the time to do a search on the meaning and origin of all the practices that is done on this "holiday", you will find they were all brought into and corrupted the law of God and his people.

Here are just a couple links to examine the evidence behind this holiday, if anyone cares to read them. But you can look it up yourselves as well.

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"Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith the Lord, LEARN NOT THE WAY OF THE HEATHEN, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them [such as the waning sun at the winter solstice!]. For the CUSTOMS of the people are VAIN [empty, useless, worthless]: for one CUTTETH A TREE out of the FOREST, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They DECK IT WITH SILVER AND WITH GOLD; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good" (Jer. 10:1-5).

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So basically one day you may start seeing Happy Saturnalia written on storefront windows. Because the rituals will not be banished, they will only reflect what they truly celebrate.

So all I ask, is that you look it up yourselves. For those who are professed atheists, I can understand it when you can't tell the difference between a Christian from the rest of the world.

No where when Jesus walked the earth did he shower himself and his disciples with gifts, or expected the people to shower him with gifts, gorged on rich foods, indulged in all manner of things that the pagans did.
Nor did he command his people to remember his birthday and indulge in gifts, food and debt all for the sake of me.

God Bless
 
My thoughts on beliefs....

If you want to follow your beliefs in choosing to claim there is no God....then that is your right...
I take it you will be working that day, then , since it is an official religous holiday and those that observe their religion are the ones that are allowed to have that time off ...?

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No. My whole company shuts down. I JUST SAID I DONT CARE WHAT YOU RELIGGIES DO OR CALL IT ARE YA DEAF? I didnt insult anyone who believes that stuff....so why are you trying to start a fight? I will take a paid day off for anything doesnt make a shit to me what they call the day.

But if ya really want to know....dec 25 was "picked" as the birthday of jesus in order to coincide with pagan celebrations....it was the christian church's way of trying to convert more people by using a holiday that the pagans were already familiar with....so I guess you can have Xmas any freaking day of the year its a real crapshoot as to what day he was born.....knock yourself out.
 
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To tell you the truth "Christmas should be everyday"

Yes and thats fine for people who believe in that stuff....My whole family does...I do not. I dont disrespect them for it. They in turn do not disrespect me for not believing. I was simply trying to make a point that EVERYONE likes a paid off.....the general public can call it what they want.....Ill take it....Hell if I could pass for Jewish I would take off 8 days for hannukah despite the fact I dont believe in any of it.....:D
 
Originally Posted by silcnlayc
My thoughts on beliefs....

If you want to follow your beliefs in choosing to claim there is no God....then that is your right...
I take it you will be working that day, then , since it is an official religous holiday and those that observe their religion are the ones that are allowed to have that time off ...?

.

No. My whole company shuts down. I JUST SAID I DONT CARE WHAT YOU RELIGGIES DO OR CALL IT ARE YA DEAF? I didnt insult anyone who believes that stuff....so why are you trying to start a fight? I will take a paid day off for anything doesnt make a shit to me what they call the day.

But if ya really want to know....dec 25 was "picked" as the birthday of jesus in order to coincide with pagan celebrations....it was the christian church's way of trying to convert more people by using a holiday that the pagans were already familiar with....so I guess you can have Xmas any freaking day of the year its a real crapshoot as to what day he was born.....knock yourself out.
Not trying to start anything. Kinda sensitive there I believe?...Just wondering why it is one can say this and still want that...Just as congress is trying to write out God everywhere but yet still wants Sunday off to "worship" Him? I mean...um...hello...

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Not trying to start anything. Kinda sensitive there I believe?...Just wondering why it is one can say this and still want that...Just as congress is trying to write out God everywhere but yet still wants Sunday off to "worship" Him? I mean...um...hello...

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god has no place in government. Seperation of Church and State. Im not sensitive...Im a diagnosed borderline sociopath for crying out loud. Religion for people who believe has its place its just not in any form of government that regulates the masses. What if the Muslim relgion was the predominant religion here? Think about that for a second.
 
god has no place in government. Seperation of Church and State. Im not sensitive...Im a diagnosed borderline sociopath for crying out loud. Religion for people who believe has its place its just not in any form of government that regulates the masses. What if the Muslim relgion was the predominant religion here? Think about that for a second.

if the muslim religion was the predominant religion here.

then us women would not be saying what we,er saying on here right now.

women have no voice or as the old saying goes r to be seen and not heard.

and this country was built on the word of god more or less.
i guess maybe thats whats wrong today everyone is trying to take god out of everything and say he is not there.

the only thing i can,t figure out is this if people don,t belive in god that is fine to each his own but if you don,t belive in something then why try so hard to get rid of anything and everything that has to do with the thing or person?

its like when we were little and were afraid of the monster under the bed or whatever you were afraid of once you knew for centen that it was not real you just forgot about it and never thought of it again so if people don,t belive in god and are not sceard of faceing him then why are they trying so hard to wipe his name off of everything.

you would think that they would drop it.

it should.nt matter to them that someone eles may belive in him only that they don,t but thats not the case they are trying to remove him from everything and in doing so belive that will make everyone belive the way they do.

that there is no god.

won,t ever happen in this world and if it does then we are all doomed.


you are right about picking a day because no one knows when jesus was borned.

i think x-mas is just a way for everyone to make money off of someone they may or may not belive in and thats a shame.
 
if the muslim religion was the predominant religion here.

then us women would not be saying what we,er saying on here right now.

women have no voice or as the old saying goes r to be seen and not heard
.

and this country was built on the word of god more or less.
i guess maybe thats whats wrong today everyone is trying to take god out of everything and say he is not there.

the only thing i can,t figure out is this if people don,t belive in god that is fine to each his own but if you don,t belive in something then why try so hard to get rid of anything and everything that has to do with the thing or person?

its like when we were little and were afraid of the monster under the bed or whatever you were afraid of once you knew for centen that it was not real you just forgot about it and never thought of it again so if people don,t belive in god and are not sceard of faceing him then why are they trying so hard to wipe his name off of everything.

you would think that they would drop it.

it should.nt matter to them that someone eles may belive in him only that they don,t but thats not the case they are trying to remove him from everything and in doing so belive that will make everyone belive the way they do.

that there is no god.

won,t ever happen in this world and if it does then we are all doomed.


you are right about picking a day because no one knows when jesus was borned.

i think x-mas is just a way for everyone to make money off of someone they may or may not belive in and thats a shame.

But wouldnt Christians be joining the ACLU to get Allah off of everything? right here in TN there is a huge bruhahaha over an Islamic center being built in Murfreesboro.....The Christians are having a meltdown along with the local rednecks....I say who cares....Im not gonna patronize the place....but Why is it that Christian people think their religion is the only one that matters?
 
But wouldnt Christians be joining the ACLU to get Allah off of everything? right here in TN there is a huge bruhahaha over an Islamic center being built in Murfreesboro.....The Christians are having a meltdown along with the local rednecks....I say who cares....Im not gonna patronize the place....but Why is it that Christian people think their religion is the only one that matters?

i would not call myself a christian do not belive in what they did with the christian crusades.

but this has been a fight since the dawn of time what religion is the one ture religion? if anyone has the answer to this would love to hear it.

whatever you belong to then to you that is the one religion that is your ture religion.

i have had people tell me that because i do not belive the way they do i,m going to hell which kind of makes me wonder if they have read their bibles?
i know somewhere in there is a saying that says judge not least ye be judged.

no one knows for sure what the one ture religion is and if they say they do i would be inclined not to belive them.

and belive me i have studed with alot of diffdent ones.

i guess in the end none of us will know for sure until god comes back and fills us in.

and as for the muslins i don,t belive that is a religion as much as a front for a militent group intent on taking over the world or as much as they can. (jmho)

and if allah was on everything i,m sure those who did not belive in him would be doing the samething that they are trying to do with god.

and if your wondering what i do belive in caz i do not belive in moden religion.

i belive in a higher power who sent the one person he loved the most to the one people that he loves the most to try and save us from ourselfs.
 
I can agree with both points from Kauphy and Jelsmith, you are both right in many ways, so no need to argue.

I personaly am very much a believer in God/Jesus. But I have been looking at things much differently than I used to since I have been studying up on some truths behind what built this country under the guise of Christianity.

I am not a good one to remember where a scripture is in the bible, but I do know of things that are there. Such as Jesus asking, who's picture is on this coin, it was Ceasars, Jesus said, give unto Ceasar that which is his, give unto me that which is mine.

The greatest problem throughout history has been because of religious thinking, thus keeping peoples and cultures divided.

But, think about places that God has been removed from, are they really a reflection of God and Gods laws, or mans? Do these places honor God, or dishonor him?

So to a point I feel there should be a separation between Church and State, so to speak. As God is Holy and should not be mingled on unholy places or things.

Sometime back, a friend of ours sent a protest email to me about the feds or whomever wanting to take "In God We Trust" of money. I sent a reply back that I would vote one way or the other, if it is clarified as to what god they are talking about.

Firstly, money is considered the root of all evil, so to speak, full of icons, symbology and such. The faces that are portrayed are not the face of God, they are faces of man. So in my opinion, my God should not be displayed on an item that does not honor him, but is a reminder of everything he is against.

Taking God out of certain things, does not take him out of our hearts, our homes, our churches (well, some churches), our actions and so on.

When I look at the sky with the clouds, the breeze moving the trees, the beauty of the world he has created, the faces of people that were made in his likeness, I see God everywhere and he can never be removed.

We actually don't need reminders of what we know and believe, this belief cannot be taken away.

But we also don't need porn signs posted everywhere, for the bars, places that have strippers and so on.

The sad fact is, that if non believers don't want God posted everywhere, they should at least give us believers the same consideration. Just a mutual arrangment, for we all exist together on this small little planet.

And when we look at Jelsmiths lovely face, believer or not, she is in the same likeness as you and I.

JMO
 
I can agree with both points from Kauphy and Jelsmith, you are both right in many ways, so no need to argue.

I personaly am very much a believer in God/Jesus. But I have been looking at things much differently than I used to since I have been studying up on some truths behind what built this country under the guise of Christianity.

I am not a good one to remember where a scripture is in the bible, but I do know of things that are there. Such as Jesus asking, who's picture is on this coin, it was Ceasars, Jesus said, give unto Ceasar that which is his, give unto me that which is mine.

The greatest problem throughout history has been because of religious thinking, thus keeping peoples and cultures divided.

But, think about places that God has been removed from, are they really a reflection of God and Gods laws, or mans? Do these places honor God, or dishonor him?

So to a point I feel there should be a separation between Church and State, so to speak. As God is Holy and should not be mingled on unholy places or things.

Sometime back, a friend of ours sent a protest email to me about the feds or whomever wanting to take "In God We Trust" of money. I sent a reply back that I would vote one way or the other, if it is clarified as to what god they are talking about.

Firstly, money is considered the root of all evil, so to speak, full of icons, symbology and such. The faces that are portrayed are not the face of God, they are faces of man. So in my opinion, my God should not be displayed on an item that does not honor him, but is a reminder of everything he is against.

Taking God out of certain things, does not take him out of our hearts, our homes, our churches (well, some churches), our actions and so on.

When I look at the sky with the clouds, the breeze moving the trees, the beauty of the world he has created, the faces of people that were made in his likeness, I see God everywhere and he can never be removed.

We actually don't need reminders of what we know and believe, this belief cannot be taken away.

But we also don't need porn signs posted everywhere, for the bars, places that have strippers and so on.

The sad fact is, that if non believers don't want God posted everywhere, they should at least give us believers the same consideration. Just a mutual arrangment, for we all exist together on this small little planet.

And when we look at Jelsmiths lovely face, believer or not, she is in the same likeness as you and I.

JMO

I agree with you (especially the lovely face part :D) I kid. No I agree. Im not a believer but honestly seeing an ad for a church doesnt bother me, it doesnt bother me when my family says grace.....I have no problem with people doin whatever they want. I just dont want to be judged (especially in a court of law) by religous politics. I wont pass go;)
 
I can agree with both points from Kauphy and Jelsmith, you are both right in many ways, so no need to argue.

I personaly am very much a believer in God/Jesus. But I have been looking at things much differently than I used to since I have been studying up on some truths behind what built this country under the guise of Christianity.

I am not a good one to remember where a scripture is in the bible, but I do know of things that are there. Such as Jesus asking, who's picture is on this coin, it was Ceasars, Jesus said, give unto Ceasar that which is his, give unto me that which is mine.

The greatest problem throughout history has been because of religious thinking, thus keeping peoples and cultures divided.

But, think about places that God has been removed from, are they really a reflection of God and Gods laws, or mans? Do these places honor God, or dishonor him?

So to a point I feel there should be a separation between Church and State, so to speak. As God is Holy and should not be mingled on unholy places or things.

Sometime back, a friend of ours sent a protest email to me about the feds or whomever wanting to take "In God We Trust" of money. I sent a reply back that I would vote one way or the other, if it is clarified as to what god they are talking about.

Firstly, money is considered the root of all evil, so to speak, full of icons, symbology and such. The faces that are portrayed are not the face of God, they are faces of man. So in my opinion, my God should not be displayed on an item that does not honor him, but is a reminder of everything he is against.

Taking God out of certain things, does not take him out of our hearts, our homes, our churches (well, some churches), our actions and so on.

When I look at the sky with the clouds, the breeze moving the trees, the beauty of the world he has created, the faces of people that were made in his likeness, I see God everywhere and he can never be removed.

We actually don't need reminders of what we know and believe, this belief cannot be taken away.

But we also don't need porn signs posted everywhere, for the bars, places that have strippers and so on.

The sad fact is, that if non believers don't want God posted everywhere, they should at least give us believers the same consideration. Just a mutual arrangment, for we all exist together on this small little planet.

And when we look at Jelsmiths lovely face, believer or not, she is in the same likeness as you and I.

JMO

i agree with almost everything you said.

but one thing i did,nt that jelsmith and i were arguing?

we,er not arguing at least i,m not and i don,t think she is eather i think we,er just talking about this and that is a good thing.

looking at thing from both sides.
 
i would not call myself a christian do not belive in what they did with the christian crusades.

but this has been a fight since the dawn of time what religion is the one ture religion? if anyone has the answer to this would love to hear it.

whatever you belong to then to you that is the one religion that is your ture religion.

i have had people tell me that because i do not belive the way they do i,m going to hell which kind of makes me wonder if they have read their bibles?
i know somewhere in there is a saying that says judge not least ye be judged.

no one knows for sure what the one ture religion is and if they say they do i would be inclined not to belive them.and belive me i have studed with alot of diffdent ones.

i guess in the end none of us will know for sure until god comes back and fills us in.

and as for the muslins i don,t belive that is a religion as much as a front for a militent group intent on taking over the world or as much as they can. (jmho)

and if allah was on everything i,m sure those who did not belive in him would be doing the samething that they are trying to do with god.

and if your wondering what i do belive in caz i do not belive in moden religion.

i belive in a higher power who sent the one person he loved the most to the one people that he loves the most to try and save us from ourselfs.



Good question Kauphy and I think we all already know what the answer is.

Firstly, religion is a snare, a pitfall, a yoke. It has been the driving force behind all the wars and atrocities throughout history.

Now, only knowing the bible in it's nearest closest form, there is no mention anywhere of, this is the religion you are to follow.

What God tells us, or gives us is commandments/law to live by, nothing more, nothing less. His teachings beyond the laws given us, which are pretty basic, is to love one another as he loves us, nothing more, nothing less.

So to tag an institutional name to the laws of God, create followers, perform things in the name of "religion", mearly becomes a twisted distorted vision of the original basic law God gave us in the first place.

One of the things God also teaches is to not add to or take away from his word. There is not a single religion out there that has not broken this simple law.

So basically, if anyone is looking for that one true "religion", it doesn't exist.

Guess we could also say Football teams, Wall Street, University's and so on are also religions.


p.s. Didn't mean you were arguing like in a fight over the discussion. ;)
 
Good question Kauphy and I think we all already know what the answer is.

Firstly, religion is a snare, a pitfall, a yoke. It has been the driving force behind all the wars and atrocities throughout history.

Now, only knowing the bible in it's nearest closest form, there is no mention anywhere of, this is the religion you are to follow.

What God tells us, or gives us is commandments/law to live by, nothing more, nothing less. His teachings beyond the laws given us, which are pretty basic, is to love one another as he loves us, nothing more, nothing less.

So to tag an institutional name to the laws of God, create followers, perform things in the name of "religion", mearly becomes a twisted distorted vision of the original basic law God gave us in the first place.

One of the things God also teaches is to not add to or take away from his word. There is not a single religion out there that has not broken this simple law.

So basically, if anyone is looking for that one true "religion", it doesn't exist.

Guess we could also say Football teams, Wall Street, University's and so on are also religions.


p.s. Didn't mean you were arguing like in a fight over the discussion. ;)


There are many Religions in this world and we must learn to accept all and those that dont believe.

Im a a believer in God, I have had my faith tested this past month with the passing of Jim, I questioned God when Jim was taken from me and the kids so suddenly or when bad things happen to others.

Its our strength and love of family and friends that pulls us thru as human beings, knowing that life is a gift and it can be snatched from us at any given moment.

So live your lives with joy and feel blessed that the sun will set and rise again tomorrow, watch the leaves fall, birds in flight , children playing , blue skys with some pillowy white clouds, to me thats my religion and what keeps me going as a Christian, just like those that dont believe. Its all about loving thy neighbors like our brothers and sisters.


Laurie
 

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