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Self Exclusion Or Deposit Limits

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Deeplay, Jun 7, 2015.

    Jun 7, 2015
  1. Deeplay

    Deeplay New World Order CAG mm1 webmeister

    Works For Self
    The biG Eu
    Hi the subject of SE seems to surface quite often these days and I just wonder how many of you have ever SE from a casino/s ?

    Or if you choose the "Deposit limit" functions that most rep casinos now have -or should have! on there RS pages ?

    Or is it a mixture of both or none ?

    I actually feel that finally the online arm of gambling is getting its act together with regards to responsible gaming with the built in tools
    to be able to take control. The high street bookies in the UK sadly still years behind with very inadequate safe guards in place. Thankfully
    I rare darken the door steps of the bookmakers but know some who have got themselves into a world of shit when it comes to blowing the pay check.

    I personally choose now Deposit Limits ... less severe than SE but feel safer at the casinos I do play at knowing they have functions that you can activate instantly if you feel you need a break. Hate having to email CS to ask for limitations to be set.

    Anyway would be good to know what others choose and how they feel about this ?

    For me in the past I would SE out of rage when going on a tilt and loosing ... which im sure many do only to regret it a few weeks later.
    SE is a much needed option for sure but Deposit limits can also really work especially when you just want to cool off from the gaming for a short while.
  2. Jun 7, 2015
  3. goatwack

    goatwack Lend me some sugar! I am your neighbour! CAG

    I don't think either method is foolproof and if you want to piss your money money away there is very little that can stop such impulses.....personally I have dabbled in setting deposit limits at a couple of places (out of curiousity really) and have found these to be moderately effective. It gives you a reminder visually to take a step back and for a moment evaluate your spending.

    Too often have I frittered away a few hundred in an afternoon simply by re- depositing small amounts time and again at the same site, it is ridiculously easy to get carried away in the moment. Not until you see on a bank statement that one has made 10 or so deposits in a row when you clearly never set out to do that at the start of the day. This is where I believe DLs come in very useful because they face- palm you into apprehension.

    Plus by that time I can't be arsed to go to another site or register somewhere new. I also found the deposit limits work best when set to a fairly low amount. This way after a particularly bad session you don't feel as dirty for having wasted more money on chasing those goddam losses.

    As for self- excluding, I find that too drastic a step unless there are some serious gambling issues at play here. I find like with any form of addiction it is better to try and minimize it and phase it out than to make such a clean break. I could be wrong!:confused:
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  4. Jun 7, 2015
  5. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    gambler :)
    I think its good that theses are getting put in place, But if somebody wanted to spend spend spend than I am sure by SE from a few sides is not going to stop them,

    I have not personally not used this facility but used the max bet limit on VS due to a habit of clicking max bet by mistake,

    Not only but as you said there has been a lot of talk recently and if your not careful than it can come back to haunt you, If you SE from one and not not realise who there connected to than you will find winnings being denied.
  6. Jun 7, 2015
  7. osulle

    osulle Ueber Meister CAG mm4 mm1

    Northern hemisphere
    I chose deposit limits as it prevents me from going on a tilt when I am down etc. I think deposit limits are an excellent tool and every gambler should utilize it IMHO. If I were to become a problem or compulsive gambler then I would go with SE across the board. So in my view these tools are used for different purposes.

    Now if I was sick of a certain casino due to always losing or crappy t&c's (lucky247) then I would just close the account.:D
  8. Jun 7, 2015
  9. barbara12

    barbara12 Senior Member

    Self excluded at many sites

    Did not realize the implications until I started reading all these posts. I always self excluded myself during a bad session. I no longer self exclude but close the account. Much better option. Deposit limits are no problem for me as I will not chase a losing streak. Albeit, I will play the crap out of a slot hoping for that big win.
  10. Jun 7, 2015
  11. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Web Dev.
    I'd never dissuade anyone from trying to quit if they feel they have a problem but if the issue is controlling it, then here's a budget management tip.

    One of the biggest issues a player has is not stopping until the money is gone, chasing the big cash out or chasing one's losses, right?

    But if you sign up to a casino that allows you to set a daily wagering limit (this one and this one did it last time I checked) and you give it some careful thought based on your average bet size, you can set a limit that guarantees you a rough amount of time and forces you to stop at that point. That way you will usually be able manage your budget better by coming back in 24 hours or cashing out.

    My experience is that it means your money lasts longer plus it also adds a safety net if you are the sort of player to chase losses with bigger and bigger bets or more deposits. Geting the amount to set requires some careful thought about how you play (bet sizes, session length etc): it is easy to set it to low and get frustrated when it times you out.

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  12. Jun 7, 2015
  13. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Meister Member CAG mm1

    job is OK
    We certainly like to sugarcoat our addiction. And how great it is that casinos enable us to have some tools on hand, however, completely useless in my opinion. With hundreds of online casinos around it will take a long time until the SE ttrail will get you and much longer if you set DL's. A daily DL of just 20$ (this is the minimum deposit amount at most places) and registration at 50 casinos still allowa a player to blow 1 grand a day. Make that weekly and it is still far too much for a normal salary earner.

    Until today i have never used SE or DL at any casino and never will as i believe that my own brain is thinking clear enough at any time to stop before i get into trouble. Until today i never needed it either.

    "Where there is a will there is a way." Nothing and nobody will stop you if you don't want to stop. SE and DL just give you a wrong feeling of security that you have control at anytime.
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  14. Jun 7, 2015
  15. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

    Self- Employeed
    The only way these sort of tools would work in my opinion is if there were sort of IP or internet access based.
    Way too hard to implement maybe but I was thinking along the lines of once £x value in cash transactions has been made in 'x' time frame then any other attempted payments are totally blocked by the provider (Sky/Virgin etc) until 'n'

    To include all forms of payment, cards, ewallets, prepay etc and would also need to save 'over complicating' the system ALL online payments (shopping, bills etc etc)

    May seem OTT and impossible to implement but I feel for the genuine 'problem gambler' this is the way forward.

    As mentioned SE, DL are useless, way too many casinos about these days.

    Self restraint is the best and the most rewarding but also nigh on impossible for some too unfortunately.
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  16. Jun 7, 2015
  17. Deeplay

    Deeplay New World Order CAG mm1 webmeister

    Works For Self
    The biG Eu

    Well for me as I only stick to casinos credited here the list is not so huge for UK players. Of course if you a person is in deep then they should make it there mission to SE at as many casinos as possible along with robust therapy and support.

    But for general control over the amount you spend I have found the deposit limits really helpful. I used to hop from casino to casino but rare do this now. And stick to a chosen few .... all of which because I about to go on hols have my deposit limit set to below the daily minimum. Suppose it is a very individual choice. Not everyone who gambles online (or off) for that matter is an addict. Many can and do play within limits and for the right reason. I agree with Simmo also ... about never chase thy losses. I learned the hard way when I used to gamble way more than I do today.
  18. Jun 7, 2015
  19. osulle

    osulle Ueber Meister CAG mm4 mm1

    Northern hemisphere
    Well Gamblock could come out with a new product and call it Gamlimit. This software would definitely not allow you to go over your deposit limits. I suppose them building a software product like this would go against their ethos. It would be a good program though.
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  20. Jun 7, 2015
  21. Thunderluck

    Thunderluck Dormant account

    IT/Software Dev
    I don't play (or promote) casinos that don't have good self exclusion policies, Mr Green and rebet have very good systems, an easy web interface giving you plenty of options i.e. limits on total $ wagered/day. Daily/Weekly/Monthly limits etc.
    Any casinos that asks you to email in to set limits or exclude is a big red flag for me
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  22. Jun 8, 2015
  23. bonustreak

    bonustreak Senior Member webmeister

    Home Office
    Very good advice Simmo! I have seen many decide to self exclude at many different casinos, I think it is a great idea that casinos allow this.
    I know some will let you set a limit on the amount of days you want to be self excluded.
  24. Jun 8, 2015
  25. mrmark21

    mrmark21 Meister Member

    Telecommunications Consultant
    I don't bother with Deposit Limits, I Self Exclude, I figure they both have as much impact but I'm not addicted otherwise I'd also set Deposit Limits. For me when I'm about to Self Exclude it's more of a 'I know I'll be back in another two weeks' so I don't think about the casino until then, the casino is at the back of my mind.

    I think if you set Deposit Limits the casino is always there in the front of your mind and that you get left hanging until the next session. Also how do you know what sort of deposit limits you want to set? What's a good amount? What's a bad amount? How about when you win something should you increase deposit limits? How about if you lose to much should you decrease deposit limits? IMO it's easier to just self exclude.

    Bet@ is one of the easiest casinos to Self Exclude they literally give you access to this so you can do it yourself, allot of other casinos don't.
  26. Jun 8, 2015
  27. Deeplay

    Deeplay New World Order CAG mm1 webmeister

    Works For Self
    The biG Eu
    one problem which has been high lighted here loads of times recently is if you do use the SE for what ever reason (and not everyone who self excludes has a gambling problem it can be down to pure rage at the time if suffering a crap run) but its not always easy to know if the casino is a white label or part of a group meaning you could be screwed if opening a sister account and then going for a withdraw. As people learn about this and become more educated on the subject they could be less and less inclined to use the function.

    Depo limits as I said seem to work best for me. But also options to close an account for NONE gambling problems where it is limited to that casino only and would not affect the play or ability to open accounts at any sister sites could be a good half way house! Such as SE for none gambling problems.

    In the end it is down to the player I know to take control of there own situation but Casinos do have an obligation also. Which I think many here are now fulfilling.
  28. Nov 1, 2015
  29. RichyJ75

    RichyJ75 Silly Member PABnonaccred

    Dogsbody and personal servant to my kids
    United Kingdom
    Just had an interesting conversation with customer support at a large/respected casino over deposit limits and he admitted the narrative was quite vague on this subject after sending me a copied piece of text.

    Basically, 6 deposits of £20 (so £120 total) whilst going on tilt a bit and was curious what my deposit limit was at this casino as I tend to play safe and set limits. Quite surprisingly upon checking it was £50 for a 30 day period, hence contacting CS to see why I could deposit £120 with a deposit limit set of £50. It seems I had a withdrawal 28 days ago which allowed me to deposit more and that my 'losses' would not exceed £50. I beg to differ as from what I could see on the account I had deposited more than £50 plus my withdrawal, so puzzled how they continued to allow these deposits.

    In effect, the 'deposit limit' I had set does not determine how much I can actually deposit there, but how much my loss limit would be in total. Bit crafty allowing people to make a withdrawal and then adding this amount on their 'deposit limit' in a bid to get it back.

    Nevermind, no arguments about me making the deposits as a wager was placed and lost, but will now consider blocking my account after any potential future withdrawal for a month to see if it makes any difference to the deposit limit. I note many other casinos clearly have deposit limits as well as loss limits, just a shame all casinos cannot follow the same clarity/practise.
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  30. Nov 1, 2015
  31. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    International Money Launderer
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall

    yep - this is a scam I pointed out in several threads. Heypoker and their group do this too - they mis-describe a loss limit as a deposit limit. Very sly. It means you can set a 50 monthly limit, w/d 1k and then proceed to re-deposit until you are £50 down over all and have spunked the 950 profit.
    I pointed this out and funnily enough lip service was paid but no action taken. Like pending periods this policy will over time favour the casino with winnings spunked back. Hence its existence.

    They don't want budget players winning a grand and then pissing off for 4 weeks, only to able to lose a mere 50 of it back next month...;)

    A deposit limit is a deposit limit - if I set one I expect, in accordance with the definition in the Oxford English Dictionary, that I am LIMITED to DEPOSIT the amount set for that period. End of. No bullcrap.
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