RTG 100% guaranteed strategy but is it abuse?

NewOrleans

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Greetings,I would like to share my RTG casino strategy which is 100% guaranteed.

It is not a betting system,it is something unique.
First I claim a bonus of 200$ on a 200$ deposit = 400$

I go on frozen assets slot and collect 199 snow flakes but I don't hit it yet.
On the minimum 5cent/spin the jackpot will pay 30-35$ on average but will take about 30-45$ to bring the snow flake jackpot to 199 then i stop,I just guaranteed myself 35$ and I don't care if it took 45$ because that was free chips I used :) then I up the coin to 25cent this jackpot will pay 200$ and takes about 200$ to bring it up to 199 snow flakes. I just guaranteed my deposit plus made 35$ guaranteed so that is 200+35$ and cost me about 235$ some say this is stupid because you end up even,so that is why I stop at 197-199 snow flakes.So I have about 150-200 left,then I go on another "bankable" slot which pays guaranteed after you collect 50 safe dials this is called the big heist.Once again I stop when I get 47-49 safe dials meaning one more and the jackpot will pay guaranteed. Then I go on video slots and wait until I get free spins and exit the game :) cashing in on those free spins would only add to a non cashable balance.Then there is super goldmine where you can collect 100 dynamite icons and get a guaranteed jackpot so i stop at 97-99 dynamite icons...

After I collect way more than my original deposit I keep collecting free spins and exiting the game.Once you zero out guess what?You are no longer tied to the bonus,so now that you have zero go back to the slots where you had free spins and collect :) once you have cash again go back to the frozen assets and collect your 35$ then use that 35$ to spin 1 snow flake and boom u got another 200$ then go on the big heist and collect your 10-40$ then go on super gold mine deluxe or whatever its called and get a few dynamite icons(usually 1 spin does it) collect that jackpot too then go back and collect the rest of the free spins you kept.

You started with 200$ cash +200$ bonus and guaranteed yourself 200$+35$+10-40$ +free spins + super goldmine deluxe
Its a lot of work and I am wondering if this is abuse...It is after all guaranteed :) Even if you are still tied to the bonus after you zero out well guess what...Just make a minimum deposit and don't claim a bonus :)

Does anyone know if this is bonus abuse?
 

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Here is another RTG slot strategy that is 100% guaranteed.
Take large deposit bonus (200%+) and wager a little higher than you normally would, perhaps double.
Increase you balance by 3 or 4 hundred percent maybe more by hitting copious features,retriggers and 5 of a kinds.
Get to about half way through your WR and then lose until broke hitting no 5of kinds, very few features and no retriggers. :thumbsup:
You can repeat this as many times as you like and RTG have never once claimed bonus abuse, infact they throw bonuses at you just like my friends Rival ;)
 

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Yes NewOrleans, this is an advanced strategy that advantage players use to secure a profit. Do you realize that it is not smart to post such strategy on open forums?
 

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This is pretty much exactly what an "exploit" is to the hacking world; so of course it's abuse....when you employ it.

Do you realize that there are many RTG reps that frequent the forum?
 

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Abuse Aschmuse! That posting was not a bad idea? i'd much rather have it in the open or than get a schmuck answer from CS that I am a bonus abuser!

There are a 100 ways of playing the slots, and the casino sure as hell "abuses" me as much as they can by dodgy rules - why the heck should't we abuse a little back whith whats left of the options? We are not retards! They throw playthrough, what games to wager at and whatever they come up with not to pay us. You wagered to high, you wagered to low! What's up with this bonus abuse! Surely we do what we can do with the few options left if we really would like to make a buck from the deposit (you might call it bonus, however it's a deposit with some extra money attached).

To the casinos that might see this as bonus abuse - grow up and remove slots that you might consider abusive all together or shut up! And to you other people in here - you grow up to - it's not like it's a state secret when you think og it! The slot's are there, and there should not be ways that are not legal in playing at them!

We are not supposed to play smart with bonuses, but play as idiots and flatbet at $5 - well heidi-hoo - been there done that and won't do that again my friends!

So NewOrleans, is it bonus abuse? I would not think so, it's only smart wagering - planning ahead. However - I am pretty sure some casino would classify it as such - which is stupid since their bonuses are LOOOOW compared what you deposit in the long run so I do not see a problem.

How on earth am I gonna scam a casino for $50? Do I even care for that money? The whole bonus abuse really stinks to high heaven if you ask me, put the money where your mouth it! You offer a bonus - you give a bonus - that simple!
 

vinylweatherman

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Frozen Assets

Well, now your assets are well and truly frozen:rolleyes:. If this is now in the public domain, then so many players will try it that it will swiftly become such a big issue that RTG casinos will start looking for it, and mitigating against it.

RTG casinos with persistent big bonuses are the ones likely to be hit, and this includes all the Virtual casinos, who have known about this for ages, and have a term that gives them the right to remove all "snowflakes" that have been accumulated with play while a bonus is active on the account.

The simplest remedy is for these games to be specifically excluded from bonus wagering under the terms and conditions, which would clear the way for such bets to be voided. Noticing it is a different matter altogether though, they have to know what they have to be looking for, and until now, this was not something most RTG casinos WERE looking for, with their main attention turned to "doubling up" on games such as Roulette and Blackjack, with grinding out of WR on other games.

RTG may well remove these games now, and avoid the problem altogether.
If you ONLY play these games, and keep on winning over the medium to long term, you will get an account audit anyway. Compared to the more recent slot games, these old slots are a bit boring, and are probably still around for continuity.
 

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I'm still shaking my head that people run around to a dozen different games lining up bonus rounds, making notations, logging in and out of games....all to make a few bucks. Whatever floats your boat I guess, but honestly, I just couldn't be bothered. Sort of takes the fun out of playing.
 

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I'm still shaking my head that people run around to a dozen different games lining up bonus rounds, making notations, logging in and out of games....all to make a few bucks. Whatever floats your boat I guess, but honestly, I just couldn't be bothered. Sort of takes the fun out of playing.
Me too! :thumbsup:
I have known for years that there are mathematical ways to play bonuses to virtually guarantee escaping with your deposit & a tiny proportion of the bonus - but where's the fun in that?
I'm a gambler - I like gambling!

(It's just that I don't like losing too much - so I don't! :rolleyes:)
 

vinylweatherman

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Me too! :thumbsup:
I have known for years that there are mathematical ways to play bonuses to virtually guarantee escaping with your deposit & a tiny proportion of the bonus - but where's the fun in that?
I'm a gambler - I like gambling!

(It's just that I don't like losing too much - so I don't! :rolleyes:)


Correction:D

I have known for years that there are mathematical ways to play bonuses to virtually guarantee escaping with your deposit, and a big argument over payment of winnings.

Come off it KK, you have all those spreadsheets giving your sessions in almost pedantic detail.:p

The only difference between you and most advantage players is that your methods do not rely on mathematical trickery, but strategy.

It is the fault of RTG for designing such a unique game where not only do you know EXACTLY what your bonus round will pay out, but can manipulate it such that you can virtually guarantee it's payment in the next dozen spins.

The other games are far less "abusive", Super Diamond Mine, for example, can give you nothing at all for the bonus round, despite what may have been pumped into the game.

I have not seen a game like it anywhere else, but the nearest is Microgaming's "Chief's Fortune" slot, where again the bonus payout is never zero, and can be predicted fairly closely. Many MG casinos got rid of this game when it was heavily scammed in 2006, and there is no reason for RTG not to do the same by getting rid of the worst offender, Frozen Assets.
Microgaming introduced another though, Tomb Raider II, however it is possible to get zero payout from the passport bonus, and it is very hard to predict when the last passport will fall - sometimes it can take hundreds of spins for the last one, and it can all be for nothing.

RTG operators must know about the Frozen Assets vulnerability, Virtual Danny did ages ago - if it becomes a problem, it will be fixed. It will now become a problem since the strategy has been posted in great detail bar one mistake, in that you should stop at 197 snowflakes, as it is possible to hit the bonus early when going for 199 by getting 3 in a winline:p
 

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Microgaming introduced another though, Tomb Raider II, however it is possible to get zero payout from the passport bonus, and it is very hard to predict when the last passport will fall - sometimes it can take hundreds of spins for the last one, and it can all be for nothing.

That is true, but if you read the fine print, it says that the pays are based on your average bet....

But, how do they average it? From the time you get your first passport? From when you last logged in? The last time you loaded the game? Interesting :D
 

vinylweatherman

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That is true, but if you read the fine print, it says that the pays are based on your average bet....

But, how do they average it? From the time you get your first passport? From when you last logged in? The last time you loaded the game? Interesting :D

It is the same with Frozen Assets. You cannot gather 197 snowflakes at 5c, and suddenly go to $5 to empty out the snowman (it takes you to a different machine).

With TRII, the payout is unknown, unlike Frozen Assets, and it can be average bet times ZERO!

How this average is calculated may be exploitable, but who knows, and if done properly, there should be no exploit that gives an overall advantage, although it may well look like it from time to time to the player.
 

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It is the same with Frozen Assets. You cannot gather 197 snowflakes at 5c, and suddenly go to $5 to empty out the snowman (it takes you to a different machine).

With TRII, the payout is unknown, unlike Frozen Assets, and it can be average bet times ZERO!

How this average is calculated may be exploitable, but who knows, and if done properly, there should be no exploit that gives an overall advantage, although it may well look like it from time to time to the player.

When TR2 first came out, I remember seeing a SS of something like $7xx.....and their bet size was .01 - .01x1 line! It was in play mode, but I'm sure it'd be the same as real.
 

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When TR2 first came out, I remember seeing a SS of something like $7xx.....and their bet size was .01 - .01x1 line! It was in play mode, but I'm sure it'd be the same as real.

The average on the passports are supposedly from the betsize you triggered them.
This is my understanding of how it works:-

From the last Global Bonus (or from when you played the slot for the very first time) to the time the bonus is triggered, all your total wagers are added up and the potential prizes you can win in the GB are proportional to that figure.

i.e. It makes no difference what you're betting when you get the 5th passport (it could even be 1c on 1 line), the potential payout is still based on ALL your bets since the last bonus.

I've been playing TR2 every day this month for the Lads scratchies: here's some stats!

Got to the end 3-times (collected 5 bits of sword):-
1. Spins: 318, Wagered: 197, Won: 63.27
Loc 1: Sword! (7.72)
Loc 2: Trap, prize, Sword! (10.80)
Loc 3: Trap, Sword! (9.26)
Loc 4: Prize, Sword! (6.95)
Loc 5: Prize, Sword! (13.11)

2. Spins: 212, Wagered: 234, Won: 118.16
Loc 1: Prize, Sword! (26.09)
Loc 2: Prize, Sword! (23.02)
Loc 3: Sword! (7.67…. WTF???)
Loc 4: Sword! (15.35)
Loc 5: Trap, prize, prize Sword! (15.34)
Bonus = 30.69

3. Spins: 435, Wagered: 301, Won: 71.86
Loc 1: Prize, Sword! (11.15)
Loc 2: Trap, prize, prize, prize…. TRAP! … But… Fight = WIN! (8.77)
Loc 3: Trap, Sword! (9.56)
Loc 4: Prize, Sword! (10.35)
Loc 5: Sword! (7.96)
Bonus = 23.89

I don't know what this tells you - but I hope it's vaguely useful!

So far I have done 3,112 spins & got the GB 12 times = average 259 spins between each. If this slot is truly random like the other MG ones, that means the reels must have something like 260 symbols each!!! :eek:

In 4 of those 12 bonuses I have got 'killed' in the first location - including the last 3 in a row! This is a real bummer because I was doing pretty well for the month until now... :mad:
(I'm still ahead though ;))

KK
 

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Let me clarify since there seems to be confusion in the land of confusion, :D

According to what my eyes was reading in the rulespage of the game, the win is accoring to you wagering at the time you collect the passports.

Lets assume some spins, since I get the feeling you do not see this.

0.01 spin
0.01 spin
0.05 spin
0.15 spin
0.30 spin
0.60 spin
0.90 spin, collect passport
3.00 spin
3.00 spin
3.00 spin, collect passport

Let's assume the above bets, and two collected passports. The passports are collected at 0.9 + 3 = 3,9 bet total.

This means:
If you are really lucky (we are to believe) and get the passports at high wager, and do all the spins in between for nothing, you will have the chance to get rich! (I promise you however it wlil not work, it will take endless spins as you start upping the bet, OR - you pick TRAP TRAP TRAP). Atleast this was my prize for managing a pretty succesfull version of the tactics mentioned.

The more you loose the bigger the win is my opinion!

But then again, why do the wins in the bonus game perform so differently? I collected all swords on $3 - $6 wagers once (never again!), and I won like $50 or so, I collected a few before the traps however the wins were very small! Then I had a bonus at $0.5 - $0.75 and I won over $200!

YEEEiii....

Todays lesson: why bet above $1?
 

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Sorry this thread is totally derailed now! Maybe a Mod could split it out...?

Let me clarify since there seems to be confusion in the land of confusion, :D

According to what my eyes was reading in the rulespage of the game, the win is accoring to you wagering at the time you collect the passports.
Where are you reading those rules? :confused:

I just checked the rules again via a casino and found that I was slightly wrong too - the bets only count after getting the first passport:-
* All random bonus win amounts displayed in the Global Adventure bonus game are already multiplied by your weighted average bet.

* The weighted average bet is calculated from the time the first Passport symbol is displayed on the center position of a reel to activate the reel, until the Global Adventure bonus game is finally activated. Only the bonus win amount is displayed.

A lot depends on your interpretation of "weighted average bet" - but to me it means your average bet over all the spins between the first & last passport. That is what the above says to me.

One thing this does indicate is that you may as well bet only 1c/line until you get the first passort...!

KK
 

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A lot depends on your interpretation of "weighted average bet" - but to me it means your average bet over all the spins between the first & last passport. That is what the above says to me.

OK, so to be perfectly clear - this machine DO have a memory of what you have wagered when you get to the bonus... This slot in plain view states that the bonus win is balanced from your previous play... Now that should be interesting!

Anyway, enough slots for today! Just had 1000+ spins of 85% payut, yeejjj... I am still waiting for that day when I can win again... Atleast 85% is better than 75%... Guess I should have withdawed when winning $40 on break da bank... (When I think of it, I should have stopped and continued depositing in another casino really, darn!)
 

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Can somebody nudge me awake when the stat crap is over? :D

It's all well and good to have a strategy for playing at a casino, but unless you want to be labeled a bonus abuser it might be best to keep it to yourself. JMO.

Have you noticed the added wording to T&Cs about "playing in the spirit it was intended" i.e., enjoyment? If you are trying to make a living from casino strategies, you may be treading on ground the casinos have already claimed for themselves. And it may very well piss them off. :D
 

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Nominate my post for an award I completely risked my ass by posting this :)
For anyone wondering what NewOrleans is on about - this is a new feature which is coming soon. Bryan was doing some 'playing around' with it earlier today and for a short time there was a "nominate post" icon bottom right.

Stay tuned for more info!
:thumbsup:
 

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A lot depends on your interpretation of "weighted average bet" - but to me it means your average bet over all the spins between the first & last passport. That is what the above says to me.

One thing this does indicate is that you may as well bet only 1c/line until you get the first passort...!

KK

Actually one strategy could be to bet 1c/1 line until collecting 4 passports and bet normally between 4th and 5th passports to bring the average bet size up. If you get first 4 passports quickly, then the average bet size will be almost the same as the bet size you use between 4th and 5th passports.
 
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