RTP is too low..

goatwack

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I don't see why he'd be banned going by his recent posts, unless I've missed something. Perhaps it was done because of a PM :eek:

My son is no more :(
 

trancemonkey

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I don't see why he'd be banned going by his recent posts, unless I've missed something. Perhaps it was done because of a PM :eek:

My son is no more :(

Yeah the post quoted above was from Dec 19... the guy didn't believe a word any one said, but his recent posts weren't ban worthy so guess it must have been a PM or something else that's maybe been deleted...
 

aceking123

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Bloaty & irish both banned same time anyone know why or whats been missed??
 

slot_zombie

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Back on the thread subject, I see from Dunover's reviews today that blueprint have rolled out a couple of new slots on under 95% RTP so the value is indeed disappearing. Whats the point (of playing).
 

zreb

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I'm curious what kind of dialog goes on between slot developers and casinos - are casinos requesting slots with lower RTP? Do casinos negotiate lower rates (payments from casinos to slot providers) for slots with a higher RTP?

Hypothetically, a slot provider could create whatever kind of slot they want, and it's up to the casinos whether or not to accept it. I wonder if this single degree of separation has any potential impact on the kind of slots we will see. A slot provider could release, say, a 97% rtp slot, and if it proved popular, they have negotiating power even if casinos wanted to push down slot RTP's to the 94-95% range.

But I don't know how exactly the whole negotiating process goes down between casinos and slot providers.
 

Aryol

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I think that super high variance is the worst thing that can happen because this way they gonna make 92 % RTP Slots and teasing you with the chance for 10 000x or more.

Right now if you are super unlucky, you can lose 1000 € in a few minutes with 1 € bet. The number of features, ... in some slots are great but they are not often enough. There must be a little "anti-luck" system for this games with bad base game, I mean 1-2k spins and no free spins is the worst experience a player can make. Quickspin added coin rewards so the player can buy features which were a great choice in my eyes.

With anti-luck I mean just a system that increases the playtime, often I just want gamble a little bit checking new games. But there is always one game that has multiple features which are not triggering once in over a thousand spins. Even slots with max. win 150x having such a high variance that having a good playtime is not guaranteed. I like the animations some games do, but this 50-100 dead spins in a row cannot be the true design game providers aiming for. Increasing the RTP would not solve this, I think 96 % is fine and 98 % is really good but I do not like games which are designed like "pay super mega ultra big win" or "pay nothing" we need more medium variance games where we do not need to fear bonus round to pay 1x or less.

I mean what is this? Got 10 times bonus in doa, not once over 15x... I know that there is one player who has the luck to get a wildline in the first spin but thats not the point. Free Spins should be something special or at least have a decent min. win around 20x and I would be happy. Netent is really special, getting into free rounds sometimes impossible and when finally getting in you went out with 0x and thinking about the meaning of life...
 

lockinlove

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Some of these casinos I wont touch if it was the last casino on earth. Lucky Dino have super nice staff but I will never play there because they have such terrible rtp. 92% on jurassic giants and others. I see no reason for online casino to be that damn greedy. Go play a 92% rtp vs a 96% and tell me how you feel after lol or simply go play at a landbased.

Landbased have 90% rtp because of all the employees they have, which are hundreds a night, huge buildings to maintain etc. Online casinos have maybe 10-30 employees in a smallish office? Now they want to put their rtp with landbased? Try it and I will buy my own slot machine to play by myself to fill the need to gamble. Oh and family members I dont like can play it too ;p
 

Gaz237

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I was partly to blame for irish ranger's ban :( I asked him about his chat room adventures from times past and well the conversation became a bit too detailed, it upset some of the ladies and ended in a ban.

His actual ban was for dissing the mod who warned him about said convoy/comments.
 

mack341

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His actual ban was for dissing the mod who warned him about said convoy/comments.

yeah, but If I hadn't prompted him to reply further it's maybe unlikely it would have happened. I was interested in the possible humorous mishaps in travelling all the way to america for basically blind dates etc.. but it got a bit more graphic, I should have pm'd him instead..I blame the christmas delirium for affecting my brain and clouding my normal common sense :oops:
 

trancemonkey

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yeah, but If I hadn't prompted him to reply further it's maybe unlikely it would have happened. I was interested in the possible humorous mishaps in travelling all the way to america for basically blind dates etc.. but it got a bit more graphic, I should have pm'd him instead..I blame the christmas delirium for affecting my brain and clouding my normal common sense :oops:

You didn't make him have a go at dunover - that's entirely his decision.
 

trancemonkey

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I'm curious what kind of dialog goes on between slot developers and casinos - are casinos requesting slots with lower RTP? Do casinos negotiate lower rates (payments from casinos to slot providers) for slots with a higher RTP?

Hypothetically, a slot provider could create whatever kind of slot they want, and it's up to the casinos whether or not to accept it. I wonder if this single degree of separation has any potential impact on the kind of slots we will see. A slot provider could release, say, a 97% rtp slot, and if it proved popular, they have negotiating power even if casinos wanted to push down slot RTP's to the 94-95% range.

But I don't know how exactly the whole negotiating process goes down between casinos and slot providers.

It's a super-simple(ish) process...
I'm a game developer. I want my games on as many casinos as possible. I also want my game to play as well as it can, so i probably make my game just north of 96%.
Some casinos are happy to take games at 96%.
Some casinos want a lower RTP.
You do (almost) whatever it takes to get your games live, because the more casinos you're games are live at, the more money you make.
If you're very lucky, and you have a killer game (Bonanza for example) you will have more sway in refusing to lower the RTP below you're preferred RTP.
If you don't have a killer game, and a casino you want your games live on asks for 94%, then you either do it, or you don't release the game.
If you don't release the game on that casino, you are losing revenue. Not many people will lose money on purpose...
 
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Siohmy

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The combination of lower RTP and HV god-awful design will kill the industry. The things play badly enough as it is. Rather than take a long term look at ways of increasing custom whilst retaining the entertainment factor (not easy i know), to the shock of no-one, casinos and manufacturers have gone for the short term quick hit.

Personally I would have tapered the RTP based on stake. I know WMS have done this but their base level of £2 for 96% seems a little steep. Either that or remove stakes below 50p. There has to be some element of inflation which has to be accounted for but reducing the RTP whilst also encouraging players to buy features in stupidly HV slots is a pretty shitty way of going about things.

That said, we’ve only got ourselves, largely at least, to blame. If we didn’t gobble up the HV slots tempted by the “we get them every week” record wins on YT then the manufacturers and casinos wouldn’t be attracted to them like a moth to a flame.
 
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