Second time I hit huge jackpot on a free chip

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Strange how I always seem to hit jackpots when playing a free chip, wonder if I had no bonus if I would have hit them. This one was for $3500.00+ and last one for over $15,000.00. Don't think I will play free chips again as it is too depressing to hit a jackpot and not get the winnings.

Anyone experience this?
 

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I have never hit an RJ. And if I do, I really hop it isn´t on a free chip.

My advice now is to take a screenshot and date and then see if the RJ money is put back. Reputable casinos are putting the money back. What casino was it?
 

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Oh dear, that's very sad.

Why would you play a free chip on a slot with big jackpots? When playing a free chip, I always choose the one with the lowest RJ to prevent this kind of thing.

I could live with getting a portion of 1-2k, but any more and its gonna get ugly.
 

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I see your point Nifty, but I think many players mostly choose the slots they like instead of looking at the RJ amount. And 3500 is not that much, not many slots to choose if you only choose those below that. 15 k is a lot, with a max cashout I would not have played that one.
 

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I bet .50 and don't normally look at the random jackpot but rather slots that tradionally pay and have good bonus rounds. So, are you saying your more likely to hit the jackpot on a free chip? Because if you are, then slots are not random payout. Personally, I think the slots are looser on a free chip, until you meet the playthrough. This time, the minute I met the playthrough all but $100.00 was subtracted from my account. I have never had that happen before on a free chip at CW or InetBet, at these casinos, the free chip isn't removed until you make a withdrawal. Then once processed they remove the chip amount and any winnings above the max. cashout.

I wasn't even able to keep playing until I reached the max cashout +bonus amount. So that once bonus removed I could be paid the max.

I will never play there again. I will not say what casino this was because it doesn't matter, my point in starting the thread was regarding hitting random jackpots on free chips, not when playing your own money.
 

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I bet .50 and don't normally look at the random jackpot but rather slots that tradionally pay and have good bonus rounds. So, are you saying your more likely to hit the jackpot on a free chip? Because if you are, then slots are not random payout. Personally, I think the slots are looser on a free chip, until you meet the playthrough. This time, the minute I met the playthrough all but $100.00 was subtracted from my account. I have never had that happen before on a free chip at CW or InetBet, at these casinos, the free chip isn't removed until you make a withdrawal. Then once processed they remove the chip amount and any winnings above the max. cashout.

I wasn't even able to keep playing until I reached the max cashout +bonus amount. So that once bonus removed I could be paid the max.

I will never play there again. I will not say what casino this was because it doesn't matter, my point in starting the thread was regarding hitting random jackpots on free chips, not when playing your own money.

Do you seriously think the slots pay differently on a free chip? i.e. better? Why would the casino want that? How would they even DO that? Have a different version of the game for every individual player depending on whether they were using a free chip or a coupon or their own money?

You are NO more likely to hit a jackpot on a free chip. The odds are the same. Nobody has ever provided a shred of evidence to the contrary, nor any to support such tin foil hat theories as different RTPs for different players and different coupons and different games at different time etc etc. It might SEEM that you are more likely to hit a RJ on a free chip if you have only hit them on free chips, or the majority of them at least...all it means is that you play a lot of free chips (and therefore perhaps bet larger increasing your chances) or that you were just luckier at the times you were playing free chips. However, "seems to me" means nothing in reality as slot RTP is not based on individual players and for every RJ that someone complains about winning on a free chip, there are likely 5 times as many with deposited money that we don't hear about because only a tiny portion of the gambling community visits and posts at Casinomeister.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again. If anyone REALLY thinks this "live tampering" with slot play according to what kind of money you're using or what coupon you're using etc etc is REAL, and continues to PLAY, well it says a lot about how much they REALLY believe their own theories. Alternately, it says something about how......well I'm not going to say it.

Many casinos now are deducting excess winnings after meeting WR. Personally I think it sucks and it annoying especially when you are on autoplay, but they do it to stop players running up huge comp point balances IMO, so I guess I can see the reasoning.

In regards to bonuses at RTG, what I really don't like is that the wagering requirement is not shown until after you deposit. I can't see how it would be hard to show it in terms of "x D + B" when redeeming the coupon before the deposit is made. I've seen offers in the marquee area of the lobby several times and gone to claim it and been unable to find any WR details...so I just cancel the coupon.
 

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Do you seriously think the slots pay differently on a free chip? i.e. better? Why would the casino want that? How would they even DO that? Have a different version of the game for every individual player depending on whether they were using a free chip or a coupon or their own money?

You are NO more likely to hit a jackpot on a free chip. The odds are the same. Nobody has ever provided a shred of evidence to the contrary, nor any to support such tin foil hat theories as different RTPs for different players and different coupons and different games at different time etc etc. It might SEEM that you are more likely to hit a RJ on a free chip if you have only hit them on free chips, or the majority of them at least...all it means is that you play a lot of free chips (and therefore perhaps bet larger increasing your chances) or that you were just luckier at the times you were playing free chips. However, "seems to me" means nothing in reality as slot RTP is not based on individual players and for every RJ that someone complains about winning on a free chip, there are likely 5 times as many with deposited money that we don't hear about because only a tiny portion of the gambling community visits and posts at Casinomeister.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again. If anyone REALLY thinks this "live tampering" with slot play according to what kind of money you're using or what coupon you're using etc etc is REAL, and continues to PLAY, well it says a lot about how much they REALLY believe their own theories. Alternately, it says something about how......well I'm not going to say it.

Many casinos now are deducting excess winnings after meeting WR. Personally I think it sucks and it annoying especially when you are on autoplay, but they do it to stop players running up huge comp point balances IMO, so I guess I can see the reasoning.

In regards to bonuses at RTG, what I really don't like is that the wagering requirement is not shown until after you deposit. I can't see how it would be hard to show it in terms of "x D + B" when redeeming the coupon before the deposit is made. I've seen offers in the marquee area of the lobby several times and gone to claim it and been unable to find any WR details...so I just cancel the coupon.

nifty isn't this w/r before deposite ____

Bonus #1: 50% Match Coupon*

Valid until March 30th
Enter coupon code: K9D37
Deposit between $10 -$100
Receive 50% Match Bonus
Play through deposit and bonus 20x

(Can be redeemed twice per account
 

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Does all the RTG machines take the same ammount of each spin and put it in the RJ-pot? When i play free chips with max cashouts i prefer to play at machines with a low or without a jackpot, as i guess you get a bit more back per spin then.
 

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Do you seriously think the slots pay differently on a free chip? i.e. better? Why would the casino want that? How would they even DO that? Have a different version of the game for every individual player depending on whether they were using a free chip or a coupon or their own money?

You are NO more likely to hit a jackpot on a free chip. The odds are the same. Nobody has ever provided a shred of evidence to the contrary, nor any to support such tin foil hat theories as different RTPs for different players and different coupons and different games at different time etc etc. It might SEEM that you are more likely to hit a RJ on a free chip if you have only hit them on free chips, or the majority of them at least...all it means is that you play a lot of free chips (and therefore perhaps bet larger increasing your chances) or that you were just luckier at the times you were playing free chips. However, "seems to me" means nothing in reality as slot RTP is not based on individual players and for every RJ that someone complains about winning on a free chip, there are likely 5 times as many with deposited money that we don't hear about because only a tiny portion of the gambling community visits and posts at Casinomeister.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again. If anyone REALLY thinks this "live tampering" with slot play according to what kind of money you're using or what coupon you're using etc etc is REAL, and continues to PLAY, well it says a lot about how much they REALLY believe their own theories. Alternately, it says something about how......well I'm not going to say it.

Many casinos now are deducting excess winnings after meeting WR. Personally I think it sucks and it annoying especially when you are on autoplay, but they do it to stop players running up huge comp point balances IMO, so I guess I can see the reasoning.

In regards to bonuses at RTG, what I really don't like is that the wagering requirement is not shown until after you deposit. I can't see how it would be hard to show it in terms of "x D + B" when redeeming the coupon before the deposit is made. I've seen offers in the marquee area of the lobby several times and gone to claim it and been unable to find any WR details...so I just cancel the coupon.

I agree, there is no way they can actually know you're using a free chip. Although, I guess a little part of me that's paranoid wonders sometimes if there isn't a little person back there taking control of my winning like crazy then making it all turn to crap... :eek: But I bet we all do that a little...

I can't believe you've actually hit two RJ's. I'm so sorry it was on a free chip though. One of my biggest fears too! And yet...I still play that sucker every time they give it to me!
 

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Does all the RTG machines take the same ammount of each spin and put it in the RJ-pot? When i play free chips with max cashouts i prefer to play at machines with a low or without a jackpot, as i guess you get a bit more back per spin then.

Yes! Same percentage at all RSVS-slots. But it´s not the same percentage att all RTG casinos. Dogboy, a member here, explained to us that there are two models the casino can choose.

1. A starting balance at 1000$ on the RJ and a higher percentage/spin contributes to the RJ.

2. A starting balance at 5000$ on the RJ and a lower percentage/spin contributes to the RJ.

Model 1 is easier to win on.
 

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nifty isn't this w/r before deposite ____

Bonus #1: 50% Match Coupon*

Valid until March 30th
Enter coupon code: K9D37
Deposit between $10 -$100
Receive 50% Match Bonus
Play through deposit and bonus 20x

(Can be redeemed twice per account

Yes. I don't have an issue with these coupons.

The offers I'm referring to are the ones that scroll across the bottom or top of the lobby saying "25% slots bonus today only click here!!" etc etc. It doesn't give you any indication of WR. You could assume it was according to the general bonus terms, but who would take a 25% bonus with 25xDB WR? It has to be lower, but you don't know how much until you deposit.
 

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Sometimes, free chips can be used on video poker, so if you don't want the risk that this will happen again, stick to VP or another game without an RJ.
 

Deanna

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Strange how I always seem to hit jackpots when playing a free chip, wonder if I had no bonus if I would have hit them. This one was for $3500.00+ and last one for over $15,000.00. Don't think I will play free chips again as it is too depressing to hit a jackpot and not get the winnings.

Anyone experience this?

By the way, just out of curiosity do you mind saying what you were betting both times you won the RJ's? I've heard different opinions and a lot of times I'm only betting .25 to 1.00 a spin. Just curious!
 

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So sorry to hear that..It really sucks..I will not take free chips for that reason..it makes me way to nervous. Sometimes I log into a casino and they have put a little something in my account. if it is 10.00 or 20.00, I play 5.00 a spin, just to get rid of it.

Good luck when playing in real mode..Hit another RJ
 

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Perhaps you folks have never done any programming. Almost all of programming is decision making based on condition. It would not be that hard to determine if bonus money is present and adjust the RNG accordingly.

However, its more likely the case, that with a bonus you have bigger bankroll and thus get more spins and given the design of RTG slots good hits are far and few inbetween but are usually lucrative.

I've compared RTG slot play to USA land slots and they're quite different. With RTG you almost never get several winning hits close together while its the opposite with USA land slots. There will be a good amount of hits relatively close together and then the slot will go cold.

Same for the bonus round trigger symbols. With USA slots if you start seeing two come up a lot you usually get the third.
I've seen RTG's give two bonus trigger symbols 10+ times and then instead of the third popping, they disappear entirely.

me, personally, I closed my accounts for the same reason I closed my MG accounts, I felt I was being targetted with a lower RTP once my deposit habits were learned. I know the nay sayers will all come out but folks can believe what they want. I played both MG and RTG enough to say to myself "man something is wrong here, these games can't be this bad".
 
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Sometimes, free chips can be used on video poker, so if you don't want the risk that this will happen again, stick to VP or another game without an RJ.

I noticed that recently a lot of coupons allow play on almost all games though some do not contribute to playthrough. Players are advised to watch out for this.
 
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