RTP is too low..

Reelsoffun

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Just as an example:

There is a slot with 100x max win. I was thinking "super low volatility, RTP over 96%, max win must be easy to get"!
Lol, it took more than 12,000 spins to get the 100x :p

Food for thought.


Just because a slot "looks" super low volatility don't mean it is, without the data sheet you can't be sure, but i understand your logic and reasoning.

A 100x max win slot is on par with current UK AWP Cat C £1 stake £100 and any player will tell you they can be far from low volatility LOL
 

SlotGrinder

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I never said rtp is what makes a game fun to play (although it plays a part) - but ultimately rtp is what defines how much you lose longterm . Idk why the obsession with an individual session and how it "feels" . I'm playing slots all year not just one day . I play poker for a living (tournaments) and I lose the majority of days and sometimes months at a time :( but what's important is your expected roi (equivalent of rtp rly) . There's huge variance in tournaments , similar to slots and you can win way more or way less than your estimated expectation over the short/medium and even longterm but that's the gambling aspect of it

Just because an individual slot session doesn't feel much different between 96% rtp and 98% rtp doesn't mean your longterm experience will be no different . With the 98% rtp you will double the playtime . How that is distributed will vary but it might take the form of less super quick unsatisfactory sessions or it may mean more winning sessions (which by nature will be longer playtime) but similar amount of quick losing sessions . To say that we won't notice the difference is laughable .

98% rtp games can be the same maths profile as 96% rtp games yet with 2% rtp added . Maybe that 0.5x win every 5 spins becomes a 0.6x win . Sure it won't be noticeable for 100 spins but it will make a huge difference longterm
Why would casinos bother to raise rtp ? Well they won't whilst there's some players saying 96% rtp is great . But if a lot of players say hey wait why are you taking such a big edge on a game that is so quick and easy to wager a lot of money on and then a developer comes along with a 98% rtp slot that gets a lot of volume and profits then it might happen that casinos decide they need to offer that game.. and so on
 

Reelsoffun

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Well i grew up with slots ( UK AWPs ) paying out 78% ( 72% on the big jackpot club machines ) which was the default for a lot of games in the late 80's so 96% im more than happy with lol

Its been known a long time that the worst games in any casino to play are the slots, them having the highest house edge overall, yet high 96% RTP slots are only half a % ish away from roulette which can also be quick and easy to wager a lot of money on.

Was given a free 10p scratchcard on sky vegas the other day ( TED ) and they are RTP 80% who the hell in their right mind plays them ?


Its all boils down to if you dont like the RTP of a game then dont play it but to think 96+% isnt high enough to have fun and a reasonable chance of a win is a bit of a stretch, its why LB casinos dont run at 96% I doubt they would cover the overheads.
 

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@tracemonkey - would you say the B and Ms are less (differently?) engaging because of their design or RTP
I'm aware the slots here are set lower and B and Ms and frankly, I just don't enjoy them - now, whether that's simply because of their lower setting or design, I can't say with certainty. I DO know I don't find them engaging or have any longevity.
I can pull out 1k online - I NEVER do at a landbased (well, ok, ONCE) and whereas I could do an all nighter online I certainly couldnt or havent at the brick and mortar with the same balance - nor would I find it interesting enough to were I able (but possible for the fact I'd get sauced :p )
 

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Is it rigged? Ofcourse not. Is it fair? On paper proberly yes. Can we actually win without being fisted ? I doubt it. The RTP is calculated over 150.000 spins on online and proberly less then 20.000 on landbased. I had so many dead spins over the last period of time, i dont believe in a bad streak. It's time consuming, money eating and VIP managers eager to trigger you to play some even more. I've never seen such a greedy business as the online casinos.

Why is it that on peak times the games seem to work a 'bit' better? And why not at any random given time? It was random right? Oh wait... random within parameters yes. Perfectly crafted algorithms to keep players playing some more, lose more then they could actually afford. It's their house, the song is named hotel california. You can check-in but you can never leave.

I know he's banned now, but this is the third time (at least) he's quoted laughable numbers as to how games are calculated. He's been corrected before and ignores facts... Clearly no one can help this guy :(
 

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I know he's banned now, but this is the third time (at least) he's quoted laughable numbers as to how games are calculated. He's been corrected before and ignores facts... Clearly no one can help this guy :(
there's confirmation bias, then there's fossilization
 

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@tracemonkey - would you say the B and Ms are less (differently?) engaging because of their design or RTP
I'm aware the slots here are set lower and B and Ms and frankly, I just don't enjoy them - now, whether that's simply because of their lower setting or design, I can't say with certainty. I DO know I don't find them engaging or have any longevity.
I can pull out 1k online - I NEVER do at a landbased (well, ok, ONCE) and whereas I could do an all nighter online I certainly couldnt or havent at the brick and mortar with the same balance - nor would I find it interesting enough to were I able (but possible for the fact I'd get sauced :p )

Higher RTPS online count towards your higher cashouts.
 

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The 100 percent days are over guys and not coming back, The 96% days are over soon if not already. Be selective and educated as to what you play and play the games you enjoy and have luck on.
 

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I know he's banned now, but this is the third time (at least) he's quoted laughable numbers as to how games are calculated. He's been corrected before and ignores facts... Clearly no one can help this guy :(

Ah hell, bloatgoat is banned? Shame, funny guy.
 

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When was there ever 100% days?


I was using Las Vegas as an example back when there was competition. Even online back in 2006-07 there was 99-100 percent slots or advertised anyway. Not happening now as expenses are so high now and it's all greed and how fast they can take your money now.
 

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I was using Las Vegas as an example back when there was competition. Even online back in 2006-07 there was 99-100 percent slots or advertised anyway. Not happening now as expenses are so high now and it's all greed and how fast they can take your money now.

Maybe I'm missing something here?

How can a casino survive on 100% or even 99%, more so at a b n m?.

Where does the money come from to pay the bills?
 

trancemonkey

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Maybe I'm missing something here?

How can a casino survive on 100% or even 99%, more so at a b n m?.

Where does the money come from to pay the bills?

They can't... you could have a select few on that RTP as marketing stunt but I don't know of a game higher than 96 in B and M. EGT might have some on 97 in eastern Europe I think
 

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Maybe I'm missing something here?

How can a casino survive on 100% or even 99%, more so at a b n m?.

Where does the money come from to pay the bills?

Not all slots were and trance says it was a marketing stunt.
 

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I was back home at the Xmas period and hit the arcades in my seaside town. Checking out Andy Capp, Road Hog, Luxor and how times have changed from when i played them at the time '74%, 82%, RTP!' i muttered the whole way through my wee jaunt.

Having said that, i made 20 quid last a few hours which is, er, precisely 1h 45mins more than last night :p
 
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