RTG Casinos

[Black21Jack]

I am a big fan of RTG casinos, as some of you may know from other posts I have in this forum. All RTG casinos have changed the software to a newer version recently with a few changes including multihand blackjack (only iNetBet I think), a mini game option to play a mini slot in the corner while playing other games, and some other minor graphics changes. My point is that ever since they changed to this software something seems really strange about the Blackjack gameplay. I find it impossible to win anything now, no matter what casino I play in. I have been doing tests and I feel (my opinion) that the software has definitely changed. You can also get this by playing in fun mode. Has anyone else noticed a change for the worse in the RTG casinos? I am just posting what I have noticed in my play, and I am definitely not basing this on any kind of calculations or anything like that. I have also noticed that the dealer gets a lot BJ's, and 21 totals. It is the same at all other RTG's I play (10 in total). Any experiences please.

 

[bethug]

bodog, had it first then inetbet casinos, i agree with you. The black jack seem a little differnent. but with that new bodog software i won a few thousand. May i am not use to be able to play more than one hand?

i also got blown out of intercasno, with out winning one hand out of 22.

 

[Freudian]

I am a big fan of RTG casinos, as some of you may know from other posts I have in this forum. All RTG casinos have changed the software to a newer version recently with a few changes including multihand blackjack (only iNetBet I think), a mini game option to play a mini slot in the corner while playing other games, and some other minor graphics changes. My point is that ever since they changed to this software something seems really strange about the Blackjack gameplay. I find it impossible to win anything now, no matter what casino I play in. I have been doing tests and I feel (my opinion) that the software has definitely changed. You can also get this by playing in fun mode. Has anyone else noticed a change for the worse in the RTG casinos? I am just posting what I have noticed in my play, and I am definitely not basing this on any kind of calculations or anything like that. I have also noticed that the dealer gets a lot BJ's, and 21 totals. It is the same at all other RTG's I play (10 in total). Any experiences please.

I played at Betnetclub, and I had the weirdest game of Blackjack. It seemed the Dealer couldn't bust. I had a very uneasy feeling and when my withdrawal is done I will request my logs. It played a very very strange game of blackjack. It seemed the number of high cards when the dealer was in a position to bust was very low. Much lower than just random distribution of chance. And I am not prone to hysteria. I have had bad beats in BJ before. But I have never felt anything like this, even when running bad.

Meanwhile, some other RTG casinos seems kosher to me, like Nostalgia.

 

[Black21Jack]

I played at Betnetclub, and I had the weirdest game of Blackjack. It seemed the Dealer couldn't bust. I had a very uneasy feeling and when my withdrawal is done I will request my logs. It played a very very strange game of blackjack. It seemed the number of high cards when the dealer was in a position to bust was very low. Much lower than just random distribution of chance. And I am not prone to hysteria. I have had bad beats in BJ before. But I have never felt anything like this, even when running bad.

Meanwhile, some other RTG casinos seems kosher to me, like Nostalgia.

Thats exactly what happens when I play, really weird. I have been playing Nostalgia, Leopard Rock, InetBet, Phoenician, Sunset Palace, Crown vegas, Sci Fi, Breakaway, and Gold Circle, and they all have been playing the same way. This is really disappointing considering that RTG was the best in my opinion, it seemed really fair but I will not jump to conclusions until I have more opinions and I will play more. One other thing i noticed is that when I have a 20, 19 if the dealer does not have BJ it's almost always a push. Or if I do get 21 it's a push.

 

[rayharold]

Rtg

I agree with the previous posts about Blackjack and RTG. I have noticed a considerable change in the RTG casinos I am currently playing. It is almost impossible to win.

 

[pokeraddict]

Well its nice to know I am not the only one that has been having mind boggling dealer suck outs over and over.

Maybe it is time to rethink my RTG places,

 

[Black21Jack]

Well its nice to know I am not the only one that has been having mind boggling dealer suck outs over and over.

Maybe it is time to rethink my RTG places,

How long has this been happening? was it always like that for you, or just since they changed the software? I used to love RTG, but its just recently for me.

 

[pokeraddict]

since they offered a second bet hand (that i do not touch) and the rebet option. Dealer getting several drawn out 21's in a row and virtually never bust. I am not a conspiracy theorist usually but it seemed odd software changed and the last 4 sessions I went bust way before I should have mathematically and was only up once.

Still of course noone really has proof, could just be a bad run. I have spanked the old RTG and been spanked back.

 

[Ping]

Why would you people play RTG, when you can play with LIVE online casinos?

Just wondering?




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[bethug]

tried 4 low depoist, out of the 4 one good run. The second depoist had 3 black jack i a row, after that lost 8 hands in row. Cant really say either way. Worked 30 bucks into 440 the last run.
I mainly have to get use to makeing two bets , instead of one. I will try again tomm

 

[Black21Jack]

since they offered a second bet hand (that i do not touch) and the rebet option. Dealer getting several drawn out 21's in a row and virtually never bust. I am not a conspiracy theorist usually but it seemed odd software changed and the last 4 sessions I went bust way before I should have mathematically and was only up once.

Still of course noone really has proof, could just be a bad run. I have spanked the old RTG and been spanked back.

Exactly as I noted, as soon as they added the new rebet.

 

[Black21Jack]

Why would you people play RTG, when you can play with LIVE online casinos?

Just wondering?




Ping

Because as I told you, I think they are crap. I have a high speed connection and it is still horrible. I will never play a live casino again. If they were so great as you think, dont' you think the idea would have taken off? I don't know anyone who enjoys the gameplay at these live casinos except you. Maybe some do, but I hate them.

 

[pooter1]

Their blackjack really has sucked since the new software. I dont have any proof positive - dealer won this many and I lost this many stats, But I think something isnt kosher.

I have had way more than usual pushes on 21 and dealer blackjacks to my 20. It seems that dealer gets dealt low cards(2's 3's aces) if he has to draw and you get high cards if you draw (except on double downs where you get 2's and aces ).

Even had a dealer pull out a 7 card 18 to win over my 17. And a lot more 5 and 6 card 21's/20's to beat me. When is the last time you could pull 7 cards without busting?

Also had it push my hand 4 times in a row. wich is something I have never had happen before in my limited exp.

 

[cipher]

I am a big fan of RTG casinos, as some of you may know from other posts I have in this forum. All RTG casinos have changed the software to a newer version recently with a few changes including multihand blackjack (only iNetBet I think), a mini game option to play a mini slot in the corner while playing other games, and some other minor graphics changes. My point is that ever since they changed to this software something seems really strange about the Blackjack gameplay. I find it impossible to win anything now, no matter what casino I play in. I have been doing tests and I feel (my opinion) that the software has definitely changed. You can also get this by playing in fun mode. Has anyone else noticed a change for the worse in the RTG casinos? I am just posting what I have noticed in my play, and I am definitely not basing this on any kind of calculations or anything like that. I have also noticed that the dealer gets a lot BJ's, and 21 totals. It is the same at all other RTG's I play (10 in total). Any experiences please.

Well I just ran a session of Phoenician free play and it dosen't appear as though it's much off from where it should be dollar wise and win loss ratio.

I have encountered pretty much the same things that you've mentioned and I'll probably take a look at a real play session in the morning. I've attached the data incident to my free play session hereto. Have a good one.

 

[Black21Jack]

Well after giving over $3000.00 to various RTG casino's I played, and played, and played in fun mode, perfect basic strategy just playing and I cannot get up. The play is just rediculous. I have never seen the dealer get that many BJ's, 20's and 21's. The push on every good hand that I have is unbelievable. I can't believe they would start doing this (it is just an opinion, but I am pretty sure) they had a player for life, and have now blown it. Do they really think that players are that stupid that they would not notice a change? Im going to keep playing in the hopes that I am wrong because I loved RTG so much.

 

[Ping]

Because as I told you, I think they are crap. I have a high speed connection and it is still horrible. I will never play a live casino again. If they were so great as you think, dont' you think the idea would have taken off? I don't know anyone who enjoys the gameplay at these live casinos except you. Maybe some do, but I hate them.

I do have access to high speed DSL (about 512Mbps), and LIVE CASINO looks fine to me, at least at DrHo888.com. I am not sure about others, but I have tried Masterspin, and I have to agree with you, even with good connection, it sure looks a bit "crap", as you put it.

I am not a BIG gambler, as maybe most of you guys here. but what I am saying is between playing against a RNG and a LIVE online casino, I would play at a LIVE one, anytime, anyday ... of course, nothing will ever replace the experience and fun of a land based casino (but that's another story ... )



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[sw2003]

I also do not like live casinos. They are too slow. Who wants to watch dealer shuffles cards, deals out hands, collects bets and distributes winnings.

The only reason that anyone would want to play at a live casino is the opportunity to count cards. Otherwise I have to ask, why do you enjoy playing
a slow game? You cannot get the casino atmosphere because you are not
physically there period.

 

[mucullus]

It seems that dealer gets dealt low cards(2's 3's aces) if he has to draw and you get high cards if you draw (except on double downs where you get 2's and aces ).

I can confirm this. Have a look at the screenshot, that happened quite often... (even in FUN mode!)

 

[cipher]

I can confirm this. Have a look at the screenshot, that happened quite often... (even in FUN mode!)

I've got to admit that you don't see 8 cards to a 20 very often.

 

[jpm]

I've got to admit that you don't see 8 cards to a 20 very often.

Especially not with 4 deuces in a row in the middle of it! Good lord, I hope you left after that hand. That's a major hint from the gambling gods that it is not your night.

Looks to me like the invincible dealer who was fired from microgaming has found a new home at RTG!

 

[m249a]

I simply gave up...I have been playing at land based and online for long enough to know the diffrence between a bad run and....dare I say it a rigged game...I have even played at less then reputable "under-ground" casinos and have seen better odds then I have lately @ RTG. The sheer number of high pushes and 20-21 wins from the house is ABSURD. I had only 3 accounts at various rtg joints, which are now closed. There is a diffrence, between a bad run and when the odds are clearly stacked against you. House edge or not, I have enough experience with blackjack to know that it is a BAD situation. I got a feeling some more players will be voicing similar experiences soon.

 

[cipher]

How long has this been happening? was it always like that for you, or just since they changed the software? I used to love RTG, but its just recently for me.

From tha data strips that I've reviewed so far it goes back to around the 4th or 5th of this month.

 

[caruso]

I've played hardly any RTG all month. What I have played has been high stakes and successful.

However, whenever I read praise for certain software types, and even when I mete it out myself, I feel a twinge. When is the PERFECT time to introduce a fix? Clearly, when player feedback is so positive that any criticism or accusations about unfair gameplay are liable to be dismissed out of hand based on players' positive past experience. I'm always waiting for this. We know the kind of people who are behind RTG, and I wouldn't put this past them for a second.

Players should always stay VERY alert on ALL matters of gamplay on ALL software types. The perfect time to stick the fix in is when players least expect it - and RTG feedback has been positive for a long time now.

NEVER be complacent, and NEVER buy bullshit "regulatory" statements, however honest and up-and-up you naively believe the issuer to be. It's your money, you have a responsibility to protect it and you can be damn sure nobody on the other side will.

 

[Black21Jack]

I've played hardly any RTG all month. What I have played has been high stakes and successful.

However, whenever I read praise for certain software types, and even when I mete it out myself, I feel a twinge. When is the PERFECT time to introduce a fix? Clearly, when player feedback is so positive that any criticism or accusations about unfair gameplay are liable to be dismissed out of hand based on players' positive past experience. I'm always waiting for this. We know the kind of people who are behind RTG, and I wouldn't put this past them for a second.

Players should always stay VERY alert on ALL matters of gamplay on ALL software types. The perfect time to stick the fix in is when players least expect it - and RTG feedback has been positive for a long time now.

NEVER be complacent, and NEVER buy bullshit "regulatory" statements, however honest and up-and-up you naively believe the issuer to be. It's your money, you have a responsibility to protect it and you can be damn sure nobody on the other side will.

I am very concerned about this especially if the individual casinos know that RTG has done this. I know a lot of RTG casinos are bad, but the few that are good namely from the Phoenician Group which has always been fair in paying, with customer service response, and they just seemed to be a very reputable group. I would always stand up for them and even promote them without being an affiliate. I wish the manager from Phoenician, or iNet or any other RTG would respond to this thread. From the posted experiences that this thread has generated it is not looking good for RTG casinos. It is sad.

 

[cipher]

I am very concerned about this especially if the individual casinos know that RTG has done this. I know a lot of RTG casinos are bad, but the few that are good namely from the Phoenician Group which has always been fair in paying, with customer service response, and they just seemed to be a very reputable group. I would always stand up for them and even promote them without being an affiliate. I wish the manager from Phoenician, or iNet or any other RTG would respond to this thread. From the posted experiences that this thread has generated it is not looking good for RTG casinos. It is sad.

I can tell you for sure that if there is anything untoward going on with the Random Number Generator at RTG, Dean Micheals at the Pheonician Casino will come down on Michael Staw and Realtime Gaming like a ton of bricks.

Having said that I've attached a Real Money session at the Phoenician from last night but I think I labled it as 6-24-04 instead of 6-23-04 as it should be.

Just to give you a sample, out of 64 hands played:

Dealer draws multi-card 21 against 19
Dealer draws multi-card 21 against 19
Dealer draws multi-card 21 against successful double down 21
Push on Blackjack
Dealer draws multi-card 21 against 18
Push on Blackjack
Dealer draws multi-card 21 against 20
Dealer draws multi-card 21 against 20

But the thing that bothers me more than anything is the multiple wins with a 12 to 3 ratio in favor of the house.

Last is the amount of what I refer to as "one and done wins" whereas the player has recorded 11 single wins versus the house having recorded only 3.

The winning clumps for the house are 3-8-2-2-3-3-3-6-2-3-4-2

The clumps for the player are 2-4-3

I know what I feel about numbers like this but I'll let everyone else form their own opinion.

I'll be posting another free play session recorded this morning in a while.