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RTG pontoon: ace/ten after AA split is a 2:1 pontoon - or is it?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by caruso, May 18, 2005.

    May 18, 2005
  1. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of 1.6 - troll

    Casino apologist
    This is a follow-up to my previous thread on the matter:


    I looked at Michael Shakleford's "pontoon" section yesterday and noticed that the original, slightly ambiguous text regarding an ace/ace split...

    "I have an uncomfirmed report that some RTG casinos do not treat a pontoon after splitting aces as a pontoon, but rather a soft 21. If this is the case the house edge is increased by 0.45% to 0.62%."

    ...had been changed to...

    "The house edge is 0.62%. If you can find a game where a pontoon after splitting aces pays 2 to 1 then the house edge would be 0.17%. However this is no longer the case at Real Time Gaming casinos."

    Since I had previous evidence that, at iNetbet at least, split ace pontoons were still 2:1 pontoons, I did a trial run. It took ages to get an example, but the hand I ended up with quashes all doubts - see the screenshot:

    1) Pontoons pay 2:1 after ace splits.

    2) You can resplit and draw additional cards.

    In other words, the rules remain as they've always been.

    However, RTG themselves state the following:

    Maybe this was simply sloppily copied from the blackjack rules?

    I notified Mr. S, who's updated his page according:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    I hope this is simply a mistake in the rules, NOT an intended implementation into the game which has somehow been overlooked - it would be extremely disadvantageous to the player and wouldn't do the casinos any good, either.

    In the unfortunate event RTG DO plan on something like this, I'd like to encourage them NOT to, for a handful of good reasons:

    1) This is a player-popular game, because of both the variance and the low house edge.

    2) It remains profitable to the casino: at ten hands per minute, the casino's hourly win rate works out to almost exactly the player's initial wager.

    3) Cryptologic offer this game now, with the exact same rules as RTG. If RTG decide to downgrade the game into a house edge of 0.62%, they will lose customers to the Crypto game. As it stands, you can be sure the RTG game is tons more popular than the Crypto version. RTG should not shoot themselves in the foot ostensibly for a quick profit.

    I'll now be testing this regularly at iNetbet. If and when the game is downgraded, I'll report on the fact.
  2. May 18, 2005
  3. emily_hanson

    emily_hanson Casino Representative

    iNetBet Casino Manager
    Hello to all,
    A quick thank you to Caruso for bringing this to our attention.

    As Caruso states above the payout ratio of (2-1) is correctly being delivered, however in the help section it is incorrectly stating that a Pontoon gained from Split Aces is regarded simply as 21 and therefore would only receive 1-1 payout.

    Our CSR Alan has been in contact with Caruso and has confirmed that the help section will be amended and NOT the payout. We have also contacted RTG to have this rectified.

    Thank you again Caruso, this is, as you say rather 'sloppy'.

    Emily Hanson
    iNetBet Manager
  4. May 18, 2005
  5. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

    Mathematician by day, online gambler by night.
    For a moment I thought you were testing it betting $100 in real money, then I noticed that it was just fun balance.
  6. May 19, 2005
  7. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of 1.6 - troll

    Casino apologist
    Thank you, Emily, glad to hear it.
    Last edited: May 19, 2005
  8. May 19, 2005
  9. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Bexhill on sea, England
    Hear it! Where wos you dragged up? No edication? :D

    {Edit} Damn that edit facility! :rolleyes:
    Last edited: May 19, 2005

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