RTG Casinos

[GrandMaster]

I noticed one big difference. Since the upgrade I am unable to play BJ, the program just crashes.

 

[Freudian]

The only change we made to the latest release is when playing more than one hand at a time. As you may know our software, like all others, shuffle the shoe after each hand is completed. When playing two hands at a time you get two hands before a reshuffle (meaning you can potentially get farther into the shoe). This has the potential to give the player a slight advantage on really long draws but we felt that was statistically neglible and still allowed the casino an adequate house edge.

Therefore, RealTime Gaming has not changed the odds, the deck or the way the cards are dealt for Blackjack in any way. I haven't looked at the statistical samples posted here. Seeing comments on them, however, indicate to me that the sample set is way too low. Someone mentioned 1000 hands but that is not nearly enought to draw a conclusion. You would need a sample set in the millions to see if your "string of bad luck" is statistically sound.

I am currently out of the country but when I return I will do an internal review of a large statistical sample set from BJ across multiple licensees and post those findings here. That will likely not change anyone's mind since gamblers by their very nature tend to be superstitious. Still we will make an effort to show all of you that the game plays as it has for years.


I will be back in the office on July 5th.

You are quite correct that you need an enormous amount of hands to determine with absolute certainty if a game is rigged (unless it is rigged in Gambling Federation manner). But I am not going to give you one million hands out of my own funds to prove anything. The satisfaction of proving a game is rigged or not is worth thousands of dollars to me. Besides its is not like signs of a rigged game are undetectable until hand 1000000 and become obvious after that.

It is possible that I am everyone else posting here just has bad luck. Heck, it is the most likely explanation. But as long as it is not the only possible explanation and we have a lot of separate posters (who if you look at previous posting history is not particularly prone to hysteria and making posts whenever they lose a bit on blackjack) experiencing the same thing, it is a problem.

And of course the logical question is why I and the other posters should desposit money at casinos that has a software that gives us horrible luck for the last month or so.

 

[Wagerjunction]

Wil be Requesting Further Info from RTg

After i was alerted re the post in the forum i thought that i would add that i will be taking this up (have done so ) with RTG requesting a full explanation from them.I recently played on another RTG Casino not part of my group as is my wont to check out the opposition and deposited $50 and managed to play for quite some time .I will get the logs and post them here for all of you to view.

My impression from that game play is that i cannot at first glance pick up anything unusual but then Video Poker is my game really.

I will be back with the Logs for that game play

Regards

 

[Wagerjunction]

More Feedabck from Greg at Grand Aces and Geisha

I thought i would let you guys know that i am having an extreme amount of difficulty getting my play logs as apparently i have 2 accounts,.this did not prevent them from taking my money however.

I have instructed all of my Call Centre staff to provide any and all gameplay information to members who require this information .

Have a great day all

:notworthy

 

[bethug]

Grandaces, i like your style, i personal dont seen nothing wrong with rtg casino, i took one of the biggest hit this week at a rtg casino lost over 900 bucks. You cant win all the time.

 

[eek]

An interesting thread but theres the same old deja vu as regards randomness.

Until the players have a decent utility for recording gameplay like the truegambler-client or the cipher-client then we will have the usual speculation and squabbling.

Thats a useful looking bit of kit btw Cipher, players will pay hard cash for that sort of thing.

 

[cipher]

An interesting thread but theres the same old deja vu as regards randomness.

Until the players have a decent utility for recording gameplay like the truegambler-client or the cipher-client then we will have the usual speculation and squabbling.

Thats a useful looking bit of kit btw Cipher, players will pay hard cash for that sort of thing.

You're quite right eek and I can tell you that there has been some pretty meaningful dialogue taking place recently whereas there is a pretty good chance that Cipher may very well be incorporated into some of the Casinos software. After all if there's nothing to hide the Cipher program can't hurt anything and in fact it could be a very beneficial tool for the casinos in being able to assure their customer base that they are not ashamed of the product that they are putting out. Have a good one.

 

[jpm]

Wow, that's great Cipher! Please keep us posted about this as soon as you're able to.

 

[summertime]

RTG vs CasinoOnNet/Reef Club

This is my first post and I am a novice online player, so please be kind. Having tried about 10 casinos, I find that I love CasinoOnNet's play environment. However, I've deposited five times and lost it all five times. It seems when life is good, the dealer suddenly wins 10X in a row. This led me to these forums, looking for the software that is most fair. I'll stay away from RTG. Cryptologic and Boss software come recommended, but still, I love the CasinoOnNet the best. Does anyone know anything about their software? Has anyone ever won a large sum from them? I'd dying to deposit again, but am feeling like I may be dumb, dumb,dumb to do it. Thanks in advance - Summer(time)

 

[summertime]

Oops

I meant for BlackJack only. thanks-

 

[Stanford]

Hi Pooter; Thanks for your interest. Myself and another individual co-wrote the Cipher program some six years ago now and I've used it ever sense. We are currently re-writing Cipher in .net and I'll let you know when its finished.
Have a good one.

I also have an interest. I have been watching your post ever since a rather interesting post you made at SpearMaster about your statistics. That was a pretty long time ago.

Stanford

 

[cipher]

RTG Cipher strand OF 7-05-04. Note the balance of wins (green blocks) vs losses (red blocks) up and until line 40 and then it goes into what I call a clear-out of eight house wins in a row and then things start to settle down again.

 

[chuckn]

Very bad luck?? I also have noticed this with bj and pontoon... dealer face up bj seemed to play better.

hit 12 get a 10... split aces get 2 or 3... also dealer pulls 21 when showing 5 or 6, esp. when I double or split when very good player hands, etc.

JOB vp seems very kind... 2 RF within a week a month or so ago. Lots of fh and 4okind

CON bj seems much more random.

YMMV

Chuck

 

[cipher]

Attached is a Cipher strand for RTG play from this morning. Have a good one.

 

[cipher]

Well I've got to admit that it's been awhile since I've seen an RTG casino yield 10 wins in a row. Attached is a Cipher strand from my play this morning at The Phoenician. Have a good one.

 

[caruso]

Cryptologic and Boss software come recommended...

LOL, by whom? Boss? Boss ranks along with Playtech as the worst software out there as far as myself and not a few others are concerned.

I love the CasinoOnNet the best. Has anyone ever won a large sum from them?

007?

 

[bethug]

caruso, i think they flip the switch back at boss, winning all over the place

 

[bewitch]

You're quite right eek and I can tell you that there has been some pretty meaningful dialogue taking place recently whereas there is a pretty good chance that Cipher may very well be incorporated into some of the Casinos software. After all if there's nothing to hide the Cipher program can't hurt anything and in fact it could be a very beneficial tool for the casinos in being able to assure their customer base that they are not ashamed of the product that they are putting out. Have a good one.

Ciper, I am totally idiot about the software and I know people will pay big buck for this software. Maybe you can make a nice profit on it. NOW I have to be a cheap housewife here. Don't forget you promise to send me one.

Just kidding. Please take good care of yourself first. Hope you will visit the golf course soon! Enjoy the beautiful sunny California~

 

[cipher]

Ciper, I am totally idiot about the software and I know people will pay big buck for this software. Maybe you can make a nice profit on it. NOW I have to be a cheap housewife here. Don't forget you promise to send me one.

Just kidding. Please take good care of yourself first. Hope you will visit the golf course soon! Enjoy the beautiful sunny California~

Hi Bewitch;

A deal is a deal. You'll have it soon. All the best to you and yours as well.

 

[GrandMaster]

Does this software record the cards automatically like the OCA, or does it process play logs you get from the casino?

 

[bewitch]

Hi Bewitch;

A deal is a deal. You'll have it soon. All the best to you and yours as well.

I am just teasing here. Really hope you will make a fortune on it! I know you are a very nice gentleman. And I wish the best for you as well. I am not a big player as most of you. It's more fun to read the posts everyday! Nice entertainment.

Take care!

 

[cipher]

Does this software record the cards automatically like the OCA, or does it process play logs you get from the casino?

Hi Grand Master, The card values are recorded manually for each hand through the user interface and that data is available to the player for reference in realtime at any given point in the session.

At the end of a session (regardless of length) all data is automatically compiled for future reference such as sending, merging and/or printing.

 

[Wagerjunction]

Blackjack and my Logs

Coming back to my previous post,i eventually got a hold of the logs from the Casino and in this regard i think that it was just the training that the staff received and not the Casino policy that caused me difficulty in getting them in the first place.There is no doubt that thiis type of behaviour can cause suspicion and i will speak to my good friends there to tell them about the experience that i had with regards to this.I will not name the Casino ever as i hope that i am above that kind of tactic.

My game play and my subsequent findings in relation to the BJ game play on my Casinos lead me to believe as per the other RTG Casinos that have posted here that there is nothing happening out of the ordinary.Others may read more into the situation but you will get that at all times when money is involved.

There where times when the Casino seemed incredibly lucky, but that has happened to me in Vegas on the BJ tables as well ,and i also had lucky streaks.Over all after speaking to RTG and looking at the facts on my Casinos i can only assume that everything is functioning perfectly.

There will always be people who are ready to stoke up the fires re RTG and in past times they might have had a point ,there is now however a new breed of RTG Casino that is determined to raise the stakes so to speak and provide competition to the other major software companies.

I myself am quite happy with what RTG have done in the last few months and look forward to better things with them in the very near future,

Have a great day guys

Regards
Greg

 

[lanidar]

I clicked on the attachment. I does NOT open. Am I doing something wrong?

 

[cipher]

I clicked on the attachment. I does NOT open. Am I doing something wrong?

It appears as though Geisha's zip file is in Excel and you'll need to have Excel on your computer to open it.