RTP (Return to Player ) posts from another thread

[Lobo]

they will do anything for an extra penny

94%

 

[L&L-Jan]

94%

You can be funny, but I've always been straight forward and open towards that so please dont!

And this is month till date:



From their backoffice. Current actual RTP over the whole month.

I've been posting these RTP's in another topic as well.

 

[colinsunderland]

94%

meaning?

 

[dunover]

meaning?

I think he's inferring that L&L are pulling the 94% RTP stunt on some slots, which AFAIK they don't.

 

[pinnit2014]

In % terms, it's the chances they will have an issue with any (or all) casinos.

 

[Jono777]

I think he's inferring that L&L are pulling the 94% RTP stunt on some slots, which AFAIK they don't.

They did announce clearly up front that when P n' G slots were added to their catalogue, they would be using the 94.xx% settings.

The transparency and honesty went down well with players also

 

[colinsunderland]

I think he's inferring that L&L are pulling the 94% RTP stunt on some slots, which AFAIK they don't.

so trolling.

 

[dunover]

They did announce clearly up front that when P n' G slots were added to their catalogue, they would be using the 94.xx% settings.

The transparency and honesty went down well with players also

I stand corrected then - but as you say, at least they were upfront about it.

 

[Jono777]

I stand corrected then - but as you say, at least they were upfront about it.

More informing you than correcting mate

 

[bamberfishcake]

Personally think it was a fair point to raise. It could have been more effectively pointed out but this is a forum and who am i to criticise somebody else's composition being an ignorant Englishman.

Open and honest feedback is the only feedback worth having.

Its also worth mentioning though that -

L&L Group have kept their RTP at max when they introduced NoLimit City games following the introduction of PlaynGo.

Most other casinos have lowered and lowered and lowered. L&L introduced mid range PlaynGo but then Max RTP NoLimit City when they could have easily plumbed for low.

 

[colinsunderland]

Personally think it was a fair point to raise. It could have been more effectively pointed out but this is a forum and who am i to criticise somebody else's composition being an ignorant Englishman.

Open and honest feedback is the only feedback worth having.

Its also worth mentioning though that -

L&L Group have kept their RTP at max when they introduced NoLimit City games following the introduction of PlaynGo.

Most other casinos have lowered and lowered and lowered. L&L introduced mid range PlaynGo but then Max RTP NoLimit City when they could have easily plumbed for low.

But in this case he had already been suspended for a week for derailing another thread with the exact same thing. It's not a secret and has been mentioned more than once in other threads, but when someone follows a rep (any rep, not just Jan) round the forum making comments like that, then its either harassing them or trolling.
In this particular case, Jan has been completely upfront about it, unlike some other casinos, and it's also worth remembering the L&L group are quite generous with bonuses, free spins, 40% reloads etc, plus all the cash they give away on here. I can live with one provider at a lower RTP taking into account the extras we get from them.

 

[Casinomeister]

Ok - I have moved these posts to here @Lobo - please don't hijack threads.

And DO NOT harass reps - that is massively uncool and can lead to disciplinary actions.

 

[bamberfishcake]

But in this case he had already been suspended for a week for derailing another thread with the exact same thing. It's not a secret and has been mentioned more than once in other threads, but when someone follows a rep (any rep, not just Jan) round the forum making comments like that, then its either harassing them or trolling.
In this particular case, Jan has been completely upfront about it, unlike some other casinos, and it's also worth remembering the L&L group are quite generous with bonuses, free spins, 40% reloads etc, plus all the cash they give away on here. I can live with one provider at a lower RTP taking into account the extras we get from them.

Sorry, rings a bell now you pointed it out.

I have a brain like a sieve.

 

[Lobo]

wow, that escaled quickly, lol

 

[slot_zombie]

tbf L&L are still a very good casino provider. I still play there, only go elsewhere if I fancy a Play 'n Go session.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

No idea what has been going on with regards to recent posts and the creation of this thread BUT I'd like to add something.

I'd like to see the accounts of these casinos who are dropping the RTP on certain slots. I'd like to bet that they are still making a healthy profit on the 96% setting and id also wager the reason for the drop is because they want to maintain the profits of yesteryear.

So, I ask, why should the player suffer because some shareholders/owners want their cake as big as it was 5 years ago?

 

[Lobo]

Ok - I have moved these posts to here @Lobo - please don't hijack threads.

And DO NOT harass reps - that is massively uncool and can lead to disciplinary actions.

When he wrote "they will do anything for an extra penny", I replied with a simple "94%" just to remind Jan where he comes from.
How tf have I harassed Jan? Last time I answered Jan on anything is 6-8 weeks ago... with actually a nice post about how L&L running play'n'go on low RTP. That was after he encouraged members on the forums to go play Play'n'go slots on L&L casinoes, and I wanted to inform other players. That in combine with a simple "FU" to Playford7, resultet in a 7 day ban.

@colinsunderland jumps in the throat of anyone who dare to speak "negatively" about L&L.
I do not care about him being "upfront" about low RTP slots on L&L in a random post months ago.
90% of all slots players have noe clue about what RTP is and they think the slots are the same all over different casinoes. It is just a damn shady move from greedy casinoes, and they HAVE TO hear it.

@Casinomeister : I will never stop replying and informing about casinoes with low RTP's when I think it fits. After Jan's comment: "they will do anything for an extra penny", he had it comming.
If a comment of simply "94%" was too much for you, then go ahead and permanently ban me, because that will not be the last time I'll speak my shallow mind.

 

[Casinomeister]

...
If a comment of simply "94%" was too much for you, then go ahead and permanently ban me, because that will not be the last time I'll speak my shallow mind.

"94%" was not too much for me - but it was cryptic, troll-like, and hijacked the thread. How did you think Jan or others would have responded?

This is not about speaking your mind - no matter how shallow you claim it to be. It has to do with forum etiquette, forum management, and respecting others - to include forum reps who have to put up with troll comments like yours.

What you could have said is "I disagree with what Jan implied - this is what I think here" And refer folks to a new thread that you've started about the subject, about how RTP is so freaking vital to game play.

I work hard to keep threads on track - keeping in mind most members don't want to weed through the personal bickering and jabs, and other horse hockey. I should not be telling grown folks how to act.

 

[colinsunderland]

When he wrote "they will do anything for an extra penny", I replied with a simple "94%" just to remind Jan where he comes from.
How tf have I harassed Jan? Last time I answered Jan on anything is 6-8 weeks ago... with actually a nice post about how L&L running play'n'go on low RTP. That was after he encouraged members on the forums to go play Play'n'go slots on L&L casinoes, and I wanted to inform other players. That in combine with a simple "FU" to Playford7, resultet in a 7 day ban.

@colinsunderland jumps in the throat of anyone who dare to speak "negatively" about L&L.
I do not care about him being "upfront" about low RTP slots on L&L in a random post months ago.
90% of all slots players have noe clue about what RTP is and they think the slots are the same all over different casinoes. It is just a damn shady move from greedy casinoes, and they HAVE TO hear it.

@Casinomeister : I will never stop replying and informing about casinoes with low RTP's when I think it fits. After Jan's comment: "they will do anything for an extra penny", he had it comming.
If a comment of simply "94%" was too much for you, then go ahead and permanently ban me, because that will not be the last time I'll speak my shallow mind.

Bull. It's only a couple of weeks since I was critical of them give 2p spins as part of a promo and not mentioning that point in any of the promotional material. If I think a casino is doing something wrong, I will say so, and it doesn't make a bit of difference who they are. I will also praise them if I think it's due, no matter who they are.

I've just glanced back through your posts and apart from one about N1 Casinos, I can't find a single other post relating to the RTP made by you, about PlayNGo or any other slot provider or casino, apart from L&L ones.

Shady is doing it slyly. When L&L introduced PnG they were set at the 94% version. Jan stated that well before they went live. He didn't hide it. That would be shady. Like Videoslots did. Can you point to the posts where you are chasing them round the forum putting 94% in reply to their posts? Or Trada who were running at the highest level, but now are on 91%? Or any of the other casinos/reps that are running lower RTP versions of any games?

The fact your post in this thread was '94%' and nothing else shows exactly what you were doing. If it wasn't trolling you would have given more of an explanation. After your previous rants on here, (like this one for example) I'm surprised you still want to be a member, but clearly you've decided trolling is a good use of your time.

Just to remind you what you said

I will never stop replying and informing about casinoes with low RTP's when I think it fits.

Looking forward to seeing the posts I've obviously missed regarding other casinos?

 

[Ginogenelli]

Tbf to colinsunderland he is, I find, extremely neutral to both casinos and players. If anything he leans more towards the player from what I've seen.

Keeping on topic I have seen sky Vegas have launched skyvegas megaways at a whopping 93.0% RTP. No jackpot linked to the slot either

 

[myke35]

I have seen sky Vegas have launched skyvegas megaways at a whopping 93.0% RTP.

 

[Slottery]

No idea what has been going on with regards to recent posts and the creation of this thread BUT I'd like to add something.

I'd like to see the accounts of these casinos who are dropping the RTP on certain slots. I'd like to bet that they are still making a healthy profit on the 96% setting and id also wager the reason for the drop is because they want to maintain the profits of yesteryear.

So, I ask, why should the player suffer because some shareholders/owners want their cake as big as it was 5 years ago?

Only publicly-listed companies have to share their numbers, but they are available for all to see every quarter. Kindred, Aspire and many others have all their numbers available, Q1 results were published just little while ago, these can be actually quite interest to read through how some of these companies have developed (if you read quartal reports few years back, you can see how they have changed their strategies or what have changed things), if you check Aspire Q1 results, it's unfortunately not looking that bad player experience with minimal RTP:s is really bad way to run online casino. Unibet who have all the highest RTP settings and some extra high for few games for some markets probably take quite a bit of that RTP back in their deposit fees and maybe also cover it for while by giving 75 redundancies.

I'm probably living in more cynical world in my head as i don't see any reason why some companies wouldn't try to maximize their winning or make business decisions that let's make less money this year, just to that to make some people happy. Actually playing slots been quite free from inflation, costs for playing some games have been exactly same years and years for players when at same time, most of products and services have their prices increased, most of industries have reached increasing expenses and very few are willing to pay all themselves but make at least part to be paid by customers way or another but preferably not cost of profits.

I really struggle to get any examples about companies who would be happy to intentionally make smaller profits to their owners, RTP is just really small part in that puzzle where casinos see it benefical still offer it (some have changed their minds but probably there always be some offering it, now less than year ago, year from this, nobody knows).

 

[slot_zombie]

Keeping on topic I have seen sky Vegas have launched skyvegas megaways at a whopping 93.0% RTP. No jackpot linked to the slot either

This is fast becoming an insult, every week new RTP problems for the player, flying thick and fast from every angle. Lower than brick and mortar casinos in the UK. Bravo....

 

[Halvor]

So, I ask, why should the player suffer because some shareholders/owners want their cake as big as it was 5 years ago?

It's a business, the aim for any company is to make a profit.

I'd you don't like the rtp then choose a casino with different settings.

 

[Kroffe]