rushmore said that im not welcome here

[RobWin]

I've just read the last two pages here and I have to say I'm astonished at the unwarranted implications cast by RobWin that something dastardly is going on to the detriment of CM members.

I would have thought that the first logical explanation for any exchange of information to spring to mind would be the PAB system, rather than immediately jumping to the negative and none too suble innuendo that was used.

I think Max has pretty much covered my own opinion on these posts, and that perhaps more restraint is necessary in the future when firing ill-considered broadsides like this, RobWin.

In all due respect Jet, I think you have read more into this than was meant to be...

Is it no longer ok to question the status quo for further clarification? Or was it ever ok?
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[jetset]

There you go again, implying something that simply is not so.

No, I don't believe I am reading more into this than there was, and if you read back over your posts that should be obvious.

You were again implying that something bad was taking place between CM and casinos, and imo you could have sought "clarification" through a simple PM rather than attempting to make a public issue of the matter.

People can get the wrong impression from public implications such as these, however inaccurate, and out of respect for our host I believe a more considered and initially private approach would have been wiser.

Once that route had been explored I would have gone public... if there was still a need to do so.

 

[RobWin]

There you go again, implying something that simply is not so.

How do you figure that one? I said: "I think", as in this is my personal opinion on that particular matter...

No, I don't believe I am reading more into this than there was, and if you read back over your posts that should be obvious.

It all boils down to perception, doesn't it, yours, mine and others...

You were again implying that something bad was taking place between CM and casinos,

Again, it's all in one's own perception of what they will individually get from reading a few words, some as you have will perceive that one way and others will perceive it another...

and IMO you could have sought "clarification" through a simple PM rather than attempting to make a public issue of the matter.

If everyone did that, then there would never be any public posts here..

People can get the wrong impression from public implications such as these,

Like the wrong impression that one could have perceived by Emma's comment there?

and out of respect for our host I believe a more considered and initially private approach would have been wiser.

Personally, I respect Bryan and Max as well, much more than you or anyone else may ever realize here, I think I've been around here long enough and for them to know me well enough by now that I do ask at times what may be considered by some to be confrontational questions. That said, it still does not change my respect for either of these two gentlemen. I personally think it even earns them more respect from other forum members and visitors when they do take the time to answer the tough questions.

Once that route had been explored I would have gone public... if there was still a need to do so.

I can understand your opinion there, but had I gone that route, then others here that may have had the same concern but for whatever reason, would not ask like I did...then they too would have never known...

Of course this is only my opinion, since I am the one writing this post here.
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[maxd]

Why the phuck am I the only one that ever questions shit like this here?

Just thought a little more clarification regarding Emma's statement would be good to have here, for all forum members.

These two statements are not logically connected. If you want to imply that some nasty shit is happening and you're the one that's going to tell it then you say things like "Why the phuck am I the only one that ever questions shit like this here?" It denotes a hostile and aggressive stance and presumably warrants such.

If you want clarification on something you might say "Please clarify for me ....", for instance. This denotes a desire to spread and share information.

To do one and then pretend the other is deceitful and manipulative. Bad form basically.

To top it off with something like:

Is it no longer ok to question the status quo for further clarification? Or was it ever ok?

is petulance and an insult to the reader's intelligence. Clearly you are saying that there is something dark and sinister here. Such as? Get to the point or drop it. Don't play games.

Jetset didn't get anything wrong is his reading of your performance here. AFAIC he's got a crystal clear picture of what's going on in this thread.

There was a time when I would have said that such behaviour was beneath you Rob. These days you seem to be working overtime at proving that isn't so.

... I'm pretty sure that most of the casinos I play at already have more private info than Casinomeister ....

You are 100% right about that! Does CM normally have your home address? No. Your home phone? No. Any phone number for you? No. Your e-wallet info? No. Your banking info? No. Your credit card info? No. Your real name? No. In fact do we have any personal info on you at all that you are not already sharing with every other visitor to this site via the "Public Profile" info, other than your IP usage and an email address? No.

The only time we would have any of this stuff is if you are involved in a PAB, and even then we wouldn't see most of it. Banking stuff we never see.

So basically we're talking night and day here. CM have virtually nothing, casinos have a hell of a lot.

 

[RobWin]

These two statements are not logically connected.

Were they somehow supposed to be?

If you want to imply that some nasty shit is happening and you're the one that's going to tell it then you say things like "Why the phuck am I the only one that ever questions shit like this here?" It denotes a hostile and aggressive stance and presumably warrants such.

I can live with that if that is the way it has to be, but I will state this once more...I was never implying a damn thing, I just simply wanted to know what exactly was the documentation that Emma was referring to...that's it, plain and simple!

If you want clarification on something your say "Please clarify for me ....". This denotes a desire to spread and share information.

Thanks for the lesson in proper forum etiquette and how one should go about asking a question here, maybe this can further be posted in the new member information section so that others who come after me will not make the same mistake that I did there...

To do one and then pretend the other is deceitful and manipulative. Bad form basically.

I'm not trying to pretend anything, never have, never will. I may not always appease you or others here for that matter in the way I may go about asking, inquiring or anything else along those lines, but as far as implying, if that is the case...I will do it in bold form for everyone to know without a shadow of a doubt, but again, that's just me, like it or not.

To top it off with something like:

"Is it no longer ok to question the status quo for further clarification? Or was it ever ok?"

is petulance and an insult to the reader's intelligence.

Sometimes the tough questions are...should I apologize for that?

Clearly you are saying that there is something dark and sinister here

Where did I say that?

but you apparently haven't got the brass to stand your ground when challenged.

What was the challenge? Maybe I missed that...

Jetset didn't get anything wrong is his reading of your performance here. AFAIC he's got a crystal clear picture of what's going on in this thread.

Like I said above, it's all about perception...

There was a time when I would have said that such behaviour was beneath you Rob. These days you seem to be working overtime at proving that isn't so.

Don't really know what that's supposed to mean since I haven't even posted here in over two weeks, but whatever...

Reply to this thread or don't reply to it. I don't really care either way at this point...

Don't know why you guys have become so touchy here over the past several months, but again...whatever...
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[maphesto]

"you: emma u are full of **** Im amongst the older member at casinomeister

Emma: We have documentation from them to the contrary

What Emma called documentation can be a simple copy of Bryan's post where he game Kakata his temporary vacation from the forum. In this post he doesn't say it was temporary.

How much info like this casinos save for the future I don't know and this is definately not something anyone can blame CM for.

The most important issue is IMO Kakatas RTP at Rushmore.

Why can't they give him this information?
When I asked iNetBet they gave me the info about spins and payout percentage within 5 hours.

 

[maphesto]

Don't know why you guys have become so touchy here over the past several months, but again...whatever...

A guess:

There have been a lot of threads lately where communication between CM and casinos have been questioned. There have also been questions about accredited casinos and if their advertising fees here might affect Bryan and Max when it comes to "choose side".

Another guess:

If your post about Rushmore's documentation had come a year ago the response at your post might be a bit different.
But maybe you wouldn't ask the same question a year ago?

 

[RedAndi]

To me the question really wasn't about CM and mods ethics and info sharing, but more about a casino rep. using the association for THEIR own benefit.

What the Rushmore rep. said bothered me a little only in the fact that it seemed like it was a slightly veiled threat back at Kakata, implying they had some form of documentation that could be used against him. To be fair I think it was just a knee jerk by the rep. because of Kakata dropping CM into the conversation to maybe make the rep. take his request more seriously.

I have to say it is hard to not use being a member of this forum as a kind of "protection" when dealing with casinos sometimes. It is like having a lawyer in your family, someone pisses you off and next thing you know you are threatening them with a lawsuit . To date I have only mentioned being a member here once when dealing with CS, and only to say now I understand why you are on the rougue list at CM, lol.

 

[chayton]

To me the question really wasn't about CM and mods ethics and info sharing, but more about a casino rep. using the association for THEIR own benefit.

What the Rushmore rep. said bothered me a little only in the fact that it seemed like it was a slightly veiled threat back at Kakata, implying they had some form of documentation that could be used against him. To be fair I think it was just a knee jerk by the rep. because of Kakata dropping CM into the conversation to maybe make the rep. take his request more seriously.

I have to say it is hard to not use being a member of this forum as a kind of "protection" when dealing with casinos sometimes. It is like having a lawyer in your family, someone pisses you off and next thing you know you are threatening them with a lawsuit . To date I have only mentioned being a member here once when dealing with CS, and only to say now I understand why you are on the rougue list at CM, lol.

I think you nailed it, I bet there are lots of casinos who get threatened with, "I'm gonna tell casinomeister on you if you don't give me what I want." Not saying that's what K did, but he did say that he was already getting steamed, first from again not being able to get ahead and then from the previous rep not being able to help - he came into this chat with a bit of frustration.

Imagine if it were you - you've made yet another deposit into this casino, again you lose without the hint of a win, you're trying to see how far you're down and the stupid cashier thing won't work, you go to live chat and the first person can't do anything and you get disconnected anyhow. Then you find another person and the whole mess starts again. I can imagine I'd be feeling like "Sure they can take my money over and over with no problem, but when I need something or ask for something it doesn't work and nobody will help me." And now imagine how much worse it would be if you're a quick tempered Italian - I'm surprised a little name-dropping was the only thing he did.

 

[kakata]

I think you nailed it, I bet there are lots of casinos who get threatened with, "I'm gonna tell casinomeister on you if you don't give me what I want." Not saying that's what K did, but he did say that he was already getting steamed, first from again not being able to get ahead and then from the previous rep not being able to help - he came into this chat with a bit of frustration.

Imagine if it were you - you've made yet another deposit into this casino, again you lose without the hint of a win, you're trying to see how far you're down and the stupid cashier thing won't work, you go to live chat and the first person can't do anything and you get disconnected anyhow. Then you find another person and the whole mess starts again. I can imagine I'd be feeling like "Sure they can take my money over and over with no problem, but when I need something or ask for something it doesn't work and nobody will help me." And now imagine how much worse it would be if you're a quick tempered Italian - I'm surprised a little name-dropping was the only thing he did.

....and what made me even more angry was that she wanting me to explain to her what was wrong with their system...otherwise she couldnt help.
How clearer could Ive been...????
Beside she knows from the way I write that english is not my best....beside she knew a lot more about me and my never passed anger management class...and I dont believe for a second..as Bryan does ...that she really was trying to help me....helping me would have been : no problem Giovanni I will have your stats sent to you asap....not asking me what the problem was with their cashier window.
...and as usual...I didnt receive anything so far.

BTW Thanks again Chayton.

 

[jelsmith]

....and what made me even more angry was that she wanting me to explain to her what was wrong with their system...otherwise she couldnt help.
How clearer could Ive been...????
Beside she knows from the way I write that english is not my best....beside she knew a lot more about me and my never passed anger management class...and I dont believe for a second..as Bryan does ...that she really was trying to help me....helping me would have been : no problem Giovanni I will have your stats sent to you asap....not asking me what the problem was with their cashier window.
...and as usual...I didnt receive anything so far.

BTW Thanks again Chayton.

I think she has a crush...

 

[vegetagirl2008]

In my opinion one thing has nothing to do with the other. If Kakata wanted his list of how many deposits he made then that should not be an issue but for Emma to state he is not a member of Casinomeister well what does that have to do with anything. She could of left that piece of information to herself. She didn't need to go there. But she felt her back was against the wall when Kakata stated he was from Casinomeister and wanted his play records. Therefore she stated he was not part of the forum anymore and she didn't have to help him.

 

[chayton]

I think she has a crush...

I thought you were talking about me!
....of course I DO have a crush on K, but don't tell anyone.

 

[just play]

I thought you were talking about me!
....of course I DO have a crush on K, but don't tell anyone.

All us ladies do.

 

[kakata]

:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

 

[vinylweatherman]

....and what made me even more angry was that she wanting me to explain to her what was wrong with their system...otherwise she couldnt help.
How clearer could Ive been...????
Beside she knows from the way I write that english is not my best....beside she knew a lot more about me and my never passed anger management class...and I dont believe for a second..as Bryan does ...that she really was trying to help me....helping me would have been : no problem Giovanni I will have your stats sent to you asap....not asking me what the problem was with their cashier window.
...and as usual...I didnt receive anything so far.

BTW Thanks again Chayton.

Well, you DID help Emma, you said the tab was there, but would not open. This should have been enough, what more could you do, disassemble the client application to find out why
The deposit history should have been pulled from their records, and sent off. Once done, THEN they could have enlisted your help in getting to the bottom of whatever problem might be ocurring, but THEY would have needed to give you guidance as to what to try, since what you should do was not working properly.
On top of this, you would have been in a better mood with them, and more likely to help them sort out their technical problems.


The mention of you being banned here was probably a "tit for tat" exchange, and based on outdated information. What it DOES show though, is that this is the kind of information that gets recorded on your notes. Casinos DO have a notes section, and when a rep looks into your account for any reason, these can be seen. It helps keep track of issues where different reps deal with the same issues over a period of time. The PABs would be there, but it seems the fact you fell out with Bryan was also noted, but not the fact that you were alowed back.

 

[jelsmith]

I thought you were talking about me!
....of course I DO have a crush on K, but don't tell anyone.

well me too....I guess we need a plastic pool some jello and all us girls can fight it out Winner takes K

 

[chayton]

well me too....I guess we need a plastic pool some jello and all us girls can fight it out Winner takes K

K would be right in the pool with us I'm sure!

 

[vinylweatherman]

Well, just tested, and I am unable to display ANY transaction history in the Rushmore cashier. It allows players to select as far back as 2005, and I tried for a FULL history, and............ nothing. I clicked, and it just didn't respond. NO error message, just absolutely nothing at all. There is nothing more the OP could have said other than " I clicked the tab, and it didn't respond".

Shall I disassemble the Rushmore client now, or leave it for next week Emma

 

[kakata]

Thanks a lot Vinyl....I really appreciated:notworthy:notworthy

 

[kakata]

K would be right in the pool with us I'm sure!

Im already in the pool waiting for you ladies.

 

[Jasminebed]

Kakata, did you ever receive your history from Rushmore?

 

[chuchu59]

Well, just tested, and I am unable to display ANY transaction history in the Rushmore cashier. It allows players to select as far back as 2005, and I tried for a FULL history, and............ nothing. I clicked, and it just didn't respond. NO error message, just absolutely nothing at all. There is nothing more the OP could have said other than " I clicked the tab, and it didn't respond".

Shall I disassemble the Rushmore client now, or leave it for next week Emma

So you are now not welcome at casinomeister.

 

[kakata]

Kakata, did you ever receive your history from Rushmore?

no i didnt

I could do it my self later that week....stats still MIA

 

[chuchu59]

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Didnt you read the title of the thread. Ya aint welcome here. Bye spammer.