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Im not much of a computer wiz, and pretty much just understand the basic rules of how things happen online. Although showed once I still dont remember or know how to take a screen shot and get it some place else.

Of course no reputable software provider will respond to this question, so Im counting on the technically advised people here.

1) Is it possible for online casinos to have software in place that could segregate RTP by countries?
2) Are their multiple servers per site or just one?
3) If someone was playing at a certain casino from London, and I was playing the same casino from the U.S.A., are we connected to the same server?
4) Would it matter at all how many different servers could be used if the software is programmed to segregate RTP based on ones ip address that identifies the country the player is playing from?

Just wondering if this is a way for online casinos to market themselves better. If land based casinos are trying to improve their $5.00 slot play action, they will openly advertise better RTPs then the rest for the $5.00 dollar machines. The random visitor to these casinos wouldnt even know about that or care, but the serious slot players are well aware of land based casino RTPs and will follow the best offers.

So lets say an online casino feels that Australia is lagging in customers. Can they jolt the RTP just for that country, and blitz the players there with promotions in an attempt to gain new customers. Serious players would of course notice the difference in play from lets say a 99% RTP when compared to a 90% RTP. The casino of course recognizes its temporary lose, but just writes it off has advertisement costs. Once they reach their goal of new customers from that country, they then again return the RTP to a more normal return.

We know they can stop U.S.A. players from downloading the new games if they so desire. If they think U.S.A. players and some other countries are becoming too much of a risk with all thats going on with the laws, (similar to the recent Master Charge bullshit which could lead to big losses for some online casinos.) When processors start screwing casinos from certain countries, that can't be a good thing. Can they isolate our RTP and only then have to deal with a minimum of cash-outs which would lower their risk? I know if you hit a jackpot there's nothing they could do about it, but lower RTP's would certainly slow down the cash outs to high risk countries.

Just curious about this type of stuff, and just wondering if in fact it could be done. Not that it is.
 

GGW Laurie

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I often wondered that myself, take for example the player that won not 1 RJ 's but 5 in what was it, a week, all off a 30.00 deposit? I think that was something short of a miracle and im very happy for the player who was from Australia if i recall right.

Im not sure if they can set it higher or lower it, but the example above has to make those of us that have played there alot, go hmmm:what: or really big believers in that shady lady luck, beotch:D..............laurie
 
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silcnlayc

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lauriejim:take for example the player that won not 1 RJ 's but 5 in what was it, a week, but the example above has to make those of us that have played there alot, go humm
I am going for the hmmm factor since I cannot bring myself to believe that one person playing, can win 5 randoms in a row at the same casino when you have hundreds of others playing there also in different denominations vying for the same randoms...

As it was said, the person must have hit the right spin at the right time against hundreds of other players and did this 5 times in a row at the same place? I think not...without some help..again, this is just my opinion and gut feeling....since they say it is next to impossible to hit the lottery twice but it can happen but to hit it 5 times back to back and clean a casino out of all the jackpots..I think not..

Just my opinion again...take it any way you will, but somewhere a little help was given there....no casino is infallable...I cannot prove it...so as the old saying says goes... if it feels wrong...

I have also noticed NO-ONE will talk about it...why??? I have asked about the odds of this happening and I have gotten the silent treatment from everyone..is this because it is Inetbet? What is it that no one will speak their minds about this occurance? I am NOT the only one thinking this...I know it...

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Hiya: Here is a real example. I downloaded Betvoyager, "to play multiball roulette" here in Las Vegas. I opened a real $ account. On their web site they say the same thing everyone else says, "the PLAYER is responsible to follow the laws of their own country". This is a way to let players in the USA play, but at the same time not condone them playing.

So, i have my Betvoyager account. I log in, and can play the Flash Demo mode. But can not play the, "play for free" mode. I can go to Banking, but there are no options available there for American players.:mad:

So, I have my brotherinlaw, in the philippins, download it. I send him money. He logs in, and deposits the money. Via use of Skype, i can tell him what to bet. hehehe. I went to PI in December. I was able to Log in to both My American Account, and his PI account. I played there, on his account.

I return to America in Jan. I Log in to His account, "But I am Unable to play it from America"......:confused: All you get is a, "Blank" page. I asuume this is to stop someone from doing what i tried to do. Otherwise, we could all go to Mexico, open accounts at Casino's that bann American players, Return to the US, and be set......Weeeeee

Also, this is a case where Online Casino's treat Perception as Reality. There are a Lot of Casino's that either Bann any bonuses from being taken, or just outright bann the entire country, based on percieved Bonus Abuse. This would be a sort of Segreation.

Online Casinos are not the only ones to do this. A couple years ago, the game, Ultima Online, had a special promotion, "for players on the Japan servers". When the other players, on the American, & European servers found out about it, they cried FOUL at the top of their lungs......:eek:

Doing things like this is easy, as it is not publisied. No one knows, "as example" that BOA charges a $8 monthly fee for checking accounts in the USA, but does not charge this fee at Its branches in Asia.

or, better yet, When is the last time you ordered BEER, as your drink, at KFC, or Mcdonalds in America? Go to Korea, or the Philippines, and it is all the beer you can drink..........
 

Pinababy69

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I have also noticed NO-ONE will talk about it...why??? I have asked about the odds of this happening and I have gotten the silent treatment from everyone..is this because it is Inetbet? What is it that no one will speak their minds about this occurance? I am NOT the only one thinking this...I know it...

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I was just extremely happy for the player and never really gave it a second thought...beyond thinking how lucky she was. As to it being at Inetbet....makes no difference to me. She could have hit it at Cirrus or Coolcat, and I doubt I would have questioned it either (if I knew about it I mean).

You either trust the software or you don't. And you either believe in random or you don't. Random to me is just that....random. Been playing going on ten years, and I've never hit a RJ either. I'm not sure when randoms were introduced...maybe 7 or 8 years ago? Mind you, I don't play everyday..more like maybe once a week, and very small bets. So I doubt I will ever hit one. Yet there are other people who have hit them numerous times over the years. The only difference with this player is that she hit them all in a short time span. I think that Laurie has hit at least five, maybe more. Nashvegas...didn't he hit a few within a week or something? It happens.

Again, only my opinion...but it comes down to trust. It's really got nothing to do with Inetbet...but with RTG. If you don't believe their software is random, and don't think you're getting a fair shake...then you would naturally be suspicious of any event like that happening, no matter the casino. If you do trust them (as I do)..then it's just "one of those things".
 

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I was just extremely happy for the player and never really gave it a second thought...beyond thinking how lucky she was. As to it being at Inetbet....makes no difference to me. She could have hit it at Cirrus or Coolcat, and I doubt I would have questioned it either (if I knew about it I mean).

You either trust the software or you don't. And you either believe in random or you don't. Random to me is just that....random. Been playing going on ten years, and I've never hit a RJ either. I'm not sure when randoms were introduced...maybe 7 or 8 years ago? Mind you, I don't play everyday..more like maybe once a week, and very small bets. So I doubt I will ever hit one. Yet there are other people who have hit them numerous times over the years. The only difference with this player is that she hit them all in a short time span. I think that Laurie has hit at least five, maybe more. Nashvegas...didn't he hit a few within a week or something? It happens.

Again, only my opinion...but it comes down to trust. It's really got nothing to do with Inetbet...but with RTG. If you don't believe their software is random, and don't think you're getting a fair shake...then you would naturally be suspicious of any event like that happening, no matter the casino. If you do trust them (as I do)..then it's just "one of those things".

Oh i trust Inetbet for sure, if i didnt ,i darn sure wouldnt be wasting my time or money there, but come on Pina, even you had to think 5 in one week was just mind blowing, off a single 30.00 deposit, whats the odds or do you beleive it was just pure out and out luck:D

I have hit 2 at Inetbet when i first started playing there and 2 at Jackpot Capital and one at Slots Oasis, so yes i know the feeling of hitting a RJ, thats why 5 in one week on one small deposit is nothing but short of a miracle.

When Nash hit his, he was betting pretty big bets if i recall right and had a nice bank roll built up, Nash imo isnt a 30.00 depositor:eek:..................laurie
 

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Nashvegas...didn't he hit a few within a week or something?.
5 in less than a month of which 3 were within 12 hours. I was not chasing them either.

EDIT:I only had been playing RTG's somewhat consistently for 2 months or less while the above occurred.
 

NASHVEGAS

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When Nash hit his, he was betting pretty big bets if i recall right and had a nice bank roll built up
Correct
Nash imo isnt a 30.00 depositor:eek:..................laurie
No but I was treated like one. Furthermore, I am now a $zero$ depositor and when MC and VISA begins backcharging all the casinos, oops I mean appliance, flooring stores, spas, etc, as I have been told from a reliable source, I will not be a party all alone at CM or hell maybe I will be banned for not taking one for the Gipper!!
 

rockycatt

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Hiya: Here is a real example. I downloaded Betvoyager, "to play multiball roulette" here in Las Vegas. I opened a real $ account. On their web site they say the same thing everyone else says, "the PLAYER is responsible to follow the laws of their own country". This is a way to let players in the USA play, but at the same time not condone them playing.

So, i have my Betvoyager account. I log in, and can play the Flash Demo mode. But can not play the, "play for free" mode. I can go to Banking, but there are no options available there for American players.:mad:

So, I have my brother inlaw, in the philippines, download it. I send him money. He logs in, and deposits the money. Via use of Skype, i can tell him what to bet. hehehe. I went to PI in December. I was able to Log in to both My American Account, and his PI account. I played there, on his account.

I return to America in Jan. I Log in to His account, "But I am Unable to play it from America"......:confused: All you get is a, "Blank" page. I assume this is to stop someone from doing what i tried to do. Otherwise, we could all go to Mexico, open accounts at Casino's that bann American players, Return to the US, and be set......Weeeeee

Also, this is a case where Online Casino's treat Perception as Reality. There are a Lot of Casino's that either Bann any bonuses from being taken, or just outright ban the entire country, based on perceived Bonus Abuse. This would be a sort of Segregation.

Online Casinos are not the only ones to do this. A couple years ago, the game, Ultima Online, had a special promotion, "for players on the Japan servers". When the other players, on the American, & European servers found out about it, they cried FOUL at the top of their lungs......:eek:

Doing things like this is easy, as it is not publisied. No one knows, "as example" that BOA charges a $8 monthly fee for checking accounts in the USA, but does not charge this fee at Its branches in Asia.

or, better yet, When is the last time you ordered BEER, as your drink, at KFC, or Mcdonalds in America? Go to Korea, or the Philippines, and it is all the beer you can drink..........

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bump /indent to the trigger then we get a pay off :D
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jod5413

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No but I was treated like one. Furthermore, I am now a $zero$ depositor and when MC and VISA begins backcharging all the casinos, oops I mean appliance, flooring stores, spas, etc, as I have been told from a reliable source, I will not be a party all alone at CM or hell maybe I will be banned for not taking one for the Gipper!!
Dang it, Nash!

Can you not just post in plain old English once in a while??? I swear, either I am completely stupid, or you go out of your way to confuse me. I never "get it"!?!?!

Am I the only one not able to decipher your posts? :p
 

gloria460

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I for one do think that the casinos that I play in are fair up to a certain point. I am also looking at this from a different perspective than I did before. What if I do hit a big one? 25k or 30k, how can I get my money? Do I withdraw it all to quicktender and withdraw to my bank account a few k at a time?? can't do that too many times or you'll be getting a call from the bank. Do I transfer to WP a few k at a time until I get it all and hope they don't call me? Do I constantly worry about getting caught and having my withdrawal seized? damn skippy!!

I'm afraid my online days are coming to an end. I do believe players from the USA have a lower RTP than say the UK or Canada where it's legal.

Pina I've read several times where you've said you don't see a difference and Pina you won't bc you're in one of the legal countries. The players in the USA see a totally different thing. I've been playing 10 years also and it is so obvious that even Stevie can see it:D These past few months have saved me a ton of money. I do infrequent deposits for low amounts and I've had cashouts between 300-500 bucks and I'm satisfied.

I have drifted back to B&M casinos as I feel so much better.
 

Pinababy69

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Oh i trust Inetbet for sure, if i didnt ,i darn sure wouldnt be wasting my time or money there, but come on Pina, even you had to think 5 in one week was just mind blowing, off a single 30.00 deposit, whats the odds or do you beleive it was just pure out and out luck:D

I have hit 2 at Inetbet when i first started playing there and 2 at Jackpot Capital and one at Slots Oasis, so yes i know the feeling of hitting a RJ, thats why 5 in one week on one small deposit is nothing but short of a miracle.

When Nash hit his, he was betting pretty big bets if i recall right and had a nice bank roll built up, Nash imo isnt a 30.00 depositor:eek:..................laurie
I understand where you're coming from Laurie...but it was only her initial deposit of $30 that got the ball rolling. I'm sure once she cashed out, or was playing with a much larger bankroll....her bets increased substantially. I'd have to go find the screenies (which I don't feel like doing, lol)...but weren't a couple of them on $5 or $10 per spin bets? She may have won the first one on a low bet...but after that, she increased her chances by increasing her bets.

And again...see, we view this differently. You guys are saying you trust Inetbet...I'm saying I trust the software as being random, period. Wouldn't matter to me which casino she won it at. Only thing that made it nice for her, was that she wouldn't have any bullshit about max withdrawal limits, and having it doled out to her a little bit at a time.

Honestly, not sure if I've seen five in such close succession...but I've seen multiple wins from the same users within short periods of time. And yes, I do really just believe it was her lucky time.

5 in less than a month of which 3 were within 12 hours. I was not chasing them either.

EDIT:I only had been playing RTG's somewhat consistently for 2 months or less while the above occurred.
There ya go...five in less than a month. It happens. Hers just happened a little closer together than most. Some of us are lucky that way, and some of us aren't. I don't believe I'll ever hit one...because I've just never had that type of luck.

I for one do think that the casinos that I play in are fair up to a certain point. I am also looking at this from a different perspective than I did before. What if I do hit a big one? 25k or 30k, how can I get my money? Do I withdraw it all to quicktender and withdraw to my bank account a few k at a time?? can't do that too many times or you'll be getting a call from the bank. Do I transfer to WP a few k at a time until I get it all and hope they don't call me? Do I constantly worry about getting caught and having my withdrawal seized? damn skippy!!

I'm afraid my online days are coming to an end. I do believe players from the USA have a lower RTP than say the UK or Canada where it's legal.

Pina I've read several times where you've said you don't see a difference and Pina you won't bc you're in one of the legal countries. The players in the USA see a totally different thing. I've been playing 10 years also and it is so obvious that even Stevie can see it:D These past few months have saved me a ton of money. I do infrequent deposits for low amounts and I've had cashouts between 300-500 bucks and I'm satisfied.

I have drifted back to B&M casinos as I feel so much better.
Gloria, you could be right. I'd be a fool to say otherwise. Perhaps they can adjust the RTP, based on location. I don't know. All I can give an opinion on is my own personal experience. And that is, for myself....no, I see no difference at all...not in ten years. Ups and downs. And that is NOT to discount your personal experiences, or anyone else's. Just stating my own. I have no reason to say it seems the same to me if it didn't. I'm not an affiliate, I don't work for any casino, nor any software provider. Just like you guys, I can only go on my own playtime.

RTG has always been my least luckiest software of all of them. And has always been the tightest for me. Every few months, I will finally hit a good streak, and manage a cashout, and I try to take full advantage of that. But like I said, I don't play every day. I play once a week, if that. And I play RTG/Inetbet the least.....of the three casinos I frequent. I think that if maybe I played there more often, perhaps my view would change. Instead of making 4 or 5 deposits a month...I'd be making 30 or 40, and if I lost all of them, with no playtime..then yeah, I'd probably be none too happy. All I can say is that the key to me being a "happy" gambler is moderation, and self-control (which has taken me years to learn btw). If I deposit $20 and get up to $100...I withdraw. Play with the casino's money, instead of your own.

Anyway, sorry....a bit off topic. But to get back to your point...is it possible that software companies can geo target specific areas and lower the RTP? No idea. Wouldn't want to say no, but wouldn't say they do either.

One thing I did want to mention was that someone posted how MG "blocked" the downloads of the new games to US players. Actually, I'd almost guarantee that the new games are there...you just can't see them. When the casino does an upgrade, there are sometimes two months worth of new games downloaded at one time. But they only make VISIBLE the ones for that month. But the next month's new games are still there, just hidden. So I'm "assuming" that it is this system they also use for blocking the new games for US players. Not sure I'd want to bet my life on it....but I do believe that's how it works.
 

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I for one do think that the casinos that I play in are fair up to a certain point. I am also looking at this from a different perspective than I did before. What if I do hit a big one? 25k or 30k, how can I get my money? Do I withdraw it all to quicktender and withdraw to my bank account a few k at a time?? can't do that too many times or you'll be getting a call from the bank. Do I transfer to WP a few k at a time until I get it all and hope they don't call me? Do I constantly worry about getting caught and having my withdrawal seized? damn skippy!!

I'm afraid my online days are coming to an end.
I'm also getting to that point. Very close.
 

silcnlayc

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Pinababy69:There ya go...five in less than a month.
You ignored the part of the statement which is 5 wins at the SAME CASINO by the same player in one week...whereas everyone has hit multiple times at DIFFERENT casinos...and the best they did was in one month...

gloria460:The players in the USA see a totally different thing. I've been playing 10 years also and it is so obvious that even Stevie can see it These past few months have saved me a ton of money. I do infrequent deposits for low amounts and I've had cashouts between 300-500 bucks and I'm satisfied.

I have drifted back to B&M casinos as I feel so much better.
Same here. I too have cut back tremendously in depositing at any casino...especially at any RTG since these randoms been hit...

I also have been saving for the B&M casinos..I feel more confident in them than I do in online casinos anymore.
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Pina I used to deposit at least 2-3 times a week mostly at PP and every now and then rival and RTG. Only recently have I deposited a bit more at RTG and Rival and it's not big deposits.

I can't withdraw a $100, wish I could. QT charges 30.00 for the withdrawal and my bank charges 15 for the wire so I may not even get my initial deposit back so I have to have at least 200 before I withdraw, preferably 300. I to used to see the new games in the lobby but they would be greyed out. lol..I would bang on them just for the hell of it..

I've pretty much given up on trying to figure out RTP, variances and such as it doesn't do me any good and doesn't affect my outcome. I've also learned to play wisely and vote with my wallet. I've been a much happier player and have increased my withdrawals. I just wish I didn't have to stress every time I make a withdrawal!
 

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You ignored the part of the statement which is 5 wins at the SAME CASINO by the same player in one week...whereas everyone has hit multiple times at DIFFERENT casinos...and the best they did was in one month...
I've seen a few posts/ screenies when the same player hits a few rjs at the same casino -not just iNet. A couple of yours ago it was a player who hit 3 jackpots at inet during the same month, it was in their newsletter....I don't think there is something wrong with the casinos but with the engine that determines when jackpot is hit. May be they use some player details that's why there is a bias towards some players, who knows... I would be really interested to hear what BogBoy has to say regarding that from a probability prospective.
 

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I am going for the hmmm factor since I cannot bring myself to believe that one person playing, can win 5 randoms in a row at the same casino when you have hundreds of others playing there also in different denominations vying for the same randoms...

As it was said, the person must have hit the right spin at the right time against hundreds of other players and did this 5 times in a row at the same place? I think not...without some help..again, this is just my opinion and gut feeling....since they say it is next to impossible to hit the lottery twice but it can happen but to hit it 5 times back to back and clean a casino out of all the jackpots..I think not..

Just my opinion again...take it any way you will, but somewhere a little help was given there....no casino is infallable...I cannot prove it...so as the old saying says goes... if it feels wrong...

I have also noticed NO-ONE will talk about it...why??? I have asked about the odds of this happening and I have gotten the silent treatment from everyone..is this because it is Inetbet? What is it that no one will speak their minds about this occurance? I am NOT the only one thinking this...I know it...

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Silc,

Without some mathematical assumptions, it is impossible to calculate the odds of such an occurence. However, I will try a crude example. Say there are 30 players trying to hit the same RJ with the same bet size. The JP goes off and hence eveyone has a 30-1 chance of hitting it. Now, if the same player hits 5 RJs under the same conditions, he has a 1 in 24.3million chance of doing so. These are all wild assumptions but may give you some indication as to how remote the chances are for such an occurence.

Funny that besides not even hitting a RJ in my past 12 months of slot play at Inet and other RTGs, I have yet to be there when any of the rJs were hit. Guess what the chances of that are. Or maybe is my time zone (I usually play at nite) is not programmed for RJs to hit:lolup:
 

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I dont know the answers to any of the questions, as Im not privy to the code or the backend of the casinos, and neither is anyone else here......so its all just theory and hypothesis and opinion - which is what makes CM a daily must-read! :)

In my 7 years of RTG play, the ONLY time Ive ever had a RJ go off while Im playing is when I hit it myself about 3 years back.....so officially its the only chance Ive had, which tells you just how hard it is to hit one!
 

Pinababy69

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I can't withdraw a $100, wish I could. QT charges 30.00 for the withdrawal and my bank charges 15 for the wire so I may not even get my initial deposit back so I have to have at least 200 before I withdraw, preferably 300. I to used to see the new games in the lobby but they would be greyed out. lol..I would bang on them just for the hell of it..
LOL @ the bang on them. :laugh:

Yeah, it's a different landscape for you definitely. But if I only withdraw $100 back to my Moneybookers account, 99% of the time I just leave it there....rather than requesting a cheque. I then use that to fund my play next time I want to deposit. Like you, my deposits are small...so $100 is a minimum of five deposits for me. That's what I meant by play with the casino's money instead of my own. It saves me having to go and load my card, or using my own money, when I wanna play.

But if I cashout $200 or more...then definitely I'm requesting a cheque from Moneybookers for at least $150 of it.

Just try that...if you do say triple your deposit at anytime...cash it out to QT, and just leave it there to play with rather than having to fund your QT out of pocket. For small depositors like us, every little bit helps. I was surprised when I went through some of last year's figures. I ended up about $1000 ahead at 32Red for the year..and about even at Inetbet and 3Dice. So I'll never get rich...but my entertainment is paid for. But again, not everyone is happy with that style of play, and I understand that completely. It's really all relative to budget and what you're looking to get out of it.

And I'm with Nifty...who knows? Nothing is impossible.
 

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