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RTG reducing their slots payouts?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by KasinoKing, Sep 15, 2006.

    Sep 15, 2006
  1. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    It has been revealed in another thread (Fruit Frenzy gone from iNetBet) that in a recent 'upgrade' the programming got changed so that players NEVER got the extra free-spins in the bonus round.

    Now Fruit Frenzy has been around for many many years, so one has to ask the question why were they tweaking it? (I can't imagine adding or upgrading any other games could effect this game 'by accident')

    One possible answer is they were adjusting the % of successful extra spins in the feature and that the programmer cocked-up and effectively set it to 0%! :eek:
    This error was soon obvious, but would players notice if all the other Real Series slots have had their percentages reduced? I doubt it.

    Many players (including me) have commented on how their luck on the RS slots has plummeted - so am I being paranoid or does anyone else agree that it looks like a deliberate act by RTG?
     
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  2. Sep 15, 2006
  3. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

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    How would this benefit RTG? Unless of course the operators pressured them to make these changes...
     
  4. Sep 15, 2006
  5. SlotsWizard

    SlotsWizard Dormant account webmeister

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    You know, I was actually considering posting a thread about this. I have pumped a lot of money into these slots the past few days, and NOTHING. NADA. Not one bonus round.

    I was going to ask if the slots have been tightened, and I mean considerably!
     
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  6. Sep 15, 2006
  7. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    You can only speculate why RTG decided to change some mechanics involving payout% for existing slots.

    Conspiracy minded people could argue that RTG wanted to change the payout% limits for their slots (downward of course), since this new change resulted in an all time
    low payout%. Or maybe it was a human payout% configuration error, which at least showed us how tight RTG slots can be set.

    Recently there been an increasing competition between RTG casinos by offering higher and higher slot deposit bonuses. To compensate for these bonuses I believe
    the casinos set the slot to a lower payout%. 1 year ago I found the RTG slots much more loose (MG standard) and several other members here has posted the
    same observation. Now the bonus race resulted in setting the payout% even lower, and maybe something not intended happened here so it was set too tight.

    Zoozie
     
  8. Sep 15, 2006
  9. pingpong

    pingpong Experienced Member

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    That new Achilles-slot must be the biggest joke ever. Played 2000 spin last night on Inetbet and didnt get three Achilles ONCE. Got three Troys once -outcome: 7.50 dollars (on a one-dollar-bet) :eek:

    Are many of the new RTG-slots fun? Yes. Do they have interesting bonus-rounds? Yes. Do the bonus-rounds ever appear? Nope.

    Have played RTG for years, but the slots do only seem to get tighter and tighter. If the bonus-rounds appear aprx every 132th spin at Thunderstruck/Ladies/Tally/SpringBreak (didnt someone come up with that number?) at MG, it must be aprx 250-300th spin at RTG.
     
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  10. Sep 15, 2006
  11. pacers31

    pacers31 Banned Used - Repetitive violations of <a href="ht

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    Same here, I have pumped a couple grand into the RS slots in the last month and never seem to ever even get much over the amount of the deposit in any play session. I really like some of the games, including fruit frenzy, but when you can only barely get ahead at any given time, then it sucks it all back, it really discourages me from any hope of a decent win on these slots. Too bad that all the RTGs seem to work this way, I think I'm going land based for awhile and observe the online world for now.
     
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  12. Sep 15, 2006
  13. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    It would no doubt be due to pressure by the operators.

    Here's another 'conspiracy theory' for you (as has been touched on in other threads), maybe with the impending possibility of online gambling being banned in the US, some of the operators are trying to grab what they can before they lose this major source of income.... :eek2:
     
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  14. Sep 15, 2006
  15. darkpixie

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    I really do think it is a 'per operator' thing. I stupidly played $300 at iNetBet and not ONCE did I get over my bank roll, and barely got any bonus rounds to boot, pretty amazing with that kind of bankroll. Not ONCE! BUT I played at 49ers and made a tidy profit getting the features regularily, cleared my bonus without problem and withdrew about $2000 in total. All in the same month as my deposits at iNetBet. Something VERY fishy there.
    I will say thought hat Fruit Frenzey was also hooped at 49ers so I just did not play it anymore. So I fully believe it was RTG that messed that game up, not the operators.
     
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  16. Sep 15, 2006
  17. trips to win

    trips to win Dormant account

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    I am an RTG junkie

    and I definitely believe they have tightened up the Real Series slots. For example: Ceasars Empire. Just lately in the bonus round the coins are now giving 1 free spin each. They used to give up to 5 free spins each. I have seen this in every bonus round I have played. Now it is no better than the Aztec game with their stingy 1 free spin per voodoo doll. (or whatever that thing is). That game used to give up to 5 free spins per symbol too before they changed it. The whole thing started going downhill when the new games were being released faster than a picker on speed. I have been saying this for awhile now but thought that it might be just a streak of bad luck. I have come to believe as of late that it is not bad luck but rather low payout percentages.
    I am so disgusted over the whole Fruit Frenzy screw-up that I may never play that game again. I didn't like the explanation that was posted by one of the RTG casinos here for the disappearance of the random JP in Fruit Frenzy or why there was no mention of the big winner or why the game was completely GONE! Why should any player have to wait for a news letter to find out? The players build those jackpots. The players have a right to know don't they? (or am I completely off base here?)
    Yeah yeah I know-- it's gambling after all. But fair gambling is all I ever ask for. Fair gambling is something I expect when I open my wallet. When it feels like it is no longer a fair fight then it's time to move on or quit altogether.
     
  18. Sep 15, 2006
  19. OMENIC

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    I've wondered why the minimum bet changes.

    I'm playing low value pulls $0.20 then when I restart the lowest I can play is $1.

    I've hit the 3- achilles bonus several times but i've never gotten more than 15 spins. 20 and 25 are supposed to be options.

    Penguin power - I've gotten 25 spins once. I always get 10.
     
  20. Sep 15, 2006
  21. trips to win

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    hmmm OMENIC - what casino do you play at? I have never encountered this before. Every casino I play at you can lower the bet down to 40 or 20 cents.
    I agree with the bonus spins on the games you mentioned. The lowest amount of spins is the norm for me too. I do better on Paris Beauty than the other new ones. The bonus rounds seem to pay better. (when you can get them!).
    The Derby Dollar game really aggravates me. 2 coins for 5 spins seems to be all I can get anymore. I think I may have angered the bonus round devils with all of my loud hollering and profanities.
     
  22. Sep 15, 2006
  23. chuchu59

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    It's quite a sensible 'conspiracy theory'. The US is a big market and if there is a ban there, the whole online gambling market will shrink and each casinos market share will also be reduced. Many of the lesser ones will go out of business and if RTG conspires with some of these 'crooks' one of the best ways to get more $ would be to reduce slots payouts across the Board and then state there had been technical glitches and then restore things back to their normal payout levels. The crunch will come when RTG decides whether to compensate players for the "Fruit Frenzy' fiasco. If there is adequate compensation, this would be seen as some sincerity on their part. Otherwise, with the reduced slots payouts in recent weeks, most casinos would have gotten a windfall from slots players with only Inetbet and a couple of the 'good RTGs' coming to the senses and withdraw the questionable games so as not to be involved in all this furore.
     
  24. Sep 17, 2006
  25. SlotsWizard

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    There is another possibility. Since the majority of RTG operators are underfunded and cannot pay their winners, perhaps they tightened up the slots enough to guarantee that there would be no winners (aside from the occasional blackjack/video poker player). Then non-payment problems are precluded and the operators can be guaranteed to make a profit.
     
  26. Sep 17, 2006
  27. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    It seems that the table games ie baccarat and paikow poker have been tightened up too. I have just had one of my worst streaks ever at both 2 games in an RTG casino. Has anyone else experienced this?
     
  28. Sep 18, 2006
  29. OMENIC

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    I'm not sure if it was an update glitch or what. But it happened at Real Vegas Online.
     
  30. Sep 18, 2006
  31. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Tightened

    So how exactly DOES one tighten a RANDOM game (as they have been telling us they are whenever it is suggested otherwise). If they can set a lower payout without changing the paytables or reel bands, it would seem the mythical "lose switch" is no myth!!!

    It is now my opinion that the tip off & screenshot I received earlier after another thread relates to RTG. It was of a selection menu on a web page, games to the left and a drop-down list on the right against each where a % payput could be selected. The selection possibilities went lower than 90% too!!!

    If RTG want to clean up their image this is not the way to go about it!
     
  32. Sep 19, 2006
  33. SlotsWizard

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    Something is very wrong

    I have removed all Realtime Gaming casinos and advertisements from my web site. I certainly hope that this is temporary.

    I am not easily convinced that something is rigged, fixed or whatever. But I have seen enough to convince me that something is very wrong with the RTG games - and not just the new ones, the old ones as well.

    I am not simply mad over a little bit of bad luck - I honestly believe that these games have had their payout levels significantly reduced. In the $850 I deposited in the last week, I did not hit one single bonus round on any of the slot games (average bet size $1 to $2).

    Something has clearly changed.

    I think an explanation and/or audit from RTG is warranted.
     
  34. Sep 19, 2006
  35. mikekloeg

    mikekloeg Experienced Member webmeister

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    i had a awesome run on rtg
    ad 49ers casino
    started with 20 cents
    i hitted freespins after free spins
    even fruit frenzy i made the 25 spins
    and 1x a retrigger of 10 spins

    Cashed out 1.000$

    just for a 25$ deposit and started up from 20 cents
    thank you! 49er:thumbsup:
     
  36. Sep 19, 2006
  37. Rettahs

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    I used to like the RTG's just to take a bonus and lose it, yep I am one of those gluttons who gamble for the thrill of losing. I quit smoking so I spend that money to gamble and I will withdraw sometimes but not often and usually take a bonus to just prolong the thrill but lately even I have found that the RTG's are tight as heck in card games as well. I thought it was just me with even worse luck than usual but this thread makes me consider sticking with MG and losing slower lol. I just wish I could find a MG casino that would allow me to play Let em ride in fun mode so I could see if there is a huge difference but all the MG's I have seen have poker ride or whatever they call it as a real money progressive only game and you can't practice with it. Oh well.
     
  38. Sep 19, 2006
  39. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    When did you get that awesome run? For the past week or so, none of the posters here seemed to get more than the minimum 5 spins on fruit frenzy with one poster not getting anything more than the minimum on 63 hits. So, Mike I am glad that you are one of the first to get a taste of the revitalised Fruit Frenzy Slot and hope the game stays that way.
     

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