Rogue casinos and the UKGC

danofthewibble

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Here's a thing. We know the UKGC can do nothing about rogue casinos. Not their jurisdiction, not their laws.

What the government COULD do is heavily educate people. Take a pause from tightening the rules for the genuine and licensed sites. Start a nationwide advertising campaign online and on TV, radio and in the newspapers. Explain what to look for when you gamble online.

"Look for the Gambling Commission logo. Click it. We will tell you if the site is safe and you are protected."

The problem right now is the rogues are advertising at the most heavy rate I have seen in years; SMS and email spam is through the roof. And the UKGC is powerless to stop that. So they should be using their powers to educate the scammers out of the market.

You're only a mark if you don't know how to spot the scam.
 
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Slottery

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You sure it don't have negative effect that more people who haven't gamble online would start to do it? There are all the time numbers around how much gambling creates harm and how many problem gamblers are in UK, so not really sure they would be happy to promote it at all.

Most who play in these rogue casinos, will learn they lesson, often in quite short time. Gamstop excluded players don't really have a choice if they want to continue gambling with their addiction.

Would just assume that it potentially would increase online gambling in general if you promote it in TV or other places reach loads of people.
 

danofthewibble

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You make the ads clear - you play at those sites, you will lose. You will not see your winnings. Your bank will not help you. You will not get paid.

There's always a risk people will use those sites to get around the rules, but over the last few days it's clearly the case that people are falling for the ads. People are bored, spending more and being less cautious.
 

brianmon

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You sure it don't have negative effect that more people who haven't gamble online would start to do it? There are all the time numbers around how much gambling creates harm and how many problem gamblers are in UK, so not really sure they would be happy to promote it at all.

Most who play in these rogue casinos, will learn they lesson, often in quite short time. Gamstop excluded players don't really have a choice if they want to continue gambling with their addiction.

Would just assume that it potentially would increase online gambling in general if you promote it in TV or other places reach loads of people.
I can't see it encouraging more people to play. In fact, it's probably much less of an encouragement than the advertisements seen on Tv and the media from 'genuine' casinos, who advertise extra enticements such as sign up bonuses
 

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Which kind of budget organization like UKGC would be happy to throw to warn people not to do stupid things? Just my opinion but government can't really hold everybody hand and tell don't send money to Nigerian prince, don't play off shore casinos, don't take part of any online scam what internet is full off.

People will learn they lesson when they don't get paid their winnings like in other internet scams which are quite many out there. Many just choose to play there as don't have any other places due to their self-exclusion or they want to make bonus buys etc.... but don't really see it that big problem that public money should be spent to spread awareness.
 

danofthewibble

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But this is exactly what government should be doing; protecting the people.

We've had advertising campaigns before showing people how to recognise a licensed online pharmacy - the seal works the same way as the UKGC seal. But you only know about it if you know about it.
 

brianmon

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Which kind of budget organization like UKGC would be happy to throw to warn people not to do stupid things? Just my opinion but government can't really hold everybody hand and tell don't send money to Nigerian prince, don't play off shore casinos, don't take part of any online scam what internet is full off.

People will learn they lesson when they don't get paid their winnings like in other internet scams which are quite many out there. Many just choose to play there as don't have any other places due to their self-exclusion or they want to make bonus buys etc.... but don't really see it that big problem that public money should be spent to spread awareness.
There's actually quite a lot of advertising in the media from UK police, UK banks and the government, about scam emails and such like. So I could see that expanding to cover scam casinos. Especially from the banks, if they start getting more and more chargeback requests. Which it seems like they are doing now.
 

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But this is exactly what government should be doing; protecting the people.

We've had advertising campaigns before showing people how to recognise a licensed online pharmacy - the seal works the same way as the UKGC seal. But you only know about it if you know about it.

Or use two minutes to see where you are going to give your money before doing it. These are all our personal views but i just can't see government saving people not to get scammed. They could promote awareness that playing under UKGC everything is safe and regulated, but not sure how big difference some few adds would make in total amount of money spent offshore gambling.

Never lived in UK and don't really follow what everything is promoted there, but sounds just weird idea for me make "don't do idiotic things" adds for people. UKGC share information and awareness on their website, for me it would easily be enough that you can find information easily if you search, if you don't bother, maybe next time when you lost your money.
 

danofthewibble

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The problem is, the sites look legit. Some of them look better than licensed casinos.

The visual clues are if the site looks shoddy, don't trust it. But when they're spending money making excellent quality rip-offs of big names (Leo etc), then the casual player can easily be scammed. That's what they're preying on.

And again - if you don't know what to look for to trust a site, you're not going to look for it.
 

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People only get scammed because the UKGC has still not insisted that payment providers, using due diligence and a code including the legit UKGC license number, stop processing payments to illegal sites. Cut the blood supply, the parasite dies or moves on.
 

arw5533

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UK Gambling Commission do take details for Rogue sites. :thumbsup:

It'll impact the UK market so behind the scenes they probably are doing something as for what who knows.
I learnt the hard way and I won't be visiting anything till my Gamstop is up even then im not sure I want to after the shite ive put up with recently.

The sites seen recently will probably vanish, rebrand then have another session.
 

arw5533

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People only get scammed because the UKGC has still not insisted that payment providers, using due diligence and a code including the legit UKGC license number, stop processing payments to illegal sites. Cut the blood supply, the parasite dies or moves on.

Yeah but then a market of cheaper payment processors then see a gap in the market and the cycle carries on.
 

stringerbell

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Unfortunately, even the UKGC seal counts for very little.

BCasino springs to mind. Licence holder but rated "Rogue" on casinomeister. No chance they will lose their licence any time soon for all their confiscations and source of funds requests on £100 deposits, the UKGC are far too busy appearing to be tough on RG and AML
 

Roedgaard72

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Here's a thing. We know the UKGC can do nothing about rogue casinos. Not their jurisdiction, not their laws.

What the government COULD do is heavily educate people. Take a pause from tightening the rules for the genuine and licensed sites. Start a nationwide advertising campaign online and on TV, radio and in the newspapers. Explain what to look for when you gamble online.

"Look for the Gambling Commission logo. Click it. We will tell you if the site is safe and you are protected."

The problem right now is the rogues are advertising at the most heavy rate I have seen in years; SMS and email spam is through the roof. And the UKGC is powerless to stop that. So they should be using their powers to educate the scammers out of the market.

You're only a mark if you don't know how to spot the scam.


Here's a thing. We know the UKGC can do nothing about rogue casinos. Not their jurisdiction, not their laws.

What the government COULD do is heavily educate people. Take a pause from tightening the rules for the genuine and licensed sites. Start a nationwide advertising campaign online and on TV, radio and in the newspapers. Explain what to look for when you gamble online.

"Look for the Gambling Commission logo. Click it. We will tell you if the site is safe and you are protected."

The problem right now is the rogues are advertising at the most heavy rate I have seen in years; SMS and email spam is through the roof. And the UKGC is powerless to stop that. So they should be using their powers to educate the scammers out of the market.

You're only a mark if you don't know how to spot the scam.

In Denmark they do not hesitate taking it to court, when they come accros illegal/scam casinos.
 

Casinomeister

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I missed this thread - I must have been in the desert, or someplace like that LOL

I am currently writing the awards for 2020 and here we have a topic that I am addressing - how nothing is being done, and how easy it would be to do something about this. No casino should be willing to take the spill-over from UK regulated casinos - the spill-over that identify themselves as problem gamblers.
 

shadow123

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With all due respect,not all players who end up being scammed at dodgy casinos will be problem gamblers trying to bypass
Gamstop restrictions to get a gambling fix.The over regulation in the UK is resulting in a pool of players who are fed up with all
the shit involved playing at legit UK casinos ie time limits, loss limits, KYC, SOW and constant monitoring of deposits and play
patterns,it doesnt make for a happy experience having to worry whether every deposit you make may trigger a freezing
or deposit block on the account.Personally I am sick to the back teeth of "protection" by the UKGC and the regs that make casinos so caring
about your welfare.
Some of the "legit" players are going to try elsewhere and sadly end up being scammed by rogue casinos,no matter how carefully
they research them before depositing but its a problem of the UKGC,s own making and there wouldnt be a debate about them
having to warn players if they hadnt gone so overboard on regs.
Regarding the protection of problem gamblers, there is very little that can be done to help them, they will always find a means
of gambling whatever safeguards and warnings are in place.

I have been online gambling since it first began and never had a single problem until the last couple of years,sure there
were dodgy outfits out there but they were easier to spot and if you did a bit of basic research you would not deposit with them
 
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