RTG Pay %

SnowKatt

Dormant account
Alright, are there any reps here that can tell us the payout percentage for their casino?

Clubworld
Inetbet
Mainstreet Grp.
etc...

It's killing me here. Is there a way to find out, and find out if it periodically changes and what the changes are based on??
 

brianzz

Dormant account
Evidently RTG operators can change the return of their games when they need/want to. I'm sure it's adjustable from 60% to 99%.
 

SnowKatt

Dormant account
I'm curious to see how many are willing to share that information. I think people have a right to know their odds before playing the slots.

How often do they change?
Why isn't the percentage listed on the casino websites?
If someone wins a big jackpot, should I give up on anything hitting for a month?

Not unreasonable questions I don't think...
 

RobWin

closed account
I'm curious to see how many are willing to share that information. I think people have a right to know their odds before playing the slots.

How often do they change?
Why isn't the percentage listed on the casino websites?
If someone wins a big jackpot, should I give up on anything hitting for a month?

Not unreasonable questions I don't think...
Good Luck on that one SnowKatt !!!
 

kimss

Senior Member
... And when they alter the payout... Do they change the wheels, or do they magically influence the RNG?

(No need to reply, it was only ment to _look_ like a question... :D)
 

SnowKatt

Dormant account
I think there's an evil garden gnome watching my spins giggling to himself as he says ''watch this'' and *POOF* alters my winning spins before the reels stop.
 

heatherad

Senior Member
Alright, are there any reps here that can tell us the payout percentage for their casino?

Clubworld
Inetbet
Mainstreet Grp.
etc...

It's killing me here. Is there a way to find out, and find out if it periodically changes and what the changes are based on??
Question is...do you think you will get an honest answer or just one you want to hear? :p
 

SnowKatt

Dormant account
Well the issue isn't whether or not they can change the %. I'm aware with the RTG software there's that capability. The questions I have are, why aren't more reputable casino's open with their payout %'s, have them posted on their website, or alert players when the percentages have changed? (have a monthly % report on the site or something) If a casino is well established, has a good reputation, has good customer service etc... informing players they dropped their % down a point or two should not scare away loyal players.

But back to my original and most important question. WHO of our loyal casino hosts is going to tell us what they are? ;)
 

vinylweatherman

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Well the issue isn't whether or not they can change the %. I'm aware with the RTG software there's that capability. The questions I have are, why aren't more reputable casino's open with their payout %'s, have them posted on their website, or alert players when the percentages have changed? (have a monthly % report on the site or something) If a casino is well established, has a good reputation, has good customer service etc... informing players they dropped their % down a point or two should not scare away loyal players.

But back to my original and most important question. WHO of our loyal casino hosts is going to tell us what they are? ;)
INetBet probably will, they have answered this question before, and recently gave me this information because a post in Winner Screenshots looked like RTG Video Poker had the option to recycle discards. iNetBet assured me that these games can only have their overall payouts changed by using alternative paytables. If we assume the RNG to be sufficiently random, it is possible to calculate the percentage payouts of all the table games mathematically. Slots are a little different, iNetBet have always maintained they stick to the 95% option, and do not mess with it, this assurance was also volunteered to me today, even though the main thrust was the possibility that VP could recycle discards.

Only the "manager bonus" has a max cashout at iNetBet (although presumably, if they gave another kind of no deposit chip, this too would have a max cashout), and Club World have a max cashout an any kind of free chip that does not require a deposit.

With the Reel Series slots, around 1% feeds the random jackpot, so for most players, the return would be 94%, but with the chance of hitting the RJ built into each spin. This has the effect of increasing the variance, as it is, in effect, a progressive slot model.

RTG operators also have the option to combine the RJ's to run over several slots, or even the entire lot. They can also define some of the other games to be progressive, or not, as they wish, mostly the stable of "classic" slots.

Reputable casinos that choose RTG have to struggle for credibilty though, this is not because of what they ACTUALLY do, but because of what RTG software LETS them do if they wish (and the rogues have been CAUGHT doing). Software such as MG does NOT allow individual operators to mess with payout percentages, the games are supplied "as is", to a paytable and percentage payout determined by MG, and operators have to either take a game as it comes, or not have it. This was the case with the early Classic Blackjack with a house edge of under 0.2%, it was rare to find the game at a MG casino. With EZBonus, and the ability to weight it at 2% or less, the Gold version is pretty much everywhere.

With RTG it is down to trust. Even if an operator tells you what the payout is set to, players have to trust that they are telling the truth. A rogue operator would give the answer that would encourage players to deposit, which would likely be the wrong one.
 

debbiek

Banned User
I actually think it's a great question...the issue is if the answer is truthful. Recently I was at a land based casino in Ft. Lauderdale, FL called the ISLE. Right near their player promotion area, they had a sign there publishing their payout %. It was like 97%. That was the first time I ever saw this at a land based casino (never saw it at online casino either). By the way, the casino was crowded, I saw alot of people winning at this casino and generally having a very good time.

If you ever ask anybody at Harrah's Chester casino this question, nobody has a clue, or so they say, including their slot supervisors, etc.
 

SnowKatt

Dormant account
Lots of useful tid-bits! Thanks!

I personally would rather play nothing less than 97%. Because my over all luck stinks to begin with... lol So I need all the help I can get!

I visited a site yesterday that had a list of online casino %'s , but it wasn't very updated. And ALL the casino's listed had very high %, nothing less than 99. Which made me wonder if the site was just promoting a select few.

We are at the mercy of the casino as far as honesty and integrity when it comes to such things. And being from the USA, I already have several reasons to feel more vulnerable when it comes to online gambling.
 

SlotsWizard

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a post in Winner Screenshots looked like RTG Video Poker had the option to recycle discards
Were you asking them about this post? I was curious about it at first, but I quickly realized that the Ten of Diamonds wasn't dealt in the decision hand - it just happened to appear as a replacement card in two hands on the draw, one of which was the decision hand and the other one which hit the royal, meaning that recycling did not occur.
 

aodat2

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I'm not too sure what their % might be but it's been preety tight lately. I've not seen many people winning on their slots. Very tight is what I am guessing.

As for the percentages being displayed on Land-Based Casinos, I've seen a lot of them when I was 1st in Vegas about 15 years ago. They were crazily advertising that their slots were 110%, 105% and etc. I don't know how they actually prove that it's more than 100% payout and still be able to make money but yeah, they did advertise them like crazy previously.

Now, NOTHING is seen anywhere. No payout ratio, no signs, nothing at all. Just a slot machine waiting to take your money.


On a side note:

If I had a chance to change the % payout of a slot, I would occasionally change it to about 105% (yes I rather lose) to bring the people who chats in the forums and etc to come to my casino and experience the casino giving out money and at the same time bringing in more customers to the casino. Then after a few people win a bit of money, I would turn it back down again to gain back my money and more. I hope that's not what they are doing right now tho.
 

Zoozie

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... And when they alter the payout... Do they change the wheels, or do they magically influence the RNG?

(No need to reply, it was only ment to _look_ like a question... :D)
Spot one! This is a big mystery to me also. I believe there are factory settings. Ie. 91%, 94%, 96%. etc.

Indeed even if the reels are uniform (not weigthed) is unknown. Ie. is it a lotto/keno machine that then just use slot-reels to represent winnings? This has been discussed a lot in other threads as well.

For payout% reports I have only seen RTG reports from INetBet and now closed 49'er casino. I remember having seen them between 94% and 95%. But it is also my impression that these two RTG casino are those with highest payout%. There is a reason so few RTG casinos publish payout%.
 

RobWin

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Were you asking them about this post? I was curious about it at first, but I quickly realized that the Ten of Diamonds wasn't dealt in the decision hand - it just happened to appear as a replacement card in two hands on the draw, one of which was the decision hand and the other one which hit the royal, meaning that recycling did not occur.
I took it that SlotMonster did originally have the Ten of Diamonds dealt in the decision hand based on his post here and he said he let it go and only held the Q of D's...:confused:

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/4193-winner-screenshots-1161.html#post224380
 

bryand

Beach Bum
Hmmm...very interesting!

iNetBet assured me that these games can only have their overall payouts changed by using alternative paytables. If we assume the RNG to be sufficiently random, it is possible to calculate the percentage payouts of all the table games mathematically. Slots are a little different, iNetBet have always maintained they stick to the 95% option, and do not mess with it, this assurance was also volunteered to me today, even though the main thrust was the possibility that VP could recycle discards.
I'm confused. For slots, operators can change the payout by simply adjusting the percentage up or down or by changing the paytables? I believe that I've seen paytables change, i.e. I play the same game at the same size bet at different casinos over several days and notice the payout different for the same screen combination.
 
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